MR77: Cycle One: Diamonds

[|TJ| he/him]

Hallooo, i'm actually on a trip away from home where phone signal is weak so my participation is limited but i'll be back tomorrow!

[Illwei]

18 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Bye bye!

Alright can I get anyone to bite on this Qian train, or yet another counter train?

I don't want to exe TUO for actually trying to coordinate, but I don't love the other options of TJ or Illwei either - TJ cause he hasn't even posted, and Illwei cause I don't think we should be eliminating our most vocal figure this early in the game

I want to clarify that I am not on TUO because he "wants to coordinate"

Its the fact that he wants to voice opinions on mech without breaking them down, posted a summary of people without any opinions, and saw my post about coordination seeming to be pointless to harmful as the whole thread thinking it was wrong. It was the idea in his head that since I (and Hoid) had talked somewhat negatively about coordination, everyone was talking about it. 

The only way though for this to be a solid elim lean would be his being teamed with either hoid or ascend. Because that is the only reason that he would be suspicious at all for ignoring their comments in thread. 

Anyways.

[Mystic He/Him]

37 minutes ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

Same.

I'm probably not going to be on a ton these next two days (actually, probably not at all tomorrow), so @Mystic, keep me alive.

From what I've seen so far, this discussion is good. Once I have enough time, I'll go through it and get some reads.

1 breathed the salty sea air. He liked it here. He liked it in all of the places (except for that one on Threnody). It was too bad someone had to die each time.

What? Why me?

Anyways, I personally don’t like the train on TUC. Especially given that both Qian and Grub are on it.

(I’m leaning village on Illwei, and it would be super weird if all three of them are Elim.)

3 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Wdym? Have I not posted enough?

Hmm? Oh, your amount is fine. I don’t care for your number of posts. The problem was that Grub called you active - 4 posts is not the number I would call that at, especially since he called me inactive, when I had over 4 times your post count at the time.(edit: the actual numbers like 3 times)

It’s just not something I liked. I had other issues as well. And I can’t go after Grub right now, so I may as well get you. (Edit: plus if you flip Elim that, to me, suggests I’m on the right track)

1 hour ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

This feels like fearmongering. Could be wrong, but right after your post I asked who can get treasure, to which no one responded. Item coordination never seemed to be the topic of discussion, so unless you are reading into things more than me you are using the threat of a rebuke to make me think we're on the same team. Plus, it benefits the thief if someone else has the Shardblade, as they can just steal it on a later cycle.

Edit: The first half of the post didn't save, so @Mystic I apparantly just overlooked your posts, my bad. I think my guesses have been influenced by who I've interacted with. Illwei said something on page two about how elims sometimes post but don't contribute to seem like they are helping but aren't. So I have no guess for Myst.

….

What?

I know I have nothing on the first page, and half the second, but literally after that I’m all over the place.

I highly doubt you missed that. That does not seem likely 

Edited yesterday at 04:08 PM by Mystic

[Qianweilian He/him]

10 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Anyways, I personally don’t like the train on TUC. Especially given that both Qian and Grub are on it.

I'm mostly on it for self preservation. If a good counter train shows up, I'd be open to jumping off it.

10 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Hmm? Oh, your amount is fine. I don’t care for your number of posts. The problem was that Grub called you active - 4 posts is not the number I would call that at, especially since he called me inactive, when I had over 4 times your post count at the time.(edit: the actual numbers like 3 times)

Oh, yeah that makes sense. You're right, that is odd.

Edit: Has the shard been painstakingly slow for anyone else today?

Edited yesterday at 04:17 PM by Qianweilian
spag

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Mystic said:

….

What?

I know I have nothing on the first page, and half the second, but literally after that I’m all over the place.

I highly doubt you missed that. That does not seem likely 

Missed it/wasn't involved in it. Just didn't stick in my brain. The Illwein and Hoid I've interacted with, so they stick in my brain. Some of my other reads were probably just been me piggybacking. There's probably a reason why I remember Qianweilian, but its unrelated to this so I will answer when asked but thats a tangent.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

11 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I'm mostly on it for self preservation. If a good counter train shows up, I'd be open to jumping off it.

Start it

11 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Edit: Has the shard been painstakingly slow for anyone else today?

Yes it has but I thought that was just my internet

[Illwei]

18 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Bye bye!

Alright can I get anyone to bite on this Qian train, or yet another counter train?

I don't want to exe TUO for actually trying to coordinate, but I don't love the other options of TJ or Illwei either - TJ cause he hasn't even posted, and Illwei cause I don't think we should be eliminating our most vocal figure this early in the game

I want to clarify that I am not on TUO because he "wants to coordinate"

Its the fact that he wants to voice opinions on mech without breaking them down, posted a summary of people without any opinions, and saw my post about coordination seeming to be pointless to harmful as the whole thread thinking it was wrong. It was the idea in his head that since I (and Hoid) had talked somewhat negatively about coordination, everyone was talking about it. 

The only way though for this to be a solid elim lean would be his being teamed with either hoid or ascend. Because that is the only reason that he would be suspicious at all for ignoring their comments in thread. 

Anyways.

[|TJ| he/him]

okay so just blazed through the thread -  pages 1-2 a bit more thoroughly

gut myst village.

vote is on wahr

i did not like their reaction to illwei's vote on qian. i thought the reasoning was quite obvious that qian sounded a little defensive for a poke vote. even if illwei's vote was a 'poke', there is nothing suspicious about a 2-length poke-vote train early game at all. 

also, historically, whenever tuc has come out of the gate swinging making strong statements, he has been village. evil tuc tends to lay low, i think. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I want to clarify that I am not on TUO because he "wants to coordinate"

Its the fact that he wants to voice opinions on mech without breaking them down, posted a summary of people without any opinions, and saw my post about coordination seeming to be pointless to harmful as the whole thread thinking it was wrong. It was the idea in his head that since I (and Hoid) had talked somewhat negatively about coordination, everyone was talking about it. 

The only way though for this to be a solid elim lean would be his being teamed with either hoid or ascend. Because that is the only reason that he would be suspicious at all for ignoring their comments in thread. 

Anyways.

Did you just post the same thing twice or is my computer glitching out?

[Qianweilian He/him]

3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Start it

I tried a bit with Myst but it didn't pan out. Maybe I'll do some more analysis and look for candidates.

3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Yes it has but I thought that was just my internet

My Internet has been just fine, except for the Shard.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

okay so just blazed through the thread -  pages 1-2 a bit more thoroughly

gut myst village.

vote is on wahr

i did not like their reaction to illwei's vote on qian. i thought the reasoning was quite obvious that qian sounded a little defensive for a poke vote. even if illwei's vote was a 'poke', there is nothing suspicious about a 2-length poke-vote train early game at all. 

also, historically, whenever tuc has come out of the gate swinging making strong statements, he has been village. evil tuc tends to lay low, i think. 

Hiya TJ

I actually agree with you on TUC, and was gonna say that I feel like he always sees somewhat suspicious

On a similar note, I felt like Hopper's one post was almost too cheerful, but anyways

We need to get on the same page about this exe

People I feel comfortable exeing due to activity:

Coder, Qian, Myst, Mint, Wahr, Illwei, TUC, Grub

Alert me if I'm forgetting someone

Of those, people I don't want to exe for external reasons:

Grub (newbie), Illwei (main thread controller, we don't want to lose all of those)

Qian (somewhat) (says he's been exed a lot) (well but if it was his last village game not even his last game... bro's lucky he even got to be elim recently ykw I don't feel bad for him anymore)

That leaves our exe candidates:

Coder, Qian, Myst, Mint, Wahr, TUC

I've said I v!read TUC. I have blank reads on Myst and Coder, they both seem friendly and natural enough but hard to read

Mint I can't think anything of so far I legit can't remember a thing they've said so far off the top of my head

I propose we try and tie Qian and Wahr

Any takers?

[Mystic He/Him]

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Hiya TJ

I actually agree with you on TUC, and was gonna say that I feel like he always sees somewhat suspicious

On a similar note, I felt like Hopper's one post was almost too cheerful, but anyways

We need to get on the same page about this exe

People I feel comfortable exeing due to activity:

Coder, Qian, Myst, Mint, Wahr, Illwei, TUC, Grub

Alert me if I'm forgetting someone

Of those, people I don't want to exe for external reasons:

Grub (newbie), Illwei (main thread controller, we don't want to lose all of those)

Qian (somewhat) (says he's been exed a lot) (well but if it was his last village game not even his last game... bro's lucky he even got to be elim recently ykw I don't feel bad for him anymore)

That leaves our exe candidates:

Coder, Qian, Myst, Mint, Wahr, TUC

I've said I v!read TUC. I have blank reads on Myst and Coder, they both seem friendly and natural enough but hard to read

Mint I can't think anything of so far I legit can't remember a thing they've said so far off the top of my head

I propose we try and tie Qian and Wahr

Any takers?

I’m still confused by Hopper’s post. I’m leaning TUC as village, more so with how both Qian and Grub are on him.

Agreed that Illwei should not be exed

As for tying the two, my votes already on Qian, so… ask someone else I guess? Not really much I can do.

I’m currently not reading Wahr as anything.

One thing I would like to note though is that with a thief ( @Archer can you confirm whether we have one? The part in the write-up about PMs happening until one gets exed seems to suggest that but it’s not clear), someone acting weird may not be E!indicative.

I don’t actually know how to play with/around a neutral role. The only time I ever played with one was Hoid’s conversion where Archer and I got killed C1 and only managed to not lose by converting Doc

 

[Qianweilian He/him]

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

vote is on wahr

i did not like their reaction to illwei's vote on qian. i thought the reasoning was quite obvious that qian sounded a little defensive for a poke vote. even if illwei's vote was a 'poke', there is nothing suspicious about a 2-length poke-vote train early game at all. 

Actually, looking back at that, I can kinda see what you're going at with Wahr. I'm still not convinced though.

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Qian (somewhat) (says he's been exed a lot) (well but if it was his last village game not even his last game... bro's lucky he even got to be elim recently ykw I don't feel bad for him anymore)

I'm assuming it's been a while since you were last elim?

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I propose we try and tie Qian and Wahr

Any takers?

I don't really want to get a 50/50 chance to die... I'll pass for now.

5 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Agreed that Illwei should not be exed

At least not this cycle, yeah.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

That being said, I don't really have any real e!reads.

3 minutes ago, Mystic said:

I’m still confused by Hopper’s post. I’m leaning TUC as village, more so with how both Qian and Grub are on him.

Agreed that Illwei should not be exed

As for tying the two, my votes already on Qian, so… ask someone else I guess? Not really much I can do.

I’m currently not reading Wahr as anything.

One thing I would like to note though is that with a thief ( @Archer can you confirm whether we have one? The part in the write-up about PMs happening until one gets exed seems to suggest that but it’s not clear), someone acting weird may not be E!indicative.

I don’t actually know how to play with/around a neutral role. The only time I ever played with one was Hoid’s conversion where Archer and I got killed C1 and only managed to not lose by converting Doc

 

Ok so actually what I don't like (but don't actually think is e!indicitive) is that you are going after grub and qian because... what?

1 hour ago, Mystic said:

What? Why me?

Anyways, I personally don’t like the train on TUC. Especially given that both Qian and Grub are on it.

(I’m leaning village on Illwei, and it would be super weird if all three of them are Elim.)

Hmm? Oh, your amount is fine. I don’t care for your number of posts. The problem was that Grub called you active - 4 posts is not the number I would call that at, especially since he called me inactive, when I had over 4 times your post count at the time.(edit: the actual numbers like 3 times)

It’s just not something I liked. I had other issues as well. And I can’t go after Grub right now, so I may as well get you. (Edit: plus if you flip Elim that, to me, suggests I’m on the right track)

….

What?

I know I have nothing on the first page, and half the second, but literally after that I’m all over the place.

I highly doubt you missed that. That does not seem likely 

Grub called Qian active and you inactive when you had more posts than him.

I think that's just Grub messing up, and I don't like that a real e!read is forming on someone because grub said something not really correct about you and someone else.

I don't understand how your thought process went "Newbie messed up" too "So newbie and person the newbie was talking about must be elim"

If there is more to your theory, I would love to hear it, but I just don't see it right now.

[Mystic He/Him]

3 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

That being said, I don't really have any real e!reads.

Ok so actually what I don't like (but don't actually think is e!indicitive) is that you are going after grub and qian because... what?

Grub called Qian active and you inactive when you had more posts than him.

I think that's just Grub messing up, and I don't like that a real e!read is forming on someone because grub said something not really correct about you and someone else.

I don't understand how your thought process went "Newbie messed up" too "So newbie and person the newbie was talking about must be elim"

If there is more to your theory, I would love to hear it, but I just don't see it right now.

The majority is just that one post about his reads. I don’t buy his reason for the slip up. And there definitely is a part of me that was slightly annoyed, but I’m reasonably confident I’m being mostly rational.

As for the part of Qian being elim, that’s just me assuming that an Elim would try to v!read another Elim. Plus I don’t like how Qian’s situated in the post.

Plus there’s the assumption he made that inactivity = Elim and activity = village

But yes, I might be tunneling a bit. It’s a fault of mine(just ask Coco)

[Wahrheitswächter He/Him]

Sorry that I didnt check in earlier, I know i havent been the most active this Cycle, life happens. So I see there are already attempts to get me exed C1, so far so normal, but its not a danger right now. I dont like the exe on TUC.

My gut says that Qian feels Village to me. I dont know how I feel about TJ, but I really dont like Hoid proposing a Tie between Me and Qian, I dont want RNG to decide my Fate again.

So I will move my Vote from Illwei to Hoid 

@Qianweilian wanna join?

 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

18 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I'm assuming it's been a while since you were last elim?

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

The last time I was elim was the Andor quick fix, which I believe was coincidentally Myst’s first game

Also, guys, I would really talk more, but the Shard is so excruciatingly slow for me right now that I really can’t

Also I don’t know what to say

And I’m lazy

2 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

Sorry that I didnt check in earlier, I know i havent been the most active this Cycle, life happens. So I see there are already attempts to get me exed C1, so far so normal, but its not a danger right now. I dont like the exe on TUC.

My gut says that Qian feels Village to me. I dont know how I feel about TJ, but I really dont like Hoid proposing a Tie between Me and Qian, I dont want RNG to decide my Fate again.

So I will move my Vote from Illwei to Hoid 

@Qianweilian wanna join?

 

Well that’s mean

@CoderDrag0n8 you wanna help out here by voting Wahr?

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

9 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Plus there’s the assumption he made that inactivity = Elim and activity = village

In retrospect, it sounded like that, but those reads were based of things people said earlier. @Illwei mentioned that sometimes Elam’s will post but not contribute, and TUC I have my own thoughts on for other reasons. 

[Archer he/him]

General reminder to include myself and Araris in PMs, and the prefix MR77. 

@The Unknown Character Enmity is 1 right now. 

@Mystic I have no comment on the presence of the Thief alignment in this game. 

new new VC

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Wahr (1): TJ

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (2): Mint, Wahr

[Mystic He/Him]

2 hours ago, Archer said:

General reminder to include myself and Araris in PMs, and the prefix MR77. 

@The Unknown Character Enmity is 1 right now. 

@Mystic I have no comment on the presence of the Thief alignment in this game. 

new new VC

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Wahr (1): TJ

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (2): Mint, Wahr

So we don’t even know if one exists????

I suppose that could mean we just get PMs… I think the fact that we have PMs suggests we do?

Either way that’s annoying, we honestly could just have no idea until either the game ends. Or a thief just wins, or until then I suppose.

Aside from losing PMs if we exe them, is there anything we need to be worried about from them?

[Qianweilian He/him]

2 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

Sorry that I didnt check in earlier, I know i havent been the most active this Cycle, life happens.

Don't remind me of the craziness I have tomorrow...

2 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

So I will move my Vote from Illwei to Hoid 

@Qianweilian wanna join?

I'm still leaning Hoid as a village, so I'm going to sit on TUC for now.

2 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Also, guys, I would really talk more, but the Shard is so excruciatingly slow for me right now that I really can’t

I don't think that it's a you problem. I think something is weird with their servers.

2 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

In retrospect, it sounded like that, but those reads were based of things people said earlier.

Yeah, those reads were because of what people said, not activity. I've seen an elim team miss a nk because it was inactive and not communicating.

6 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Aside from losing PMs if we exe them, is there anything we need to be worried about from them?

I mean, some of the rare items would definitely not be fun to get stolen, especially the axies agreement. But other than that, I don't believe so.

[Mystic He/Him]

45 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Yeah, those reads were because of what people said, not activity. I've seen an elim team miss a nk because it was inactive and not communicating.

51 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Once it got into the inactive people, then yes, it did, but before that, it was just active = good, inactive = bad.

The inconsistency was part of what I didn’t like

46 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I mean, some of the rare items would definitely not be fun to get stolen, especially the axies agreement. But other than that, I don't believe so.

We could ask nicely maybe? I don’t think it matters to the thief what rare items they have, just that they have 5 of them. So we could just ask them not to or something if there’s a different rare item.

Also, regarding the agreements, don’t those make you lose ties? To my knowledge none of the other rare items have a downside like that.

[Illwei]

10 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

LIke other people said, a lot in this post rubs me the wrong way

I think what rubs me the wrong way about it is the sentence "because [coder is] busy"

Like, he (edit: coder) just popped on and said nothing of the sort, so where are you (edit: grubby) getting that ?

Edited 20 hours ago by Illwei

[The Unknown Character he/him]

@Illwei since I'm responding generally

I don't know what more you want. I'm explained myself twice, and you haven't actually responded to my points

You're just repeating the same things you said when you first voted me. Your only new point is disliking my summary of player experience because... it didn't have reads? Like, what? It wasn't a reads list, it was a summary of player experience for people who aren't familiar with the player list/you and Grub.

You also said that you think we can't discuss coordination without first deciding on a type. That's just not true. We can include them in the discussion if you stop stonewalling saying that coordination gives the elims targets, which isn't even true because everyone is more or less equally powerful here. 

Since both you and Grub seem to want me to give a proposal, here it is. We should have Favor+1 or 2 people come forward every turn saying they can supply at least one favor. That will cover it without revealing people. They don't need to say how, just that they will. If favor isn't met, we have a suspect pool.

In fact, I'll come forward and say that I have a preexisting item that I can use to deal with the favor today.

[Illwei]

Which only works so far as no one else has submitted a favor action at T-2h

I'm just not a Mech fan. 

I have some wierd feelings all over the place, but just for safekeeping I'm gonna Wahr

Also TUO I don't really want anything out of you- I was clarifying my reasons not to get you to respond to them, but to respond to other people who are misrepresenting my points.