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Is as stated in title. You find yourself as Rashek immediately before he draws from the Well of Ascension. Here's a rundown of the situation:

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  • You've just murdered Alendi, someone who, according to the entire world except for Kwaan, is the Hero of Ages.
  • You are a Full Feruchemist alone in the Terris Mountains with your companions.
  • The Deepness, Preservation's mists designed to snap Allomancers, has been encouraged by Ruin and now blankets the land, causing famine and death.
  • Ruin is trapped, and the Well of Ascension is full.
  • The Terris prophecies have been corrupted and changed by Ruin
  • Khlennium, the nation Alendi ruled 5 seconds ago controls much of the world.
  • Autonomy already has permission to invest Scadrial and may be a threat
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    Questioner

    You said Shards need permission to settle the same worlds. In Era Two, Autonomy Invests Scadrial. Did she get permission?

    Brandon Sanderson

    Autonomy has permission from before the Ascension of the Lord Ruler (there's a lore drop for you) and is coasting on that. No, she did not get permission from Harmony. You can do it... anyway. I mean, you guys knew this. They know that. Autonomy has had some dealings on Scadrial in the past, they've already known that. That's not a lore bomb for them. But I am confirming it.

    YouTube Spoiler Stream 7 (Dec. 19, 2025)

  • Leras's mind is near dead and he lies pretty much incapacitated.
  • Scadrial is at a point of near to early industrialization.

What would you do in his situation?

Would you do the following like Rashek:

  • Create the world of ash?
  • Suppress technology?
  • Conquer the world?
  • Create the kanda?
  • Make yourself mistborn?
  • Biologically separate nobles and skaa?

or would you do something else? What would you do after taking the power?

Ideally, you'd shoot to protect against Autonomy, defeat the Deepness, and fulfill the Terris prophecies (bonus points).

It also be good if you kept your sanity/moral compass.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Aliroz-The-Confused said:

Move Scadrial into the sun while flipping off Autonomy.  The only true preservation is the stillness when all things are done.

I mean, you could shoot it into Taldain and create "true preservation" twice... Although, I'm not sure how compatible this would be with Preservation's intent...

  • Qianweilian changed the title to If YOU Were Rashek [Discuss]
Posted (edited)
41 minutes ago, Aliroz-The-Confused said:

Move Scadrial into the sun while flipping off Autonomy.  The only true preservation is the stillness when all things are done.

Lol. I get the feeling you may be aligned very well with a certain Shard, just maybe not Preservation. 

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Posted
47 minutes ago, Aliroz-The-Confused said:

I was being sarcastic.

Yeah, I kinda figured as such, but it was too funny not to comment on.

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The problem is, if you get too technologically advanced (and Scadrial was already light-years ahead of everybody else), then Autonomy will just destroy you, and you'll have absolutely no defense, since you won't have the power of a shard at your disposal. This means that you have pretty much no choice but to do what Raskek did, and retard all technological progress, which requires setting up a Final Empire-esque system. Now, it can certainly be far less brutal, but ultimately it would still be pretty bad.

I would also like to point out, that Rashek only lost because of his own stupidity, so if you do the exact same things as he did, but just don't underestimate the rebellion, then you will be able to take up the well again, and kick the can down the road for another thousand years.

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37 minutes ago, Schizoposting said:

you get too technologically advanced (and Scadrial was already light-years ahead of everybody else), then Autonomy will just destroy you, and you'll have absolutely no defense, since you won't have the power of a shard at your disposal.

But, there's one thing. If you don't get technologically advanced, then the Men of Red & Gold or Retribution's army could wipe Scadrial in the future, since you won't have the power of a shard at your disposal.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

But, there's one thing. If you don't get technologically advanced, then the Men of Red & Gold or Retribution's army could wipe Scadrial in the future, since you won't have the power of a shard at your disposal.

Yes, if you don't have a shard backing you in the Cosmere, then you're cooked.

Posted
6 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Is as stated in title. You find yourself as Rashek immediately before he draws from the Well of Ascension. Here's a rundown of the situation:

  Reveal hidden contents
  • You've just murdered Alendi, someone who, according to the entire world except for Kwaan, is the Hero of Ages.
  • You are a Full Feruchemist alone in the Terris Mountains with your companions.
  • The Deepness, Preservation's mists designed to snap Allomancers, has been encouraged by Ruin and now blankets the land, causing famine and death.
  • Ruin is trapped, and the Well of Ascension is full.
  • The Terris prophecies have been corrupted and changed by Ruin
  • Khlennium, the nation Alendi ruled 5 seconds ago controls much of the world.
  • Autonomy already has permission to invest Scadrial and may be a threat
  • Leras's mind is near dead and he lies pretty much incapacitated.
  • Scadrial is at a point of near to early industrialization.

What would you do in his situation?

Would you do the following like Rashek:

  • Create the world of ash?
  • Suppress technology?
  • Conquer the world?
  • Create the kanda?
  • Make yourself mistborn?
  • Biologically separate nobles and skaa?

or would you do something else? What would you do after taking the power?

Ideally, you'd shoot to protect against Autonomy, defeat the Deepness, and fulfill the Terris prophecies (bonus points).

It also be good if you kept your sanity/moral compass.

I'd be an actual good dude. And not an absolute wanker like he was. I'd conquer the world, create the kandra, make myself mistborn and become a benevolent dictator.

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2 hours ago, Schizoposting said:

The problem is, if you get too technologically advanced (and Scadrial was already light-years ahead of everybody else), then Autonomy will just destroy you, and you'll have absolutely no defense, since you won't have the power of a shard at your disposal.

Could you reach out to Autonomy during your brief Ascension, then make a pact of some kind with her? 

She was willing to spare Scadrial if Telsin could control it, so it's not implausible you could go that route. 

According to Kelsier she's actually been willing to share technology with her followers, so advancing Scadrian civilization might actually be possible if you strike a bargen pre Era 1.

 

Plus, if you can get her oath to help Preservation keep Ruin trapped or destroyed, you can tip the scales and won't have to worry about it ending that way.

1 minute ago, Shatter said:

I'd be an actual good dude. And not an absolute wanker like he was. I'd conquer the world, create the kandra, make myself mistborn and become a benevolent dictator.

So essentially, do what he did, but better.

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Just now, Trusk'our said:

So essentially, do what he did, but better.

Yup.

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HEHEHEHEH ID TREAT SCADRIAL LOKE A SPACESHIP AND ZOOM IT AROUND THE COSMERE yes everyone would be dead and yes that wouldn’t be great BUT ITD BE SOOO FUN

Posted
1 minute ago, Trusk'our said:

Could you reach out to Autonomy during your brief Ascension, then make a pact of some kind with her? 

She was willing to spare Scadrial if Telsin could control it, so it's not implausible you could go that route. 

According to Kelsier she's actually been willing to share technology with her followers, so advancing Scadrian civilization might actually be possible if you strike a bargen pre Era 1.

I suppose that you could do that, but one, Autonomy might not be interested in helping, and two, being controlled by Autonomy might turn out to be a pretty bad deal.

5 minutes ago, Shatter said:

I'd be an actual good dude. And not an absolute wanker like he was. I'd conquer the world, create the kandra, make myself mistborn and become a benevolent dictator.

We had a whole discussion about that but suffice it to say, it's not so simple, especially without shardic powers. 

5 minutes ago, Honors Ghost said:

HEHEHEHEH ID TREAT SCADRIAL LOKE A SPACESHIP AND ZOOM IT AROUND THE COSMERE yes everyone would be dead and yes that wouldn’t be great BUT ITD BE SOOO FUN

Rashek only held the power of Preservation for literally five minutes, so I don't think that you could do that.

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Just now, Schizoposting said:

I suppose that you could do that, but one, Autonomy might not be interested in helping, and two, being controlled by Autonomy might turn out to be a pretty bad deal.

We had a whole discussion about that but suffice it to say, it's not so simple, especially without shardic powers. 

Rashek only held the power of Preservation for literally five minutes, so I don't think that you could do that.

I’ll find a way

Posted
7 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Is as stated in title. You find yourself as Rashek immediately before he draws from the Well of Ascension. Here's a rundown of the situation:

  Reveal hidden contents
  • You've just murdered Alendi, someone who, according to the entire world except for Kwaan, is the Hero of Ages.
  • You are a Full Feruchemist alone in the Terris Mountains with your companions.
  • The Deepness, Preservation's mists designed to snap Allomancers, has been encouraged by Ruin and now blankets the land, causing famine and death.
  • Ruin is trapped, and the Well of Ascension is full.
  • The Terris prophecies have been corrupted and changed by Ruin
  • Khlennium, the nation Alendi ruled 5 seconds ago controls much of the world.
  • Autonomy already has permission to invest Scadrial and may be a threat
  • Leras's mind is near dead and he lies pretty much incapacitated.
  • Scadrial is at a point of near to early industrialization.

What would you do in his situation?

Would you do the following like Rashek:

  • Create the world of ash?
  • Suppress technology?
  • Conquer the world?
  • Create the kanda?
  • Make yourself mistborn?
  • Biologically separate nobles and skaa?

or would you do something else? What would you do after taking the power?

Ideally, you'd shoot to protect against Autonomy, defeat the Deepness, and fulfill the Terris prophecies (bonus points).

It also be good if you kept your sanity/moral compass.

Alright, giving my real answer for the topic now that I've mulled it over.

 

I don't think I'd want to go the same route as Rashek. First of all, I'd want to use a smidge of the Well to speed up my mind to extreme rate, effectively giving me far more than a few hours to plan with the natural acceleration of my mind as an Ascended being- I'm presumably already familiar with zinc Feruchemy, so this should be easy to think of and do.

Second, I use this extra time to peer into the Spiritual Realm and use that to determine if some of the options I think about are actually plausible.

After those two bases are covered, I should learn that the Deepness doesn't require any additional help to stop. It should go away after the Well is drained (if I understand it correctly), which I'm already doing anyway. So, no burned ashland of a planet.

Might be worth looking into whether I can pick up and absorb the Splinter of Ruin that Rashek would have made into Atium, as it might balance out the Preservation side of things and make me a mini-Harmony. Or, it might just give Ruin a foothold, in which case I abandon that idea and bury it a hundred miles underground where no human can possibly reach it and Ruin can only access it should he be freed.

Next, take a few precautions to empower myself and fulfill Preservation's desire to have an Avatar guide Scadrial until the next thousand years pass- as I'd know properly by looking into the SR and Preservation's Shard.

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https://wob.coppermind.net/events/243-hero-of-ages-qa-time-wasters-guide/#e6070

Kaimipono

What was Vin supposed to do at the end of Well of Ascension? How exactly did not-using the power, end up releasing Ruin? I still don't get how that all worked. Can you explain it?

Brandon Sanderson

What was she supposed to do? Well, this is difficult to answer, since the prophecies have been changed and shifted so much. Originally, the prophesies intended for a person to go take the power every thousand years and become a protector of mankind for a period of time. Someone to keep an eye on Ruin in Preservation's absence and watch over the world as he would have done. Imagine an avatar who arrives every thousand years and lives for their lifetime blessing the people with the power of Preservation, renewing Ruin's prison, and generally being a force for protection. (Note that Ruin wouldn't have gotten out if the prison wasn't renewed, he'd simply have been able to touch the world a little bit more.) Obviously, it changed a LOT during the years that Ruin was playing with things.

What should she have done? Well, Ruin's release was inevitable. Even if she hadn't let him go, the world would have 'wound down' eventually. The ashfalls would have grown worse over the centuries, and the next buildup of the Well might not have come in time for them to do anything. Or, perhaps, mankind would have found a way to adapt. But Ruin was going to get himself out eventually, so the choice Vin made was all right. There weren't really any good choices at this point. She could have decided to take the power and become a 'good' Lord Ruler, trying to keep the world from falling apart. Of course, she would have had to make herself immortal with Hemalurgy to make that work right. And since she was already tainted, chances are good she wouldn't have ended up any better than the Lord Ruler himself.

After turning myself into a super Mistborn and altering my Spiritual Aspect in a such a way that I'm effectively immortal (but not Investing myself so much that Preservation's Intent corrupts my ability to fight- unless I can take up that piece of Ruin's excess power, of course), I look to any other Invested opponents on the planet. Cruel as it may be, I may "curse" the Terris population with a bit of extra Investiture programmed to prevent them from accessing their Feruchemy if I should will it at any time, and their descendants with the same bit of Investiture (think of an Elantrian curse that can be toggled on or off at will), whether latent or not, but it can be removed or replaced by me as I wish (using my Identity and Connection as a Sliver of Preservation as the "key"). Then I can control any scary Feruchemists without stealing their humanity or future potential to be Feruchemists, maybe even just letting them be unless they directly try to murder me.

Alendi has already taken control of the planet at this point, so I use the power to see how I can alter my appearance to mimic his as well as fill me in on many of the details of his life so that I can believably maintain some control until things stable out and can leave them to a more democratic lifestyle (cause I don't feel like being directly responsible for the world's civilization management and politics forever). Bit of an actual sacrifice, and I'll look for a way to drop the guise after a century or so when I also drop my rulership, but overall a lot better than needing to bribe kings to my side with Lerasium or murder them with armies of Koloss.

Speaking of which, as cool as Mistborn, Koloss, Kandra, and Inquisitors are, I don't see a real need for them if I'm not going to be an ultra dictator for long- especially since that means there are no super-powered individuals to kill me in the future. Plus, that's just inhumane. Literally, in most of those cases.

Once the world has stabilized into a more peaceful place and technology has advanced enough that people can hold such a large civilization together as a whole, and I've taught the population the true Terris prophecies, I leave my position and give it to someone responsible, encourage the people to think and act for themselves as Preservation's people, then work more independently with a smaller group I can watch over and trust on a personal level. Working more like Superman than Emperor King.

 

And I guess I just keep doing that until the Well fills again and I either come up with a better plan for the next millennia or I hand over that power to a successor that I thoroughly trust.

 

Posted

World conquest seems like a hassle, especially without modern communications technology. I think I would pass.

Making the Kandra seems cool. No clue how I would make them, but they seem like a better kind of life than humans. At the very least I am trying to get myself that deal. Can I make my blessiing out of Lersium by condensing Well-stuff? I don't even need it to do anything fancy, just want to keep my memories.

I guess I would spend most of the time in the Well just trying to learn the true nature of reality on a physical and spiritual level so I could use my now indefinite shapeshifting lifespan to try to trigger an Enlightenment-but-without-the-colonialism-or-empires style historic period. Maybe look into worldhopping since there are probably better species than humans I could be doing this for out there.

What do I care for the scadrial of a thousand years in the future? Sure, I will try to explain expending the Well periodically is important and why, but I would probably try to be somewhere else by then.

Oh and I would afflict Hoid with a recurring testicular torsion. He will randomly suffer a terrible pain in his nethers, and I will be happier for it. Hate that guy.

Posted (edited)

Here's my two clips:

So, technically, if I was Rashek, I would probably do exactly the same things he did (since I would have the same mind, body, and soul), but yeah, that's obviously not the point of this question.

If I were Rashek, would it be like I, an Earthen human, suddenly found my mind switched into Rashek's body? Would I have all my knowledge from the books I've read? No, too meta/fourth-wall.

But, would I have knowledge of what would happen if I made the choices Rashek did? But not in a meta/fourth-wall way? Or are we just assuming I would somehow be able to make better choices than Rashek?

Or are we just looking for better choices than Rashek? Without actually considering the implications of "If you were Rashek"?

Assuming we are just brainstorming the optimal plan for what Rashek could've done:

Why not just become a Shard? That would solve the issue that others have mentioned about Scadrial not having the protection of a Shard and being vulnerable to Autonomy and such. I mean, didn't Vin ascend Preservation? And Saze became Harmony? I'd have to re-read those scenes or look for more info, but couldn't I just become Harmony? Perhaps that would require Ruin's release, but I could just do what Vin did - releasing Ruin - and then what Saze did. Not sure yet if Harmony is all that good, however. This approach would basically save Scadrial 1,000 years, no? If we think a Harmony could do better, then why not?

Actually, I don't have as many thoughts - at least right now - as @Trusk'our had above, so yeah.

I do think that it may be worth keeping/using Hemalurgy, if only to get ahead of the rest of the Cosmere (*cough* Roshar *cough*). Although that might just be what causes Hemalurgy to spread...like a paradox kinda? Also, is that Hemalurgy on Roshar? Or something else?

 

Edit: Feel free to point any mistakes I made.

Edit2: Sorry for the weird intro lol.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Theory said:

Or are we just looking for better choices than Rashek? Without actually considering the implications of "If you were Rashek"?

This is the answer, regardless if he would have known whether or not what would make it a better choice.

5 hours ago, ParaTulip said:

World conquest seems like a hassle, especially without modern communications technology. I think I would pass

You don't have to conquer the world necessarily, Rashek didn't. He took over Khlennium, which already controlled a large part of the world, and bribed a large portion of the rest. If fact, he impersonated Alendi to do so.

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Brandon Sanderson

The First Noblemen Weren't Rashek's Friends

I'm curious to know if anyone figured out the logical problem with the Terrismen becoming nobility. It's what everyone assumed, and it's been mentioned in the previous books. Everyone knows that the Lord Ruler made his friends into Allomancers.

Only, he didn't. That's simply a fabrication he allowed to continue as rumor, then become fact, so that he could cover up the origins of the kandra. The men who became the first Allomancers were actually foreign kings. Rashek knew that he could conquer the world if he needed to—but he also knew that it would be a lot easier to rule that conquered world if he had allies and kingdoms who joined him out of desire, not out of fear. So, he offered Allomancy to the royal families who would give their allegiance to him. Once he showed off his own power as a Mistborn, he managed to get several important monarchs to throw their weight behind him. They got to be Allomancers.

The Hero of Ages Annotations (Feb. 25, 2010)

 

Phantine

Did the Lord Ruler just have everyone call him The Lord Ruler, or did he actually tell people his name was Alendi?

Brandon Sanderson

He actively impersonated someone he was not.

/r/books AMA 2015 (June 23, 2015)
14 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

I don't think I'd want to go the same route as Rashek.

I agree with @Trusk'our here, I think Rashek's plan was extremely shortsighted.

First, I'm going to use some of the Well's power for myself. I make myself a mistborn, and instead of having to deal with atium compounding, I'll hope to use my power to make myself immortal directly, it seems like something Preservation could do, whether it involves making me a kandra fullborn or something closer to the agelessness of the Heralds. 

Hopefully the Deepness should vanish as the Well is used, otherwise I'll create some sort of grain that can survive without sunlight, though it of course probably have to grow a bit slower to avoid taking over other subterranean life. That's mostly just a precaution though. 

I wouldn't change the geography of Scadrial. I wouldn't create @Trusk'our's Feruchemy trap as such a change to Feruchemy, (which might not be possible as it's also connected with Ruin), would apply to myself as well. I don't want to create a weakness possibly exploitable with connection/hemalurgy shenanigans. 

I'd allow some of the people I know to become kandra, on the condition that I have control and they have secrecy. Kandra wouldn't be public knowledge, but instead my secret agents.

I'd take over as ultra-dictator, using the lerasium as in the books, but I wouldn't try to eliminate religion/culture like the books. I'd make the full reality of Ruin and Preservation known, with the exception of some secrets like the kandra and the Well's location, having all important records transcribed in metal. I'd eventually create a parliament-esque system where I'd slowly give up power, but (like the uk) I'd still have lots of de jure power and try to maintain some real authority.

After I'm confident it won't collapse, probably after a few centuries, I'd leave and set up a steward (like Gondor), while leaving some way to identify me. I'll try to get Elantrian powers, but mainly attempt to get allies, primarily Endowment, and to fight Autonomy. If that fails, I'll try and ally with Autonomy instead while trying to mitigate her influence. I'll try and get Nightblood to stop Retribution from rising without Harmony existing in Scadrial. 

If I get Nightblood, I'll attempt to kill Leras and Ati and give the shards to someone I find. Then, I'll fully retire and find something fun to do.

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On 1/18/2026 at 1:10 PM, Qianweilian said:

Is as stated in title. You find yourself as Rashek immediately before he draws from the Well of Ascension. Here's a rundown of the situation:

  Reveal hidden contents
  • You've just murdered Alendi, someone who, according to the entire world except for Kwaan, is the Hero of Ages.
  • You are a Full Feruchemist alone in the Terris Mountains with your companions.
  • The Deepness, Preservation's mists designed to snap Allomancers, has been encouraged by Ruin and now blankets the land, causing famine and death.
  • Ruin is trapped, and the Well of Ascension is full.
  • The Terris prophecies have been corrupted and changed by Ruin
  • Khlennium, the nation Alendi ruled 5 seconds ago controls much of the world.
  • Autonomy already has permission to invest Scadrial and may be a threat
  • Leras's mind is near dead and he lies pretty much incapacitated.
  • Scadrial is at a point of near to early industrialization.

What would you do in his situation?

Would you do the following like Rashek:

  • Create the world of ash?
  • Suppress technology?
  • Conquer the world?
  • Create the kanda?
  • Make yourself mistborn?
  • Biologically separate nobles and skaa?

or would you do something else? What would you do after taking the power?

Ideally, you'd shoot to protect against Autonomy, defeat the Deepness, and fulfill the Terris prophecies (bonus points).

It also be good if you kept your sanity/moral compass.

1. I probably would’ve also suppressed technology. I will need to ensure that my rain is stable for at least the next thousand years so I can once again enter the well of ascension and save the world. I definitely would’ve made myself a mistborn That was the only way I could survive for 1000. I would not have separated the Sak and the nobility. I’m unsure what I would’ve done about the ferochemiest but I probably would not have turned them into mistwraphs . I could keep going, but overall, I would’ve still gone with the basics outline of his plan create a stable system that will last for 1000 years I would’ve however I’ve tried to cope about it in more gentle unless psychopathic way. 

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4 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

I definitely would’ve made myself a mistborn That was the only way I could survive for 1000.

You could be a Kandra or something else really durable instead. Shapeshifting in general feels like a huge upgrade for a long term guide to society, since trying to guide or manage society is probably easier when you can try for a mulligan by putting on a new face.

"Sorry this agricultural system collapsed and killed a bunch of people. I know it was my idea, so I am going to think about it in a cave on my own for a few years and try being someone else next time." See, totally more reasonable than trying to be one person for thousands of years.

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I think there’s a problem not addressed in the responses here: Ruin’s influence. Rashek’s initial actions could have been better, yes, an a lot of the posts here do address that. However, long-term, you are going to be affected by Ruin’s influence as Rashek was. Can’t find any WoB’s that talk about this except this one:

Spoiler

Anusien

Why did Lord Ruler not destroy the logbook knowing what trouble Ruin could cause with it?

Brandon Sanderson

A few reasons. First, Ruin had his fingers in the LR’s soul by then already. Subtle things are easier to influence.

He played off the LR’s natural nostalgia and desire to hold onto something so important to his past.

#tweettheauthor 2009 (July 8, 2009)

But I believe the annotations for Mistborn talk about it. So, whatever path you take, over the thousand year wait for the Well to refill, Ruin is going to twist you over time. For that reason, it’s hard to just say you won’t make an evil empire. Rashek’s biggest mistake was trying to move the planet. That caused a whole ton of problems. The empire, I give him a tiny bit of slack for.

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19 hours ago, ParaTulip said:

You could be a Kandra or something else really durable instead. Shapeshifting in general feels like a huge upgrade for a long term guide to society, since trying to guide or manage society is probably easier when you can try for a mulligan by putting on a new face.

"Sorry this agricultural system collapsed and killed a bunch of people. I know it was my idea, so I am going to think about it in a cave on my own for a few years and try being someone else next time." See, totally more reasonable than trying to be one person for thousands of years.


True but kondra can still be killed. It’s difficult but not impossible. It’s much more difficult to kill someone unlike the Lord ruler and considering an impression God is after you it makes sense to make yourself as invincible as possible.

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