Trusk'our he/him Posted March 3 Posted March 3 So, I was reading through the Stormlight World Guide when I came upon this section for the Horneater peaks: "Deep within each of the Unkalaki oceans, a layer of regular water sits atop a hidden trove of liquid Investiture. Cultivation's Perpendicularity is in the ocean that the Unkalaki know as the Pool. Swimming all the way to the bottom of the Pool can transport someone to Shadesmar, which the Unkalaki consider the place of the gods." So, this means that while only the Pool holds a true Perpendicularity, each of the peaks has a pool of Investiture under their water? I had envisioned multiple heated lakes (probably cause by Investiture, but I had assumed it to be directly from the SR or something), sure, but not so much Investiture spread across them all. It's always fun to see how my biases are incorrect and I get a cool new piece lore to think about. 2
Treamayne Posted March 4 Posted March 4 5 hours ago, Trusk'our said: So, this means that while only the Pool holds a true Perpendicularity, each of the peaks has a pool of Investiture under their water? I had envisioned multiple heated lakes (probably cause by Investiture, but I had assumed it to be directly from the SR or something), sure, but not so much Investiture spread across them all. It's always fun to see how my biases are incorrect and I get a cool new piece lore to think about. It's not without precedent. (Mistborn Spoilers) Spoiler Ruin's Perpendicularity was in the Pits of Hathsin because each Geode creating atium was a "tiny pool" and the amalgumation of all of them put the perpendicularity in the crevasse with no actual liquid at the transition point. WoBs: Spoiler Quote Chaos (paraphrased) Does Ruin have a pool, similar to Preservation's pool with the Well of Ascension and Skai's pool in Elantris? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. His pool is the Pits [Pits of Hathsin]. Ancient 17S Q&A (May 1, 2010) Quote Questioner Hoid worldhops between places. How did he do it on Scadrial? With Ati's body? Brandon Sanderson So, there were two perpendicularities on Scadrial. Questioner I know he uses the pools, but how did he do it with Pits of Hathsin? There was no pool? The body was there... Brandon Sanderson So, it doesn't have to be going through the pool. What happens with a perpendicularity is, where there is a massive collection of Investiture, it pulls a conduit through. So, if you know what you're doing and where you are, you can get through that. Questioner So you don't have to use the pools, just where there's a huge concentration... Brandon Sanderson A huge concentration of Investiture will warp the realms. Questioner So can anyone worldhop that way, then? If they know what to do? Brandon Sanderson If they know what to do, in a perpendicularity, anyone should be able to get through there. But as proven with Raoden, if you don't know what it's supposed to do, nothing happens. He gets dumped int he pool, he thinks he's gonna die... nothing. So, it's more than just being there. Questioner That's how he went from the Physical to the Cognitive, so I was wondering how did he do that at the Pits of Hathsin, when there shouldn't be a pool there Brandon Sanderson Well, that is the equivalent. Arcanum Unbounded release party (Nov. 22, 2016) Dalenthas Does the Well of Ascension still exist in the new world? Or is it no longer necessary? I assumed that Preservation collected there like Ruin collects in the Pits of Hathsin, so if Atium keeps forming then the well should keep filling... Brandon Sanderson The Well (and the small wells in the Pits) is no more. For now at least. Hero of Ages Q&A - Time Waster's Guide (Oct. 15, 2008) Hope that helps
Trusk'our he/him Posted March 4 Author Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Treamayne said: It's not without precedent. (Mistborn Spoilers) Hide contents Ruin's Perpendicularity was in the Pits of Hathsin because each Geode creating atium was a "tiny pool" and the amalgumation of all of them put the perpendicularity in the crevasse with no actual liquid at the transition point. WoBs: Hide contents Dalenthas Does the Well of Ascension still exist in the new world? Or is it no longer necessary? I assumed that Preservation collected there like Ruin collects in the Pits of Hathsin, so if Atium keeps forming then the well should keep filling... Brandon Sanderson The Well (and the small wells in the Pits) is no more. For now at least. Hero of Ages Q&A - Time Waster's Guide (Oct. 15, 2008) Hope that helps While this did come to mind after the reading of Cultivations multiple pools, it just wasn't something I'd considered, probably because those are counted as multiple Perpendicularities but nobody ever mentioned there being more than one pool of Investiture for Cultivation. 1
Treamayne Posted March 4 Posted March 4 3 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: While this did come to mind after the reading of Cultivations multiple pools, it just wasn't something I'd considered, probably because those are counted as multiple Perpendicularities but nobody ever mentioned there being more than one pool of Investiture for Cultivation. But, they are not multiple perpendicularities - it was one perpendicularity that, in the physical realm, had more than one (and smaller) manifestation. It makes sense for cultivation that, if the perpendicularity is "the Peaks" then each peak is accessing the same perpendicularity.
Trusk'our he/him Posted March 4 Author Posted March 4 3 hours ago, Treamayne said: But, they are not multiple perpendicularities - it was one perpendicularity that, in the physical realm, had more than one (and smaller) manifestation. It makes sense for cultivation that, if the perpendicularity is "the Peaks" then each peak is accessing the same perpendicularity. But, doesn't the quote from the world guide say only one pool functions as a Perpendicularity? Sorry, I don't think I'm quite following you. 1
ParaTulip fae/faer (declines as she/her) Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 8 hours ago, Treamayne said: But, they are not multiple perpendicularities - it was one perpendicularity that, in the physical realm, had more than one (and smaller) manifestation. It makes sense for cultivation that, if the perpendicularity is "the Peaks" then each peak is accessing the same perpendicularity. I swear the grammar on this feels like someone trying to explain the oneness of a god with many incarnations. The difference between a single perpendicularity which appears in multiple places concurrently and many perpendicularities that happen to be located across a geographic region feels somewhat esoteric. Anyway, here is a quote from like 2018 where Mr Sanderson says a Shard can have more than one Shardpool: Quote Hoiditthroughthegrapevine Can a Shard have more than one Shardpool? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Hoiditthroughthegrapevine Does Cultivation have another Shardpool in the Purelake? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. Skyward Seattle signing (Nov. 10, 2018) So, @Trusk'our, it seems like each peak can potentially have its own pool of liquid investiture, and if there is a large enough amount there then "diving" into Shadesmar might be doable. The real strange thing there is that I would expect someone doing such a dive to emerge on some kind of underside of the realm? Like, they are diving under a lake, so that is land in Shadesmar, and they think they are diving deeper. Has anyone ever been described emerging from the pools into Shadesmar? Maybe I am just imagining things weirdly. Edited March 4 by ParaTulip whoops, accidentally too many words and some wrong ones. 3
PanLin they/he Posted March 4 Posted March 4 28 minutes ago, ParaTulip said: I swear the grammar on this feels like someone trying to explain the oneness of a god with many incarnations. This gave me a chuckle, thanks. 4 hours ago, Trusk'our said: But, doesn't the quote from the world guide say only one pool functions as a Perpendicularity? 15 hours ago, Trusk'our said: So, I was reading through the Stormlight World Guide when I came upon this section for the Horneater peaks: "Deep within each of the Unkalaki oceans, a layer of regular water sits atop a hidden trove of liquid Investiture. Cultivation's Perpendicularity is in the ocean that the Unkalaki know as the Pool. Swimming all the way to the bottom of the Pool can transport someone to Shadesmar, which the Unkalaki consider the place of the gods." 'Perpendicularity' is a vague term when applied to the physical realm. Physically, there are multiple distinct collections of Cultivation's Investiture, in much the same way the Pits of Hathsin continuously grew multiple geodes containing Ruin's. The Horneaters apparently ascribe special meaning to the Pool, but that is just the biggest or most accessible, at least in the physical realm. If you know what you're doing, coming into contact (do you actually have to touch them?) with any of that Investiture will be enough for you to access it. IIRC Cultivation's Perpendicularity was a singular, regulated pool in Shadesmar. Presumably, the Pool the Horneaters talk about is where you're most likely to enter the physical realm when entering from Shadesmar. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also in the centre of all those other pools, and Cultivation's Investiture used to just spread out from the main Pool and infuse nearby water. 15 hours ago, Trusk'our said: It's always fun to see how my biases are incorrect and I get a cool new piece lore to think about. I also love this, and didn't know that bit about multiple pools either. Neat. 1
Treamayne Posted March 4 Posted March 4 4 hours ago, Trusk'our said: But, doesn't the quote from the world guide say only one pool functions as a Perpendicularity? Sorry, I don't think I'm quite following you. I have not read the world guide - you quoted 15 hours ago, Trusk'our said: Stormlight World Guide when I came upon this section for the Horneater peaks: "Deep within each of the Unkalaki oceans, a layer of regular water sits atop a hidden trove of liquid Investiture. I was just trying to draw the comparison that a perpendicularity is not a "Shardpool" (Fan term, not Brandon's term). If Cultivation's perpendicularity encompasses the Horneter Peaks (plural - your quote) then we also already had a previous example of a Single Perpendicularity being comprised of multiple "Wells."
Riino He/Him Posted March 23 Posted March 23 Do Shards control where their pool is in the physical realm and/or cognitive, because in mistborn i feel that leras would have wanted to move his pool from kredik shaw, and Odium moved his pool from the remains of the 4th moon at the end of Book 5. So it seems like some shards would want to move their pools, but can't / won't. and some shards have moved their pools.
Frustration Posted March 23 Posted March 23 13 minutes ago, Riino said: Do Shards control where their pool is in the physical realm and/or cognitive, because in mistborn i feel that leras would have wanted to move his pool from kredik shaw, and Odium moved his pool from the remains of the 4th moon at the end of Book 5. So it seems like some shards would want to move their pools, but can't / won't. and some shards have moved their pools. They can control where they form, however Leras was basically non-functional Spoiler Zaqwer (paraphrased) How much control do Shards have over where their perpendicularity manifests? Karen Ahlstrom (paraphrased) Quite a lot of control. If you're thinking of Wind and Truth, then it was put there for a reason. He hid it on purpose. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/549/#e16964 1
Treamayne Posted March 24 Posted March 24 4 hours ago, Riino said: Do Shards control where their pool is in the physical realm and/or cognitive, because in mistborn i feel that leras would have wanted to move his pool from kredik shaw, and Odium moved his pool from the remains of the 4th moon at the end of Book 5. So it seems like some shards would want to move their pools, but can't / won't. and some shards have moved their pools. Please note this is the Stormlight Forum, please spoiler tag your Mistborn spoilers or requuest the thread get moved to Cosmere Discussion (the place to discuss two or more shardworlds). Mistborn Spoilers: Spoiler Why do you think Leras would have wanted to move the Well? He wanted TLR to remain in Control and running a stagnant empire.
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