MR77: Cycle Four: Why Exe?

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

because as I was typing that up I started thinking that e!TUC has nothing to lose by making that claim. he was going to get exed. I don't think that it's unlikely that this was the best defense the elims could come up with

especially if e!TJ is now building on that story in thread

The mind games are making my head hurt...

 

Here's a vote count since I'm typing anyways:

TUC (3): Hoid, mint, coco

Grub (2): TJ, TUC

TJ (1): Grub

[The Unknown Character he/him]

2 hours ago, Mint11 said:

alright I'm pretty sick right now so can't really think as deeply as It'd like to on this

I came on to at least get my vote in by the end of the cycle. was going to go for TUC

however. I protected hoid from the kill last cycle. the elims know that a villager protected hoid, because they know that they tried to kill him (I don't buy that they didn't submit an NK, it'd be crazy not to). I don't know why e!TUC would lie about blocking grub when he knows a villager claiming protect would make his point moot

you know what, TUC. maybe he's trying to buy time and get an extra village lynch in, or maybe the elims were hoping that if no one had come forward this late in the cycle, whoever saved hoid wouldn't speak up

If you don't know why I would lie, maybe it's because I'm telling the truth

Your protect is an explanation though. Considering it's the best lead we have though, I'm keeping my vote on Grub

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Guys did we all just forget the Coder / TUC / Illwei scandal? Hello???

3 hours ago, Mint11 said:

v!TUC could have blocked grub. my confusion was more around why an e!TUC would block grub (or claim to) when he knows a villager used an action to stop the NK and can contradict him

It’s really not that complicated

There are two elims left

One elim (let’s call them Kira) submitted the NK on me, hoping no one would protect me. The other elim (TUC) used a key to block Grub’s action in the hopes that if someone did try to protect me, it was Grub.

There is LOADS of reason for e!TUC to roleblock a villager, and then claim it (which is, indeed, seeming to give him village cred though I cannot fathom why).

What I see is an elim TUC who knows he’s getting exed this cycle or the next and is pulling all the stops to get a villager misexed before that

C’mon people

[Mint11 she/her]

3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Guys did we all just forget the Coder / TUC / Illwei scandal? Hello???

It’s really not that complicated

There are two elims left

One elim (let’s call them Kira) submitted the NK on me, hoping no one would protect me. The other elim (TUC) used a key to block Grub’s action in the hopes that if someone did try to protect me, it was Grub.

There is LOADS of reason for e!TUC to roleblock a villager, and then claim it (which is, indeed, seeming to give him village cred though I cannot fathom why).

What I see is an elim TUC who knows he’s getting exed this cycle or the next and is pulling all the stops to get a villager misexed before that

C’mon people

yeah good points

@Ascended Grubberfly @Stardust@Through the Living Hopper would any of you be willing to vote on TUC? I'm worried about elims manipulating votes with the VC so close

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

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Alright, some other things

14 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

I can (finally) give favor this cycle.

I think the next most likely elim is probably TUC? That whole thing with Coder and Illwei looks pretty bad now that we know Coder was elim.

I also think we can clear Hoid pretty solidly. Unless he was hard bussing for some reason (which really doesn’t make sense atp in the game) he just outed an elim and that clears him in my eyes. 

I’m liking Coco, especially if Coco saved me last cycle, Coco good

Grub also good

Mint good

4 hours ago, Stardust said:

 

Well, I guess now I actually do have the time to respond to this. 

Well I'm not exactly sure what to say, honestly.

Coder's response was super suspicious, and that's why I voted him last cycle. To be honest, something felt off about that whole conversation with Hoid and Coder, but considering that Coder was Elim I'm going to ignore that for now. 

Based on what we are discussing right now (the idea that the elims didn't NK anyone because it just narrows down the pool for us to find them) I find Grub's statement in C1 suspicious. Obviously I can't read too much into it, but I think that it is something of note. 

I haven't really got a read on Mint yet... I'm currently reading the Cycles again to check. 
Coco, I have a slight e! lean, but nothing difinitive. 

TJ and hopper have both been largely inactive, like myself, so I haven't really gotten anything on them. 

TUC I feel like is more of a village lean, but something feels off, and I can't quite say what. 

Sorry guys, that's all I really have right now. 

If anyone has any questions for me, I will answer any and all, I do not care. Feel free to ask away! 

 

I don’t love Star’s wobblyness, I thought we all had the TUC talk last cycle and I can understand falling for e!Grub but saying of TUC “village lean, but something feels off, and I can’t quite say what” seriously???

4 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I can give Favor today, and I say TUC is clear. He actually spent a key, which is not something I think an elim would do, especially since there is Backbreaker Poison expertise somewhere. This is why I think we have inactive elims, because TUC’s poison hit me and there was no nk.

Hoid and TUC we should trust.

Mint and coco I think are villiage because of the nk thing. This is NOT a read based solely on activity, we have the missed nk here as well.

Hopper, Star, and TJ are all inactive and could have missed the nk.

Again, I explained above why an elim would 100% use a key here

2 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Correct. I got a message that I was affected by backbreaker poison despite not having an action. Just as a halfshard can be used if the target won't be killed, poison can be used on anyone despite action status.

Okay wait pause

Something does feel fishy about this

@Archer can you just come in and clarify a rule real quick

Is someone notified when they are roleblocked, and if so, are they notified even if they didn’t take an action to block?

Wait nvm Archer ignore me

Or actually Archer answer at your discretion

[The Unknown Character he/him]

11 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Guys did we all just forget the Coder / TUC / Illwei scandal? Hello???

Dude, that was in no way a guarantee of me being an elim

All of the weirdness in the description was with Coder according to Illwei. We had pretty much cleared it up before Illwei died too, like, it will be insane if I'm exed literally only because I answered an elim's question in a PM

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

4 hours ago, |TJ| said:

What's the logic behind this? Can't the elims block the ones claiming to give favor? (sorry, poor on mech because of how less active I've been)

Bonus actions can’t be blocked

And on that note, @The Unknown Character, @coco.pudding, @Ascended Grubberfly, can you all confirm you will give Favour this turn?

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

11 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Bonus actions can’t be blocked

And on that note, @The Unknown Character, @coco.pudding, @Ascended Grubberfly, can you all confirm you will give Favour this turn?

I can confirm I am providing favor.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I can confirm I am providing favor.

Thank you

39 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

Dude, that was in no way a guarantee of me being an elim

All of the weirdness in the description was with Coder according to Illwei. We had pretty much cleared it up before Illwei died too, like, it will be insane if I'm exed literally only because I answered an elim's question in a PM

Dude, I know that

But I do think it’s enough to make you the primary suspect over everyone else, and the main point of what I said was that nothing you’ve said this cycle should be used to give you any village cred

[coco.pudding she/they]

44 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Bonus actions can’t be blocked

And on that note, @The Unknown Character, @coco.pudding, @Ascended Grubberfly, can you all confirm you will give Favour this turn?

Yes, I will give favor this turn 

[Mint11 she/her]

48 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Is someone notified when they are roleblocked, and if so, are they notified even if they didn’t take an action to block?

based on my read of the rules, I don't see why they wouldn't be. it's not that they're getting notified "your specific action didn't take effect". its that the blocker's action pretty much sends the message "I blocked you"

46 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

We had pretty much cleared it up before Illwei died too, like, it will be insane if I'm exed literally only because I answered an elim's question in a PM

it wasn't cleared up though. illwei dropped it in favor of focusing on other things, but you never responded to their last in-thread message about it

[Archer he/him]

50 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

 

@Archer can you just come in and clarify a rule real quick

Is someone notified when they are roleblocked, and if so, are they notified even if they didn’t take an action to block?

Mint is correct that if information is provided in this game, it's explicitly mentioned in the rules. Regardless of effectiveness, without Expertise, using Backbreaker Poison on someone informs them they've been targeted with poison. Someone who didn't take an Action would still be informed. 

Votes

TUC (3): Hoid, Mint, Coco

Grub (2): TJ, TUC

TJ (1): Grub

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Yes, I will give favor this turn 

Thank you

6 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

based on my read of the rules, I don't see why they wouldn't be. it's not that they're getting notified "your specific action didn't take effect". its that the blocker's action pretty much sends the message "I blocked you"

Yeah I had forgotten a piece of the rules don’t mind me

Just now, Archer said:

Mint is correct that if information is provided in this game, it's explicitly mentioned in the rules. Regardless of effectiveness, without Expertise, using Backbreaker Poison on someone informs them they've been targeted with poison. Someone who didn't take an Action would still be informed. 

Votes

TUC (3): Hoid, Mint, Coco

Grub (2): TJ, TUC

TJ (1): Grub

Archer I love you