Making Investiture with help from Navani thoughts led me down a rabbit hole.

[OdiYum2]

Hello,

Before I begin, I couldn’t access my old account so I made a new one!  Sorry if that is against guidelines, I will remedy it if it is.  But I had a thought and needed to get my thoughts out.

I was wondering how the radiants in Urithuru could access stormlight and I wondered if they could use Navani’s method, but instead of creating an inverted wave, use constructive interference to amplify stormlight’s wave.  I know that this mode of interference is additive, but the intensity is the amplitude squared.  I don’t think this would create any extra stormlight, but the increase in energy density made me wonder if a Scandrian with an understanding of the tones of Preservation, Ruin and Honor(also maybe Odium) could build a machine that would use constructive interference to dramatically increase the energy density of a Nicrosilmind to a point where it could warp space-time.  Does investiture give off heat?  Would concentrating investiture in such a small space give off harmful radiation?  It can give off light ah la stormlight.  Would a large enough supply of investiture emit gamma radiation?

So anyways, could our Scandrian scientist use another machine attuned to Honor’s tone, specifically the gravitation surge portion of it, invert it so it hopefully functions as antigravity, and open a wormhole.  Instant Scandrian FTL; although it just hit me if they could isolate the gravitational surge, why not just use the transportation surge and skip the wave inversion shenanigans.  But doesn’t this mean a Scandrian with an understanding of the wave-mechanical nature of investiture be able to mechanize any and all forms of magic in the Cosmere?

Sorry if this is way off, I have two sick kids and they just fell asleep and I am a little delirious from lack of sleep for the past four days.

[Treamayne]

1 hour ago, OdiYum2 said:

Hello,

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[Qianweilian He/him]

13 hours ago, OdiYum2 said:

dramatically increase the energy density of a Nicrosilmind to a point where it could warp space-time

Nicrosil is implied to store the ability to use a certain magic, not necessarily pure investiture. (Although could be different) Also, warping space time is a very high bar. I suspect the most you could theoretically reach would be a perpendicularity.

14 hours ago, OdiYum2 said:

Does investiture give off heat?  Would concentrating investiture in such a small space give off harmful radiation?  It can give off light ah la stormlight.  Would a large enough supply of investiture emit gamma radiation?

I do not believe so.

Probably not.

Yes, Stormlight can give off visible light, but (for example) atium does not, suggesting that (at least some forms of) investiture doesn't inherently emit light.

No, I don't believe so.

[OdiYum2]

Hmm.  That makes me wonder if black holes exist.  If the energy density causes a perpendicularity to open, then would that prevent black hole formation?  Investiture permeates matter and energy (I think), so is there a giant perpendicularity in venture of the cosmere dwarf galaxy?  But other perpendicularities don’t seem to warp space-time with their high investiture density, but retribution did.  I am so confused!

[Qianweilian He/him]

2 hours ago, OdiYum2 said:

other perpendicularities don’t seem to warp space-time with their high investiture density, but retribution did.

That was caused by the merging of the shards specifically. A similar scale effect can be seen with the Catacendre.

[Frustration]

29 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

That was caused by the merging of the shards specifically. A similar scale effect can be seen with the Catacendre.

Not even just that, Retribution seemed to intentionally do it.

[OdiYum2]

So does investiture warp space time?  Isn’t the cosmere version IE=mc^2?

[alder24]

14 hours ago, OdiYum2 said:

So does investiture warp space time?  Isn’t the cosmere version IE=mc^2?

Yes, investiture does warp spacetime, but not in the Physical Realm like gravity does in our universe. Instead, investiture brings all three Realms together and eventually pierces them forming a perpendicularity if there is enough investiture. In Cosmere investiture is just another form of matter and energy. We don't know what the Cosmere version of E=mc^2 is, but investiture is included in it. WoBs:

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Bugsy6912

Does Investiture warp spacetime like objects with mass/energy do in our world?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes--but the warping is not on the Physical Realm.

General Signed Books 2017 (Oct. 22, 2017)

 

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Questioner

In our universe, mass and energy curve space. I was wondering if Investiture does the same or something similar.

Brandon Sanderson

It does something similar. It draws the three Realms together. So it's got like-- Imagine a gravitational pull piercing Realms. Right? Of kind of--

Questioner

And that's how a perpendicularity works?

Brandon Sanderson

That's not the only way a perpendicularity works, but one surefire way to create a perpendicularity is a massive collection of Investiture in the Cognitive or mostly Physical realm. But Cognitive's weird, doesn't always work the right way. But there are ways to do it that way too.

Salt Lake City signing (Dec. 16, 2017)

 

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Questioner

Does the dead body of a Shard pull at time and space, thus causing time to pass slower in that place of the cosmere, almost like a black hole?

Brandon Sanderson

It could go either way in the Cosmere, depending. But the answer is yes. A large amount, like a deific amount of Investiture will... any amount of Investiture will cause a bit of time dilation, but the amount you're getting from even a Shardpool is not enough to be noticeable. I mean, it is, you can notice it even on our planet if you take a jet that goes fast enough, so it is noticeable but not relevantly noticeable. We're talking about a slippage of a day or so in a year even off of a Shardpool (don't canonize me on that one, I don't have the actual numbers). But that's what we're talking about. There are are chunks of Investiture of deific nature that can cause amounts of time dilation that would be virtually impossible in our universe, without you becoming one with a black hole. There's a story I want to tell, and I don't know if I'll ever get around to telling it, about an entire society that rises and falls in several seconds of time dilation to everyone else. I want to be able to tell stories like that, and you couldn't do that in our universe, but that's part of the reason we have the Cosmere!

YouTube Spoiler Stream 5 (Dec. 2, 2022)

 

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Questioner

Your magic systems are very structured, and specific rules that dominate them. But are there any universal laws that apply to all of the magic systems in the cosmere together?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, there's several of them. Basically, the most important one and relevant to people who enjoy real physics is that I consider something called Investiture to be a third state of matter and energy. So, instead of e=mc^2, we have a third thing, Investiture, in there. And you can change Investiture to matter or to energy. And so, because of that, that law that you can do this, is where we see a lot of the cosmere magics living.

We also have a kind of rule that beings all exist, everything exists on three different levels. The Physical, the Spiritual, and the Cognitive. And, like we have DNA for our Physical self, we also have Mental DNA and Spiritual DNA, and all three influence one another. For instance, you couldn't test an Allomancer's blood and find the Allomancy gene, because it is in a different set of their DNA. You just have three sets. You could compose a test that could test it on the Spiritual Realm, but you're gonna have to use a different branch of physics to do that and determine who was an Allomancer. And so they all work on this kind of fundamental rules of: your Identity, your Connection, and being part of your soul, and the magics working through those things.

So there's some fundamental rules about this, about changing forms from energy to matter, and you having this Identity, Investiture, and Connection stored in your Spiritual DNA that are really relevant to everything.

ICon 2019 (Oct. 15, 2019)

 

Edited April 4 by alder24