Ascended Grubberfly He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 I don't really have a read on people, but I think Hoid is probably fine. Unless he's just playing me. @CoderDrag0n8 Coder Whats up in CoderLand?
Cuendillar He/him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 51 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: Referencing something with “I’ve seen” when it happened like a week ago is crazy (don't mention the part where we also entirely forgot to submit a nk) 45 minutes ago, Illwei said: Anyways again, I don't think we should claim what we are trying to grab. I don't think it's explicitly harmful, but I also think we should grab items which give favor. Elims may try to grab those items as well so that they keep them away from the Merchants. I disagree. Receiving/not receiving an item could potentially become a very good source of information and analysis. It would also help us not waste favor. 31 minutes ago, Mystic said: That incredibly nerfs shardbearers and allows for the play of Elims self NKing in order to make it so we don’t get the benifit of exing them So, while I do think a missing nk could happen, I really doubt this will. It would require a very weird situation where someone is almost guaranteed to be exed, but not for a cycle. 23 minutes ago, Illwei said: There is likely 3 of them, since there is a thief. I wonder if it might be worth trying to team with the thief. Maybe later when there's fewer people involved. 8 minutes ago, Mystic said: I think you’d prefer me thinking that who I’m voting could be Elim over just throwing out a vote There's not much we can do this cycle other than test reactions and throw out votes. Anyway, just on vibes really, I'm leaning v! Hoid, v!Grub, e!Myst, and unsure about Illwei. 3 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said: @CoderDrag0n8 Coder Whats up in CoderLand? He's coding, obviously.
Ascended Grubberfly He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 1 minute ago, Qianweilian said: He's coding, obviously. Probably coding an ORV fangame, or something. All love Coder!
Illwei Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) @Ascended Grubberfly Are you able to pinpoint anything specific you like about hoid? 17 minutes ago, Mystic said: That’s a different playstyle than I’m used to, huh I typed out a whole paragraph, but, i think i'll just respond with: Haha. I get that a lot :P. ED1T: @Qianweilian can you talk about your read on Mystic at all? Edited July 3 by Illwei
Ascended Grubberfly He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Just now, Illwei said: @Ascended Grubberfly Are you able to pinpoint anything specific you like about hoid? Honestly, no. I don't know if he genuinely though no exe was good, or if he is trying to be goody goody with anyone. I suppose saying I have no reason to exe him is more accurate.
Cuendillar He/him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 3 minutes ago, Illwei said: @Qianweilian can you talk about your read on Mystic at all? So I have to go to bed and can't say a ton more, but I feel like he's trying too hard to push a certain image. Something feels off.
Illwei Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said: Honestly, no. I don't know if he genuinely though no exe was good, or if he is trying to be goody goody with anyone. I suppose saying I have no reason to exe him is more accurate. I think that was a thought I had as well - I have him and you unpartnered for this reason. I did think it could be a possibility of him trying to buddy up to you, or to try and sow a little discord. I do think you are village at the moment - you not trying to play the un-knowledgable newbie as you could have, and also attacking hoid in a way for agreeing with you is a good look for you. An Elim would be a little less happy to go after someone for copying them, instead most likely using it as an opportunity to get closer with them. @Qianweilian I would love to hear more about what image you feel he's trying to push when you've come back EDIT: when you've slept on it Edited July 3 by Illwei sounds better ngl
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 31 minutes ago, Illwei said: Huh, fura is in your sig, hoid? I have some SE people in there I think I asked him to be my Shardbuddy after we yapped together in a dead doc for like a 100 pages (spoiler - I had way too much free time on my hands, and every assumption I made was wrong) 33 minutes ago, Illwei said: Right now I am leaning Hoid as a Villager Well thank you I’m not sure I can say the same, to be honest Elims definitely want someone to control the thread but if I was in a different mood I’d be doing that too I was gonna get some PMs up tonight be I really am too tired, it’s been a long day See you all in the morning, when I will also have to figure out what the flip to do with my action
The Unknown Character he/him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, Illwei said: I'm going to just put the whole "do we kill" debate that always happens to bed. I'm not going to justify it right now, but for this game specifically. Ties are broken randomly. If people were to all agree - including ghostbloods - that we wouldn't vote? The tie of 13 votes would be broken, and someone would die- yet we would have no control over it. @Ascended Grubberfly @Hoid Slayer So Grub- if you were to abstain as a protest of voting someone out completely, you are saying a couple of things with that action (intended or not): 1) It matters not to you who does die, in a pool of 13. - This is pretty self-explanatory, since in a game like this voting is one of the only ways you have to solidly communicate and take action. Sure there are other actions, but eh. 2) You think other people can make better decisions than you. Someone is going do die regardless. - Regardless of your assumptions or feelings, if you are a Merchant, then in your eyes there is only one confirmed Merchant - Yourself. - You not voting means that the vote is comprised of only those who you do not know the alignment of for certain. - Therefore not voting implies that you are okay with the Ghostbloods being the deciding voice in the Exe. -- @Qianweilian If I'm honest it's because you asked why you were being voted on. If I'm being dishonest? Then it's probably because I'm the only one allowed to have a "wei" in their name, or something. -- @The Unknown Character I don't see why coordinating actions is important. The only thing that should be said aloud in my mind is making sure that whoever has a (the?) letter of endorsement saves it. Also that people should obviously go for the Favourable Items when trying to grab new things from the ship. Again someone correct me if I am misinterpreting the rules here somehow. There are ways to replenish Favourable Items, and I don't see the need. Is it possible that somehow no one uses anything tonight? I suppose. But it's unlikely that we trigger the Rebuke this early and I find it unlikely that we would use up all favorable items doing so. I do believe that historically I clash a little with TUO, but I may be wrong about that. So forgive me if my vote of The Unknown Character Is at all premature. This is based on the fact that when looking through the thread he seems to come to the conclusion that "everyone" is talking about not to coordinate. In fact the only person to say that we shouldn't was me, and not a single person agreed with me as far as I can see. Hoid's first post was about how we might want to coordinate, and even in his response to me he didn't agree or disagree one way or another. A misinterpretation of the thread is not something worth voting on, but what is happening here is a higher fixation on someone who has posted twice rather than the rest of the thread. If anything, the thread is dominated by the "should we even have an exe" discussion, but instead he doesn't comment on that being the "crazy" part of thread. ED1T: Adding onto this: I forgot to mention that this also builds on his entrance into thread: Where he noted simply that he existed and would come back later. Check ins such as those are easy ways for Elims to feel like they are contributing to thread existing without having to say much. It's a way to keep promising more that they don't always follow up with. Vague negative read on Hoid for now simply because of how amiable he does seem to every comment. Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing? Not necessary to answer me, I just worry about pushing too hard on anyone that might make them shrink back when people are being mildly pretty vocal in thread so far. Hi Illwei, I missed you I just reread to check, there were definitely less people than I thought, but I interpreted Hoid as being anti-coordination, and no one was pro-coordination. That is also exactly the same as the number of people against the exe (Grub and kinda Hoid) I think we're both fixating, you just chose to fixate on something different so you inflated your fixation's importance mentally I chose not to engage with the exe discussion cause it always goes the same way and I wouldn't have been saying anything new I'm going to include a profile of what comes to mind for all the players at the bottom of this post 3 hours ago, Mystic said: Oh, he asked for someone else to get the treasure That means he’s not an officer. He then asked if there was someone who could get it. If he was Elim he’d (most likely*) have a teammate who’d have coached him better. Plus he probably would’ve had a teammate who could use it. To me there’s quite a few things that wouldn’t make sense if he was Elim. Plus this is his first game, so I’m discounting him trying for a derp clear Especially after last game, I don't think lack of coaching is a good reason to derp clear. Elim docs just be inactive sometimes. He also could have already decided to do something else with his action but still be an officer. It's unlikely but possible 2 hours ago, Mint11 said: we definitely need to kill someone. if we only ex someone when we're confident they're a ghostblood, that means we don't get much information this cycle. if we don't get much information, we won't be able to work out who's a ghostblood. it'll just be a never ending cycle. the lynch gives us too much information for us to give it up calculation for enmity is 1 + # exed Merchants - # exed Ghostbloods, so we can reasonably assume that the enmity for this cycle will be 1+1-0 = 2 we need at least two favor to counteract that, so yeah, I'd agree with using treasure if you can. as for coordination, there's a risk of elims strategizing the kill or the use of a painrial to get people to lose items, if they know who has what or who can do what. coordination via PMs can probably give us some fun mind games chaos though famous last words... @Stardust noticed you haven't chimed in yet. what are your thoughts on action coordination for the village? also hi @Illwei I think I've seen you around before? but I don't think we've played together? it's been a long time though, so I may have forgotten. but I'm not a new player, just a returning one Wouldn't it just be one this cycle? Cause no one is dead? @Archer? Or is it calculated after the exe for some reason? Player profile (this is just what comes to my head immediately, sorry if I forget something) 1. @Hoid Slayer as Y, an inexperienced sailor with a positive attitude and a secret. Nicknamed Hoid (or Slayerman ) has been around for a decent bit, knows what he's doing. 2. @Stardust Nicknamed Star, was Through the Living Star until recently. Pretty new but is getting into the swing of things. People don't seem to care as much these days, but Star is about at the point where we'd stop being worried about killing them early. 3. @The Unknown Character Incredible at the art of deduction, never an elim, and I hear he's devastatingly handsome In all seriousness, I'm probably less active than you (Illwei) would remember, though that might change after I leave for Fargo. 4. @Wahrheitswächter as Ralm the Thaylen Merchant, and Babsk of Essyn, bearing a mistspren, trinkets, and secrets. Pretty medium experience for this crew I think. And an excellent co-GM I should add 5. @coco.pudding as Essyn, a Thaylen apprentice looking to prove herself worthy of her family name (which is secret). A bit more experienced than Wahr (I think), and has scared me with her elim skills a few times. More likely to be an elim when she seems village than the other way around tbh 6. @Mystic as Fickle A bit less experienced than Wahr I think, pretty solid grasp of the game though 7. @Through the Living Hopper as 1. Hopper (formerly That One Worldhopper) is getting fairly experienced. He knows what's going on 8. @Ascended Grubberfly as Darak the Reshi returning home who secretly helped draft pre-written boasts. Brand new to SE, first game 9. @Mint11 as Shejun Returning player as you've noted, joins fairly inconsistently so has only been back for a handful of games 10. @Qianweilian Generally called Qian. A bit less experienced than Myst I think, just came off an elim game where they did will but not particularly notably so 11. @CoderDrag0n8 as X, the retired sailor brought along for his experience and his secret weapon. Normally called CD or Coder. Probably a few games past when we historically would have been worried about exing him early 12. @Illwei Illwei is a very experienced player, has been in and out of SE, but plays(played?) a lot on Mafia Universe, which is much more hard core than here, hence the intensity 13. @|TJ| Experienced player, has been around longer than me (my first game was run by him actually) This was nice, helped me sort out my own thoughts about everyone Edit: Very ninja'd but tbh I don't really have anything to say in response to any of that so see you in the morning Edited July 3 by The Unknown Character
Mystic He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 9 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said: A bit less experienced than Wahr I think, pretty solid grasp of the game though I’d like to be offended by this, but considering my previous games this is fair My second game is still probably my best one
Illwei Posted July 3 Posted July 3 11 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said: Illwei is a very experienced player, has been in and out of SE, but plays(played?) a lot on Mafia Universe, which is much more hard core than here, hence the intensity Haven't played anywhere for a while Also hey, I thought i was coming in soft !
The Unknown Character he/him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 3 minutes ago, Illwei said: Also hey, I thought i was coming in soft ! I mean For you
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Hi I'm back. Sorry, you know how it is when you look at your 200 notifications and you "can always read through them tomorrow" On 7/1/2026 at 7:50 PM, Hoid Slayer said: Y closed his eyes and allowed himself to be immersed in the rocking of the boat on the waves, the smell of the sea, the light spray tossed up by the wind onto his face. It was cleansing. He opened his eyes. They had anchored the Ishar's Blessing a ways out from the shore, only Pladel and her most trusted proceeding to the beach. The rowboat had just returned, and now the crew was preparing to move closer. It seemed they would camp on dry land. Y liked that, and not only because despite his incredible fortitude this last week, he did not yet feel the ocean had truly accepted him. No, there was more to it than that. The man he had come to kill was unlikely to hide behind the ocean spray. "Ho, Y!" Y turned to see X waving from another rowboat, this one carrying more supplies than people. "You said you wanted to come early?" Y rose an arm to wave back eagerly at the experienced sailor, and plastered on a cheerful smile. "I could use some land to kiss." The other man barked out a laugh, and Y strode over to join him. X kept talking as Y boarded, and continued as the vessel broke free of the Blessing's shadow, not realizing Y's gaze was fixed firmly on the sand - and beyond it, the cliffs and hills - that rapidly approached. Patience, father. ... So, hey guys, remember how I said I read the rules Yeah... I forgot them already Okay quick review I think we need to keep in mind going into this game it's unique nature And by that, I mean wincons My first SE game was MR 72. I don't know how many of you will (or even can) remember it, but it had an element that was somewhat similar to this: each player had a breath, and each cycle, we had to ensure a breath was given up to a Returned. Two failures to give breath would result in a village loss. What we ended up doing was coordinating so two people gave up their breath every cycle, holding them accountable without risking too much. My first thought was that we could do something like that with the Favour in this game However, considering how central an element it is in this game and how monitoring it entirely would take away a lot of the fun and mystery from this, I'm not even sure if I support my own idea here I'm just putting it on the table Otherwise, I would like to lobby for a Qianweilian exe X was glad Y had come along. Ever since they first met, they formed a kinship because of their names. X and Y sounded like a match made in heaven. Either way, X was dead set on getting through this. The treasure on the other side was tantalizing, and he would do whatever he could to get it. Well, not whatever he could. X saw Y out of the corner of his eye, and smiled. 38 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said: I don't really have a read on people, but I think Hoid is probably fine. Unless he's just playing me. @CoderDrag0n8 Coder Whats up in CoderLand? Sorry guys 34 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: (don't mention the part where we also entirely forgot to submit a nk) I disagree. Receiving/not receiving an item could potentially become a very good source of information and analysis. It would also help us not waste favor. So, while I do think a missing nk could happen, I really doubt this will. It would require a very weird situation where someone is almost guaranteed to be exed, but not for a cycle. I wonder if it might be worth trying to team with the thief. Maybe later when there's fewer people involved. There's not much we can do this cycle other than test reactions and throw out votes. Anyway, just on vibes really, I'm leaning v! Hoid, v!Grub, e!Myst, and unsure about Illwei. He's coding, obviously. 30 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said: Probably coding an ORV fangame, or something. All love Coder! ORV fangame would be too much work T^T Too much unexplained stuff 13 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said: Hi Illwei, I missed you I just reread to check, there were definitely less people than I thought, but I interpreted Hoid as being anti-coordination, and no one was pro-coordination. That is also exactly the same as the number of people against the exe (Grub and kinda Hoid) I think we're both fixating, you just chose to fixate on something different so you inflated your fixation's importance mentally I chose not to engage with the exe discussion cause it always goes the same way and I wouldn't have been saying anything new I'm going to include a profile of what comes to mind for all the players at the bottom of this post Especially after last game, I don't think lack of coaching is a good reason to derp clear. Elim docs just be inactive sometimes. He also could have already decided to do something else with his action but still be an officer. It's unlikely but possible Wouldn't it just be one this cycle? Cause no one is dead? @Archer? Or is it calculated after the exe for some reason? Player profile (this is just what comes to my head immediately, sorry if I forget something) 1. @Hoid Slayer as Y, an inexperienced sailor with a positive attitude and a secret. Nicknamed Hoid (or Slayerman ) has been around for a decent bit, knows what he's doing. 2. @Stardust Nicknamed Star, was Through the Living Star until recently. Pretty new but is getting into the swing of things. People don't seem to care as much these days, but Star is about at the point where we'd stop being worried about killing them early. 3. @The Unknown Character Incredible at the art of deduction, never an elim, and I hear he's devastatingly handsome In all seriousness, I'm probably less active than you (Illwei) would remember, though that might change after I leave for Fargo. 4. @Wahrheitswächter as Ralm the Thaylen Merchant, and Babsk of Essyn, bearing a mistspren, trinkets, and secrets. Pretty medium experience for this crew I think. And an excellent co-GM I should add 5. @coco.pudding as Essyn, a Thaylen apprentice looking to prove herself worthy of her family name (which is secret). A bit more experienced than Wahr (I think), and has scared me with her elim skills a few times. More likely to be an elim when she seems village than the other way around tbh 6. @Mystic as Fickle A bit less experienced than Wahr I think, pretty solid grasp of the game though 7. @Through the Living Hopper as 1. Hopper (formerly That One Worldhopper) is getting fairly experienced. He knows what's going on 8. @Ascended Grubberfly as Darak the Reshi returning home who secretly helped draft pre-written boasts. Brand new to SE, first game 9. @Mint11 as Shejun Returning player as you've noted, joins fairly inconsistently so has only been back for a handful of games 10. @Qianweilian Generally called Qian. A bit less experienced than Myst I think, just came off an elim game where they did will but not particularly notably so 11. @CoderDrag0n8 as X, the retired sailor brought along for his experience and his secret weapon. Normally called CD or Coder. Probably a few games past when we historically would have been worried about exing him early 12. @Illwei Illwei is a very experienced player, has been in and out of SE, but plays(played?) a lot on Mafia Universe, which is much more hard core than here, hence the intensity 13. @|TJ| Experienced player, has been around longer than me (my first game was run by him actually) This was nice, helped me sort out my own thoughts about everyone Edit: Very ninja'd but tbh I don't really have anything to say in response to any of that so see you in the morning Also I am usually RP heavy.
The Unknown Character he/him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: Hi I'm back. Sorry, you know how it is when you look at your 200 notifications and you "can always read through them tomorrow" X was glad Y had come along. Ever since they first met, they formed a kinship because of their names. X and Y sounded like a match made in heaven. Either way, X was dead set on getting through this. The treasure on the other side was tantalizing, and he would do whatever he could to get it. Well, not whatever he could. X saw Y out of the corner of his eye, and smiled. Sorry guys ORV fangame would be too much work T^T Too much unexplained stuff Also I am usually RP heavy. Ah I remember the hundreds of notifications days, back when I did things other than SE and didn't wrestle all day Yeah, I considered mentioning that, but deciding not to
Illwei Posted July 3 Posted July 3 18 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: I’m not sure I can say the same, to be honest Elims definitely want someone to control the thread but if I was in a different mood I’d be doing that too Your read on me seems to be that I am likely an Elim in your eyes, because I am theoretically controlling the thread? Just clarifying. @tuo thoughts on people so far in thread? Sp. Mystic/Grub/Hoid. I'd also like to counter that I wasn't fixating on the lack of Exe discussion, since about 4 people chimed in to talk about that one through about 6-7 messages, and was a direct topic previous to your post. Therefore it wasn't a fixation, just the current topic. Hence my comparing your comment of "everyone" to it. I digress
Ascended Grubberfly He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Alright, final thought before I go to bed. Again, because it didn't save. Hoid, Qianweilian, and Illwei are all active and contributing. I don't think they're elim unless Illwie is pulling a "talk and sound smart and villiagers listen" strategy, but this may not be the best audience for that strat. Mystic and TUC are both inactive and not doing much. I'm leaning elim on them because Mystic seems to be inconspicuous, and TUC's thing about coordinating actions doesnt make much sense. No one said anything against the idea iirc, and if elims knew what actions people took they could counter and cause a Rebuke if we aren't careful. He could also be thief, trying to get the Shardblade out of the hold and into play to work on their win con. 3 hours ago, Illwei said: @The Unknown Character I don't see why coordinating actions is important. The only thing that should be said aloud in my mind is making sure that whoever has a (the?) letter of endorsement saves it. Also that people should obviously go for the Favourable Items when trying to grab new things from the ship. Again someone correct me if I am misinterpreting the rules here somehow. There are ways to replenish Favourable Items, and I don't see the need. Is it possible that somehow no one uses anything tonight? I suppose. But it's unlikely that we trigger the Rebuke this early and I find it unlikely that we would use up all favorable items doing so. I do believe that historically I clash a little with TUO, but I may be wrong about that. So forgive me if my vote of The Unknown Character Is at all premature. Quote Everyone saying not to coordinate is crazy to me. Sure, we probably don't this turn (if you're a Officer, you should probably go for a key and use the Treasure option), but why we would leave our lose condition up to fate? I'm really sad there isn't a Shardblade, I came up with a whole plan for a reaction test while reading the rules. I call dibs if it does show up though This is based on the fact that when looking through the thread he seems to come to the conclusion that "everyone" is talking about not to coordinate. In fact the only person to say that we shouldn't was me, and not a single person agreed with me as far as I can see. Hoid's first post was about how we might want to coordinate, and even in his response to me he didn't agree or disagree one way or another. A misinterpretation of the thread is not something worth voting on, but what is happening here is a higher fixation on someone who has posted twice rather than the rest of the thread. If anything, the thread is dominated by the "should we even have an exe" discussion, but instead he doesn't comment on that being the "crazy" part of thread. ED1T: Adding onto this: I forgot to mention that this also builds on his entrance into thread: Where he noted simply that he existed and would come back later. Check ins such as those are easy ways for Elims to feel like they are contributing to thread existing without having to say much. It's a way to keep promising more that they don't always follow up with. Vague negative read on Hoid for now simply because of how amiable he does seem to every comment. Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing? Not necessary to answer me, I just worry about pushing too hard on anyone that might make them shrink back when people are being mildly pretty vocal in thread so far. I agree with this^. Just feels weird. Coder posted as I was writing this, so I have no thoughts on him. Star is MIA, so lets hope she comes back soon. Wahr seemed a bit exe hungry, is that out of the ordinary? Coco hasn't said much, |TJ| hasn't posted, and all I have on Mint11 is that did seem like they wanted someone exed. But again, I don't know if that is unusual. Hopper poked TJ, but nothing has happened with that. So, Coder since he's busy and can't respond to the poke, and The Unknown Character. Less a poke, and more I think he's elim leaning.
Mystic He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Y’all’s reads are interesting, and somewhat similar(parts of it at least IMO) so I don’t like that. Seems like bandwagoning. Not saying everyone is. But it wouldn’t surprise me if someone is. Gimme a sec to try and figure out the vc … Okay that did not help, Anyways, I surprisingly want to vote Grub. He’s doing the exact same thing Archer was doing back in Hoid’s conversion game. But newbie status says no. As such, I go to people he’s been reading village. Qian Honestly I feel like I have lots of problems with the reads he(grub) just posted.
Illwei Posted July 3 Posted July 3 10 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said: Hoid, Qianweilian, and Illwei are all active and contributing. I don't think they're elim unless Illwie is pulling a "talk and sound smart and villiagers listen" strategy, but this may not be the best audience for that strat. everything about this sentence- ED1T: @Mystic Are you able to identify what specifically you don't like about his reads? Can you also talk about how Elim!PersonA reading PersonB Village would make PersonB an Elim?
The Unknown Character he/him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 19 minutes ago, Illwei said: tuo thoughts on people so far in thread? Sp. Mystic/Grub/Hoid. Not many. I don't like Grub's post which I'm about to respond to, but it could just be newbie sheeping the high actives. You may recall that I'm not great at early suspicions. I'm better than I used to be, but I'm still not going to have much at this level of activity after half a cycle 13 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said: Alright, final thought before I go to bed. Again, because it didn't save. Hoid, Qianweilian, and Illwei are all active and contributing. I don't think they're elim unless Illwie is pulling a "talk and sound smart and villiagers listen" strategy, but this may not be the best audience for that strat. Mystic and TUC are both inactive and not doing much. I'm leaning elim on them because Mystic seems to be inconspicuous, and TUC's thing about coordinating actions doesnt make much sense. No one said anything against the idea iirc, and if elims knew what actions people took they could counter and cause a Rebuke if we aren't careful. He could also be thief, trying to get the Shardblade out of the hold and into play to work on their win con. I agree with this^. Just feels weird. Coder posted as I was writing this, so I have no thoughts on him. Star is MIA, so lets hope she comes back soon. Wahr seemed a bit exe hungry, is that out of the ordinary? Coco hasn't said much, |TJ| hasn't posted, and all I have on Mint11 is that did seem like they wanted someone exed. But again, I don't know if that is unusual. Hopper poked TJ, but nothing has happened with that. So, Coder since he's busy and can't respond to the poke, and The Unknown Character. Less a poke, and more I think he's elim leaning. This is crazy I'm the only person who is pro-coordination. Hoid is wishy-washy, leaned anti but seems to be leaning pro now. Illwei is anti, and you are too now. Meeting favor is the entire point of this game, are we going to leave it to random chance? To use Illwei's own argument against them, not coordinating favor is like not voting. You're leaving it either up to chance, or to the people who do coordinate. You're the only confirmed Villager, don't let potential elims decide the game for you. If we don't coordinate favor, there's two worlds. 1. Random chance leads to more players raising favor. We will run out eventually. Illwei seems to doubt this, but it was 100% a problem in the Rithmatist games that this is based on. Even if the supplies run out, action economy will. The favor will rise and the amount of players with actions will decrease to the point where random chance doesn't cut it anymore. We have to coordinate then 2. Random chance leads to not enough players raising favor. I doubt it will happen this cycle, and maybe not c2, but I think this is a real danger c3. If players already used their favor items and didn't grab more, or they're saving for later, we could not make it, especially with elim sabotage in play. If we coordinate, we can account for sabotage with numbers, account for sabotage by knowing everyone's actions, and account for sabotage by holding players accountable. If we don't coordinate, we're vulnerable to all three, and any one of them could lead to us missing the mark. I'm not advocating for coordinating this turn, we don't even need to mass coordinate next turn, but some people need to step forward every turn so there's accountability and a buffer for sabotage of all kinds. The Shardblade is probably the only Rare item the Thief wouldn't bet on. They don't win if they die, unlike villagers and elims. I should also note for the newer players, generally pokes are on players who haven't posted or only made "I'm here" posts. Hence "poking" the sleeping person.
Mystic He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 4 minutes ago, Illwei said: everything about this sentence- ED1T: @Mystic Are you able to identify what specifically you don't like about his reads? Can you also talk about how Elim!PersonA reading PersonB Village would make PersonB an Elim? Yeah, of course okay, just going in order. He’s lumping Qian in with you and Hoid, and remember my very first read skim? You two were the names that jumped out, I think Qian’s posted like 3-4 times, and so I first have problems with that. After that he says TUM and I are inactive. So aside from that I have more posts than he does inactivity does not say anything about alignment(it can if it suddenly changes without an irl reason but that doesn’t apply here). In fact I don’t like that he’s basically saying active = village and inactive = Elim. Because that’s literally what the reads are saying. Especially after he then goes through the people who have posted 1-2 times and says he has no read on them. Overall I don’t like the way he’s deciding who’s Elim, I don’t like that he seems to have slipped Qian into the active group. and I don’t like that he’s being inconsistent with inactive = Elim when it applies to everyone else. As for the part about me going to the people he’s was saying we’re village that’s just Elim Strat. You try to slip in someone Elim with someone people agree with to make them more likely to agree. Add that to the fact that I didn’t like what he was doing with Qian and that’s how I got there
Illwei Posted July 3 Posted July 3 @TUO While Coordinating favor may seem like it's the same as voting, it isn't. You can't compare them. Voting is an action that ends in a result of someone dying. People will die whether you vote or not. There is no way in this game for someone to change, cancel, or amplify your vote. Not using actions there is. People are able to change-amplify, null your action. This is why claiming actions or coordinating is more dangerous than just simply the idea of voting. This is a false relation between the two. Can you tell me what a proposed claiming situation would look like? Not everyone will have items that can amass Favour. Would you require all players claim their inventory? In the rithmatist game is also not the same just enough to not be a good example. In that game, we didn't know everyone was a rithmatist, but we did know that all rithmatists started with one chalk. That meant that through coordination we could be sure that defences were covered. Here we do not have the same thing. Not everyone can use all the ways to defend, and not everyone starts with an object or action that can be used to defend.
Stardust She/Her Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Okay, so it turns out I do have internet where I am, but it is crazy slow, so I will still be pretty inactive for the next few days. I will give more of a response tomorrow, sorry, but my phone is about to die.
coco.pudding she/they Posted July 3 Posted July 3 1 hour ago, The Unknown Character said: A bit more experienced than Wahr (I think), and has scared me with her elim skills a few times. More likely to be an elim when she seems village than the other way around tbh Nope, we joined in the same game! And thank you, that’s quite the compliment My eliming last game was not quite up to the same standard tho Pretty busy atm but we have a long bus ride coming up in about an hour so I’ll be able to be active soon
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Quote Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing? Not necessary to answer me, I just worry about pushing too hard on anyone that might make them shrink back when people are being mildly pretty vocal in thread so far. Hi I am Wahrheitswächter, but everyone calls me Wahr, this should be the sixth Game (but there was one were I was out D1) which i Generally struggle with a bit, also have CoGMed one Game Quote I probably count in that category so hi I’m Coco, this is my 7th game I believe? I think only if you count the one you CoGMed with Araris There were: Spoiler Hoids Singer Conversion Game Amans Zelda Timeloop Game Archers HP Game Araris House on the Hill Game (you GMed) Strikers Cytoverse Game TUMs Meta Game (I GMed) And now this one Quote Pretty medium experience for this crew I think. And an excellent co-GM I should add Thanks, means a lot But some of your other Takes are a bit wild, Coco and I have the same amount of Games and Mystic has definitely been longer around than me. I know that this post didnt engage with the Discussion about who is elim, but I literally just woke up and have tried to Catch up. Will pop in again when I had more time to think about the people that have been active in thread.
Mystic He/Him Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said: But some of your other Takes are a bit wild, Coco and I have the same amount of Games and Mystic has definitely been longer around than me. Yes I’ve been here longer(first game was the Andor one with Drake as GM) but that doesn’t mean I’m necessarily good or experienced. You’ve seen how wrong I can be *here’s a opening for you to post next* edit: though wow, this is my 10th game I’ve played. Time flies. Edited July 3 by Mystic
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