LG 111 - Night 2: The Void Card

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Night 2: The Void Card

(credit to @coco.pudding for the writeup, and to @Mist. for the Deck RP)

The discussion had at last come to an end. They all turned to him, and the evidence was explained:

They believed he had deceived them, lied about what he was doing last night. He had been the last one seen with Archie, had been near Warren in the crowd the day before, had even been lurking around where the first body was found. Or so they said.

They searched him first, wanting to make certain after the terrible mistake that had left Warren dead.

It was Patrick who found it.

A bomb, ready to detonate, concealed within his jacket.

“He has a weapon!” He called, raising it up for all to see.

That, of course, was the final straw they had been looking for.

As they debated once again of what to do with him, Brax quietly drew a card. It took only once glance for him to know: his fate was sealed.

Verna was the one to do it. These things had always fascinated her.

The knife plunged into him and he fell, the card fluttering down to land atop his chest, blood soaking into the edges.

The Void.

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Brax @Mist. has been executed! He was an Innocent Explorer.

Night 2 has begun, and will end at 8PM Pacific Time on Friday, April 24.

Don't forget to submit a night action. Let's get 100% actions tonight!

While I am not going to confirm or deny the current scenario, if folks so desire, I can proceed with the writeups as if we are in a particular scenario. Anyone that would like this should let me know in their GM PM, and if a majority of players support the same scenario, I'll go with that one.

Vote Count:
Mist (4): Fizz, Star, Doc, Mint
Star (3): Mist, Striker, Verdance
Doc (1): Miss Fallen

Player List:

Spoiler

1. @___ as Mr. Monopoly, who is looking to redevelop the House
2. Through the Living Wahr as Warren the wisp-followed - Innocent Explorer
3. @Fizz9 as Patrick, a friendly neighborhood smith
4. @Through The Living Star as Mabel, who is secretly not a grouch
5. @Akimikoisthecutest as Talasin the journalist
6. @Qianweilian as Randal Boar, who might be really lost
7. @Doc12 as Verna, a writer enamored by the House
8. Mist as Brax- Innocent Explorer
9. @Frozen Mint as Luminair, a disciple of Aralis
10. Divergent as Archie - Innocent Explorer and proto radiant
11. @Miss Fallen as K. Tims, yoyo artist extraordinaire
12. @Conure1243 as Liam
13. @StrikerEZ as Variel the dark and funky
14. @Verdance as Harley, a secretary with a detective complex

 

[Verdance he/him]

Harley sighed. He really thought he could trust Brax. No matter. There was still a killer out there, and only he could find them. Or something like that. Odds were, all he’d do is discover another stupid boot. He stalked back out into the depths of the house, searching for… something. 

Something rustled at his feet. A card. Brax had lost one. He turned it over. “The Knight,” he read aloud. “A symbol of honor and strength. I don’t want to do this… but I can, and I must.” Then he set out into the house, reinvigorated. 

He would do something of value tonight. He didn’t know what, but it wouldn’t be for nothing. 
——

so as i understand it, only one person can win in a FFA, so the idea is to survive until endgame and obtain the Smoking Gun to win?

Edited April 24 by Verdance

[Miss Fallen she/her]

So for this FFA you want to be last one or two standing, or become a hero who kills the current holder of the Smoking Gun.

Also it seems we want verifiable actions now, to know who is/isn’t shooting someone. Only problem with this is Araris has already said multiple people could follow someone and the notification would be the same, so elim could try and slip in there. Mist said to get items, cause those are useful- that’s one option. We could also arrange it so everyone is followed by one person, forcing whoever has the gun to die or reveal themselves by killing someone else/not following their person. 
Debate and discuss 

 

Ed1t: this is assuming scenario 2, that Mist wasn’t lying

Edited April 24 by Miss Fallen

[Through The Living Star She/Her]

Mabel was shaking. 

Her hands clutched at her weathered cane, leaning on it for support. Her thoughts were coming to quickly for her to process. Something... something had happened. 

A Lie. 

Yes, a lie had been told. And she had caught it. She... she had told everyone, hadn't she? Yes, that was what happened. 

Slowly, her thoughts became clearer. 

Brax. Brax had been the one to kill Archie. He had been one she thought she could trust. 

But he lied. And she caught it. 

"Thank you," she whispered softly to the people who had trusted her enough to believe she was telling the truth about Brax. She knew they likely couldn't hear, her, but she whispered it anyway. "Thank you." 

For it was because of them that she was alive. 

______

Yeah, that sounds good to me. It would be a smart way to do it. 

[Doc12]

It would be a good idea except I checked with Araris and following a player will only tell you where they explored N0, even if you follow them tonight. I also thought hey let's just have four players follow us four suspects but it's not going to be that easy. 

If anyone has roleblock, use it on one of us. That's probably the only actual way you can get information. I don't have the gun, but I'd say that regardless.

Edit: the hero role doesn't impact the game as much as I thought 

Edit: I will say I like Fallen proposing the follow plan and Star agreeing with it. Even though the plan doesn't work, the fact that it was proposed and agreed on is risky when they didn't know following wasn't a viable plan. 

Edit: this is weird. Right now we have a 1/4 chance of hitting the gun holder, but then depending on the exe tomortow the gun will probably go into a bigger pool of people. I have no strategy of how to solve this at all. 

Edited April 24 by Doc12

[Fizz9]

53 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

If anyone has roleblock, use it on one of us.

How many people have roleblock abilities?

[Verdance he/him]

1 hour ago, Doc12 said:

It would be a good idea except I checked with Araris and following a player will only tell you where they explored N0, even if you follow them tonight. I also thought hey let's just have four players follow us four suspects but it's not going to be that easy. 

If anyone has roleblock, use it on one of us. That's probably the only actual way you can get information. I don't have the gun, but I'd say that regardless.

Edit: the hero role doesn't impact the game as much as I thought 

Edit: I will say I like Fallen proposing the follow plan and Star agreeing with it. Even though the plan doesn't work, the fact that it was proposed and agreed on is risky when they didn't know following wasn't a viable plan. 

Edit: this is weird. Right now we have a 1/4 chance of hitting the gun holder, but then depending on the exe tomortow the gun will probably go into a bigger pool of people. I have no strategy of how to solve this at all. 

I would like to point out that if the majority group cannot win as a team, there is no incentive for them to work together or even consider themselves as a “we”. Which scares me a bit

Edited April 24 by Verdance

[Conure1243 He/Him]

Liam was mortified.

He'd tried to stay out of trouble, but as he heard strange things continue through the house, he couldn't help but check.

It was starting to become clear to him. He wouldn't be surviving without taking a few risks.

--

So, we're all certain this is Scenario 2? I didn't fully catch that, but oh well

[Qianweilian He/him]

10 hours ago, Miss Fallen said:

Also it seems we want verifiable actions now, to know who is/isn’t shooting someone. Only problem with this is Araris has already said multiple people could follow someone and the notification would be the same, so elim could try and slip in there. Mist said to get items, cause those are useful- that’s one option. We could also arrange it so everyone is followed by one person, forcing whoever has the gun to die or reveal themselves by killing someone else/not following their person. 
Debate and discuss 

So, as far as I'm reading the rules, one random person involved in the execution of the player with the smoking gun becomes a hero, who always wins. There is also no vote minimum, suggesting that someone could be exed with merely one vote. There's also no restriction on self voting or becoming a hero while holding the gun. So, I propose this: the player with the smoking gun reveals themself. During the next day, they then self vote. NO ONE ELSE VOTES! They then become a hero, die, and win. Then the smoking gun passed onto a "random player that voted on them." This suggest that, if the only person who voted on the gun player dies, the smoking gun goes to no one and is lost. As the win condition requires two or less players to be living, we can essentially vote on who wins.

If, as I suspect will happen, the gun is passed on to a random player, then that player shoots someone and then, during the day, self exes, becomes a hero, and loses. The result of this is that around half, the majority of people, will win due to the virtue of being a hero. Essentially, half of us win, half of us lose, instead of (likely) only around two or three of us actually winning.

@Araris Valerian, am I correct in my analysis?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

12 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

So, as far as I'm reading the rules, one random person involved in the execution of the player with the smoking gun becomes a hero, who always wins. There is also no vote minimum, suggesting that someone could be exed with merely one vote. There's also no restriction on self voting or becoming a hero while holding the gun. So, I propose this: the player with the smoking gun reveals themself. During the next day, they then self vote. NO ONE ELSE VOTES! They then become a hero, die, and win. Then the smoking gun passed onto a "random player that voted on them." This suggest that, if the only person who voted on the gun player dies, the smoking gun goes to no one and is lost. As the win condition requires two or less players to be living, we can essentially vote on who wins.

If, as I suspect will happen, the gun is passed on to a random player, then that player shoots someone and then, during the day, self exes, becomes a hero, and loses. The result of this is that around half, the majority of people, will win due to the virtue of being a hero. Essentially, half of us win, half of us lose, instead of (likely) only around two or three of us actually winning.

@Araris Valerian, am I correct in my analysis?

This doesn’t work. You can’t become a hero by committing suicide by vote. Self-voting is frowned upon and generally not specifically accounted for in rules. Also, I have to say, that sounds like a pretty boring way to spend the next 2+ weeks of this game.

Furthermore, if somehow the wielder of the Smoking Gun was the only person to vote on themselves, the Gun would pass to a random player.

[Qianweilian He/him]

5 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

This doesn’t work. You can’t become a hero by committing suicide by vote. Self-voting is frowned upon and generally not specifically accounted for in rules. Also, I have to say, that sounds like a pretty boring way to spend the next 2+ weeks of this game.

Furthermore, if somehow the wielder of the Smoking Gun was the only person to vote on themselves, the Gun would pass to a random player.

Shame.

Edit: But you're right, it would be somewhat boring.

Edited April 24 by Qianweilian

[Mint11 she/her]

rip verx 

 

my current understanding of the rules, assuming mist was telling the truth:

one of the people who voted on mist (fizz, star, doc, or myself) is currently the hero

the hero can choose to either not fire the gun tonight (in which case they die and win the game) or to fire the gun and kill another player (if successful, they will survive) @Araris Valerian am I right that if the hero doesn't fire the gun, they'll die over the night and their death will be announced in the D3 write up?

either way, the smoking gun will move to a new player on N3 (if the gun holder is ex'ed on D3, the new player will be a hero; if not, the new player will have to kill someone because they gain nothing from restraint)

and then the gun pretty much circles around until there are two players left. so this does feel like a "everyone for themselves" scenario. there's really no village win here. there is an upside to ex'ing the person holding the gun though, because one of the people who vote correctly will have the choice to win the game or at least survive the night (not like they can be killed if they're the one holding the gun). so there at least, we have incentive to ex whoever the current killer is

 

mist would have no reason to lie if this was scenario 1 or 3, so I think we can be pretty confident that we're in scenario 2

 

 

also can someone tell me what FFA stands for?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 minutes ago, Frozen Mint said:

rip verx 

 

my current understanding of the rules, assuming mist was telling the truth:

one of the people who voted on mist (fizz, star, doc, or myself) is currently the hero

the hero can choose to either not fire the gun tonight (in which case they die and win the game) or to fire the gun and kill another player (if successful, they will survive) @Araris Valerian am I right that if the hero doesn't fire the gun, they'll die over the night and their death will be announced in the D3 write up?

either way, the smoking gun will move to a new player on N3 (if the gun holder is ex'ed on D3, the new player will be a hero; if not, the new player will have to kill someone because they gain nothing from restraint)

and then the gun pretty much circles around until there are two players left. so this does feel like a "everyone for themselves" scenario. there's really no village win here. there is an upside to ex'ing the person holding the gun though, because one of the people who vote correctly will have the choice to win the game or at least survive the night (not like they can be killed if they're the one holding the gun). so there at least, we have incentive to ex whoever the current killer is

 

mist would have no reason to lie if this was scenario 1 or 3, so I think we can be pretty confident that we're in scenario 2

 

 

also can someone tell me what FFA stands for?

The Gun and the Hero are distributed independently. They could go to the same player, or to different players.

FFA stands for free-for-all.

Another clarification that came up in a PM: If the Gun holder dies at night, the Gun passes to a random player for the day, but then passes to a new player the following night, so the intermediate holder would never have a chance to fire it.

[Doc12]

Verna wipes Brax's blood off the ceremonial knife on his jacket. She slides a hand across his ruined chest. Finds the pocket that had held his precious deck. 

"Gambler after all," she whispers. 

On a whim, she draws. 

The Eurayle. A sudden vision, seemingly from Brax's memory, of Verna breaking the paralysis of the deadlocked vote, shifting opinions, beginning to advance on him with a silver knife, veiled, angelic, a vision of Beautiful Death, the last sight he'd ever see.

"Keep on your mask, and hide your eye,
For with beholding you I die:
Your fatal beauty, Gorgon-like,
Dead with astonishment will strike;
Your piercing eyes if them I see
Are worse than basilisks to me."

Verna sighs. Stoops, pushes her veil aside, and gives Brax one last kiss. 

To think that after they'd shared a bed, he'd waited for her to explore the house before setting out on his own malicious mission.

To be honest, that only endeared him more to her, especially as he lay now, cold. 

"Well well," she spoke again, quietly. "I have no regrets, darling. I hope you had none either."

The gun had not been on her lover's body. Mabel, Patrick and Tims had been among her helpers in holding Brax down. One of them had it now. 

Blood and paranoia. Verna thanked the house  once more, in a whisper. She'd never felt so alive. 

She couldn't wait to plunge deeper. 

 —-------

To the people saying there's no point banding together as a team, I'd argue there is? The point of scenario 2 is for everyone to vote on the gun holder, since then you get a chance to either become the a hero and win no matter what, or get the gun and get to do shenanigans. So everyone should still be discussing and trying to solve who has the gun among us? 

Edit: poem by William Strode 

Edited April 24 by Doc12

[Qianweilian He/him]

5 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

To the people saying there's no point banding together as a team, I'd argue there is? The point of scenario 2 is for everyone to vote on the gun holder, since then you get a chance to either become the a hero and win no matter what, or get the gun and get to do shenanigans. So everyone should still be discussing and trying to solve who has the gun among us?

Yeah, I agree with Doc. We should still find out who has the smoking gun. I don't really know who it would be though...

Edit: as the smoking gun wasn't executed, someone new should have it.

Edited April 24 by Qianweilian

[___ He/Him]

2 hours ago, Frozen Mint said:

rip verx 

 

my current understanding of the rules, assuming mist was telling the truth:

one of the people who voted on mist (fizz, star, doc, or myself) is currently the hero

the hero can choose to either not fire the gun tonight (in which case they die and win the game) or to fire the gun and kill another player (if successful, they will survive) @Araris Valerian am I right that if the hero doesn't fire the gun, they'll die over the night and their death will be announced in the D3 write up?

either way, the smoking gun will move to a new player on N3 (if the gun holder is ex'ed on D3, the new player will be a hero; if not, the new player will have to kill someone because they gain nothing from restraint)

and then the gun pretty much circles around until there are two players left. so this does feel like a "everyone for themselves" scenario. there's really no village win here. there is an upside to ex'ing the person holding the gun though, because one of the people who vote correctly will have the choice to win the game or at least survive the night (not like they can be killed if they're the one holding the gun). so there at least, we have incentive to ex whoever the current killer is

 

mist would have no reason to lie if this was scenario 1 or 3, so I think we can be pretty confident that we're in scenario 2

 

 

also can someone tell me what FFA stands for?

Wait I'm confused

Did mist say he had the gun?

Monocle stood on a balcony, watching the setting sun. So many dead. He had been worried something like this would happen, but this many? 

What to do? He had to get out of this, to survive. Otherwise, his company would fall to pieces. He chuckled, thinking about how, in the beginning, all he had wanted was to redevelop this land. Shaking his head bitterly, he walked back inside, cane clacking on the wood floors.

[Mint11 she/her]

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

The Gun and the Hero are distributed independently. They could go to the same player, or to different players.

if thats the case, the hero can potentially both survive until the end of the game and win at the same time right? in the case where they never get the gun, they don't have to choose between winning and survival?

can more than one player be hero at a time? is it a permanent status?

20 minutes ago, ___ said:

Did mist say he had the gun?

mist confirmed that he had the gun on N1

[___ He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Frozen Mint said:

mist confirmed that he had the gun on N1

Yeah I didn't see his last post

[Araris Valerian he/him]

There is no hard limit on the number of Heroes. If possible, a new person will become a Hero anytime the person holding the Gun is executed. Also, whether or not someone was holding the Gun is not announced in the writeup.

[Doc12]

Alright, I've thought about this, and Im now asking the Hero to reveal themselves. 

@Through The Living Star

@Frozen Mint  

@Fizz9

If you're the Hero, you've already won, and nothing can take that away from you, unless you are a Hero with a gun, and shoot the gun. 

So our scenarios right now are 

1) hero doesn't have the gun. That narrows down the pool to 3 people, 2 for me.

2) hero has the gun, but doesn't shoot it - you die, but become the first winner, guaranteed 

3) hero has the gun, and shoots it, which is objectively the worst solution because you're lose the hero status and then lose the game when you die.

So from my perspective, there is no downside to confirming who the Hero is. If the hero is still alive the next day, we know that they didn't have the gun, and can look at the other 3 people.

If the hero dies, then it's a little more complex because it could be

1. the hero had the gun and didn't shoot it, or

2. That they were killed. 

Still, logically, for the first possibility, the hero could just inform us if they have the gun. For the second, shooting the hero is a dumb choice because it narrows down who has the gun. 

Does this logic check out? There's literally no downside to one of us four claiming to be the hero? 

Edit: I suppose I overlooked the world where the hero chooses to shoot themselves in the foot (lol) and shoot the gun while being a hero. They'd be alive and so indistinguishable from the hero not having the gun. But again. That would just be giving up a guaranteed win, right? 

Edited April 24 by Doc12

[Fizz9]

I am not the Hero.

[Miss Fallen she/her]

9 hours ago, Doc12 said:

It would be a good idea except I checked with Araris and following a player will only tell you where they explored N0, even if you follow them tonight. I also thought hey let's just have four players follow us four suspects but it's not going to be that easy. 

If anyone has roleblock, use it on one of us. That's probably the only actual way you can get information. I don't have the gun, but I'd say that regardless.

Edit: the hero role doesn't impact the game as much as I thought 

Edit: I will say I like Fallen proposing the follow plan and Star agreeing with it. Even though the plan doesn't work, the fact that it was proposed and agreed on is risky when they didn't know following wasn't a viable plan. 

Edit: this is weird. Right now we have a 1/4 chance of hitting the gun holder, but then depending on the exe tomortow the gun will probably go into a bigger pool of people. I have no strategy of how to solve this at all. 

So actually my plan(see first post) could still work; the important thing isn’t knowing where someone is, it’s the notification that comes saying you were followed. We know for a fact now that following someone alerts them. So if we decide beforehand who follows who, then we can make it so there’s accountability regarding our actions. Whoever we’re following will know whether or not we did that action, and whether or not we’re a suspect for holding the gun. There is a 20% chance of getting lost, which the gun holder may try to claim while still firing, but that would at least narrow the pool of suspects. @Araris Valerian @coco.pudding, do we get notified that someone is following us even if they get lost and don’t get the floor/item information?
This is also making me a bit suspicious of why doc is pushing for a different plan- to reveal the hero. Doc should know better than anyone that this plan would work, having received a follow notification the first night. I think doc has the gun right now. 

Anyways, if you have any questions on how the following plan would work, please ask so we can implement it before rollover. 

Edited April 24 by Miss Fallen

[Araris Valerian he/him]

19 minutes ago, Miss Fallen said:

@Araris Valerian @coco.pudding, do we get notified that someone is following us even if they get lost and don’t get the floor/item information?

Nope. If you get lost, you never got close enough for the other person to notice.

[Miss Fallen she/her]

K. Tims was getting nervous. With a bomb, the adventurers dividing in two, and Brax’s life changing letter, everyone needed to band together. And yet, they were like a yo-yo about to fly off its string. Maybe some trust exercises, or learning some partner tricks would help her fellow adventurers band together. But if that didn’t work, K didn’t know what would. 
 

So adding on, the gun holder can

1) fire their gun, in which case they must claim to be lost. Whoever they should’ve followed won’t receive a notification. The gun holder may just target their followee, to prevent the lack of notification from getting out. 
2) not fire, and therefore die. In this case, the gun is randomly distributed and we start over with solving 

Basically @Doc12 @Frozen Mint @Fizz9 @Through The Living Star to clear yourselves for day 3, you need to follow someone, state in thread who you’re following, and make sure no one else is following that person!! Also hope you don’t get lost 

[Through The Living Star She/Her]

I am not the Hero