Quick Fix Game 4: Conversions

[Newan he/him]

I retract my vote from Jain.  I'll wait until he RPs to add RP.

[Surgebound Rainspren he/him]

Karlin sighs and pulls his hood down over his tanned face. remembering the pain those riots has brought him and those he loved, under his sorrow a broken chuckle arose from his lips. He knew the chaos that Hoid could so easily bring, as he had brought a devastating vendetta to a town neighboring Karlin's birthplace. He let the homey pressure of the small but poisoned dagger strapped and sheathed to his thigh sooth him. whilst many members of the seventeenth shard only used overpowered shardblades and other legendary relics Karlin preferred the the more rustic weapons. not to say that this dagger was anything ordinary being coated with a solution cured for thousands of years in at the mountainous edges of Shinovar it could stop a mans heart in moments and even kill a Chasmfiend in seconds.  

 

He took mental notes of the nervous chatter of the people around him. a buzz of excitement hung in the air as had been brewing since the hunt had been announced.  

Edited November 15, 2014 by Surgebound Rainspren

[luckat she/her]

Lucy wandered around the gathering, watching people’s reactions and listening in on snippets of conversation. Half the people in the crowd had started pointing fingers of suspicion, seemingly at random. No one had noticed her yet, which was just fine with her. She didn’t particularly like going about drab, but in a group as dangerous as this one, staying in the shadows was a good idea, at least until she knew more.

Most of these people were complete strangers to her. However, she noticed a few familiar faces. Three of them had been with her in the Riots. Although, she had thought Heron and Aonar had died. She hadn’t seen them since, at least. She supposed it wasn’t terribly unlikely that those two had pulled through. She resolved to keep an eye on them, however. It would be just like Hoid to show up as someone long thought dead. And she wanted no part in the trouble he would bring.

I’m going to hold off on voting for now, partly because most of the players who haven’t posted yet haven’t even been on yet, so voting for them seems pointless.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I'm here, so if you want you can vote for me now that I've seen stuff. We really don't know anything, but I'll throw a vote on pirh2 just because he/she? tends to be fairly vocal and erratic.

 

Edit: Greened vote, although you didn't really say much.

Edited November 15, 2014 by Araris Valerian

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Sorry, woke up rather late and don't have much time to say anything before I head off for the rest of the morning and all afternoon. I'll RP a bit when I get back. Vote-wise, I would flag up Mailliw, but he's having difficulty logging into the site apparently, so... Where is the last of the Sharders? Where is Satrams?

 

However, I will just put something up for discussion - whether it's best to actually lynch someone or not in this game. Considering there is just one person on the Evil side, we would have to get extraordinarily lucky to get them on the first day, when we have no evidence at all. We are almost guaranteed to kill an innocent. However, I guess that since Hoid can't kill, that also means we won't really have any evidence the next day either... What do other people think?

 

For that matter, would a mass roleclaim be of use? It would drastically reduce the number of places where Hoid can hide (as he would probably need to hide in the powerless lot, or risk claiming a role someone else already has), and while it does mean he has information about who to go for, we would already be highly wary of the people with roles and the possibility of them being subverted anyway. Again, just putting this up for discussion.

Edited November 15, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Surgebound Rainspren he/him]

I'm going to vote for Lucy, totally evil!

Edited November 16, 2014 by Surgebound Rainspren

[Metacognition he/him]

Karlin: Votes are done in red typically. Considering so many people have had difficulties with the color editor (hi, Jain!), here is what I've noticed with this site which should help you and everyone else, going forward. The color editor works off of how/when you highlight something. If you don't mind, I'll use your post as an example. 

 

If you type: "I'm going to vote for Lucy, totally evil!" and then you highlight "Lucy" and set it for red, it will post as follows: I'm going to vote for Lucy, totally evil!"

 

Now, let's say that you type it up that way and then decide to highlight everything and change the text color to blue. Here's what you think would happen: "I'm going to vote for Lucy, totally evil!" 

 

That isn't what will happen though. What you end up with is exactly what you wound up getting: "I'm going to vote for Lucy, totally evil!"

 

If you highlight text that you've already changed the color to, it will only recognize the last color change you did to it. 

 

So if you're you're trying to type out, "I'm going to vote for Lucy, totally evil!" then first change the color of everything to blue and then change the color of the individual text; in this case, "Lucy." 

 

I'm leaving this as is, so as to show how the color coding works, as far as I've seen it work for me. Hopefully this helps players in the future. Obviously, this isn't my character trying to explain it... or could it?

Edited November 15, 2014 by Metacognition

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@Wyrm, those are good. points. The only way we could really find Hoid is through seeking or through looking at the daily votes, and since there is only one of him then that could be a struggle. However, once we take down all of the converted, he won't be able to kills us and we should have a pretty solid chance of finding him before we lynch all of ourselves. I think that I'm cool with no lynch today, since we will be twice as likely to get a hit tomorrow and people on our team can use powers and such as well.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Aili remembered some of these people from her brief stint at the Riots on Kholinar. She didn't see anyone else from her homeworld of Nalthis though. Maw had plenty of people from his world, the Allomancers, kandra, and Inquisitors were everywhere. Damon was quiet though. She was sitting in the back, saying nothing. Aili remembered hearing about how Damon had done that in a city of steel to hide her true evilness.

[Metacognition he/him]

M didn't like how many people were still hiding in the shadows or only wanting it to be known that they were here. The second ones weren't giving him much to work with to establish a personality profile to weigh against later, in case of conversion. That made them unknown factors and he preferred to be that unknown element! At least Aonar was among those that were here, though his responses didn't allay any of M's doubts about him. 

 

Unfortunately, Heron was right, they weren't likely to find Hoid on the first day. Hoid was far too clever for that, but without the early discussion, they wouldn't ever find him! 

[Newan he/him]

Probably doesn't mean much, but Hadrian Penrod was the first to put a second vote on somebody, even though there were others who hadn't posted or been voted for yet.  

 

Also, Karlin, why is Lucy evil?

Edited November 15, 2014 by Newan

[Sart he/him]

 

The last time we as a group intervened in Politics, Kholinar rioted. 22 people were killed, including 3 of our own. We will not let that happen again.

Satrams remained silent. He was indirectly responsible for those deaths, and yet they still didn't manage to kill Hoid. He had begun to suspect that one of his previous employers was actually Hoid the whole time. He suspected Heron the most; after all, he had seen the man die. However, he agreed with the group's consensus. A lynch today would be very counter-productive. They were much more likely to lynch another innocent instead of their target. He chose to remain silent. After all, there was no telling how Hoid could influence the vote.

 

While I agree that a lynch isn't a good thing, I'm worried about Hoid changing the vote. He might decide to seek someone in order to get better converts, but he could also choose to kill a player, even if they only have one vote on them. That could be dangerous, especially if an experienced player is on the chopping block. I'm not sure what we can do about this, but it's something to take into consideration.

[Alvron]

Question for our overseer GM, if someone has one vote on them and no one else has any, will that person be lynched or does it require two or more votes?

[luckat she/her]

Lucy jumped at a mention of her name. Someone had noticed her. She supposed she really ought to wear more neutral clothes. Fortunately, his attention didn’t seem to stay on her for long. She resolved to keep an eye on him. The raving from M shook her though. It was a moment before she realized he wasn’t actually saying he wanted her dead. Or did he?
 

However, I will just put something up for discussion - whether it's best to actually lynch someone or not in this game. Considering there is just one person on the Evil side, we would have to get extraordinarily lucky to get them on the first day, when we have no evidence at all. We are almost guaranteed to kill an innocent. However, I guess that since Hoid can't kill, that also means we won't really have any evidence the next day either... What do other people think?

 
I agree that a lynch wouldn’t be ideal yet, since it’s so unlikely to kill Hoid at this point, and we’d be more likely to get him or his new convert tomorrow if we wait. That doesn’t mean we should hold back votes and discussion now though. There’s also the question of how we’d stop a lynch. If we try to force a tie, that gives Hoid the power to control the lynch with soothing (which wouldn’t really give us much information since he hasn’t converted anyone yet) and it might put votes on people for no reason which might be relevant in tie breakers in future cycles. And it might not be feasible to get everyone to retract their votes.
 

For that matter, would a mass roleclaim be of use? It would drastically reduce the number of places where Hoid can hide (as he would probably need to hide in the powerless lot, or risk claiming a role someone else already has), and while it does mean he has information about who to go for, we would already be highly wary of the people with roles and the possibility of them being subverted anyway. Again, just putting this up for discussion.

I don’t think it would be a good idea for everyone to claim their roles publicly. It leaves the Researcher and Letter Bearer wide open for killing or conversion. And I don’t think it really would make it harder for Hoid to hide since if Meta’s analysis of the number of roles is correct, that still leaves half of the group as role-less or Hoid, and I’m not convinced that there’s as many duplicates as he says.


Also, here’s a current (as of 7 posts down) vote tally:
Heron (1): M
Second of the Sky (1): Aonar
Hadrian (1): Heron
Damon (1): Aili

The only player yet to post is Damon, and he’s been on.
Also, three people retracted their votes without posting about it. That makes keeping a running total a little hard, you know. 

Edited November 15, 2014 by luckat

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Voting Clarifications:

A person must have at least two votes to be lynched.

Hoid can change no-votes.

If you have multiple votes, the first one that hasn't been retracted Is your vote. (I say this because Meta is technically voting for Lucy right now, though I'm ignoring that for this Cycle)

[Mailliw73 he/him]

So any core must be greened out in the original post?

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Another vision. This made three hundred and seventy-four. He'd died in each and every one, as well. Sometimes it took him seconds, and in others it took minutes. And each time, he felt the pain, as though the knife was real, as though the bullet was real, as though the rending claw of the Chasmfiend was real. His hand subconsciously went under his shirt to itch the spike responsible for this, his allomantic electrum spike.

 

He shook his head to ward away the illness he felt from his most recent death, and picked up the book he had at his side. It was his personal notebook, and it contained all the information he had gathered on the subject of hemalurgy. Of course, he was the test subject in all of these experiments. He scoured his notes for a reason for it, his eyes drifting up at times as voices were raised. Aonar, Sarams, Lucy, Ren- no, not Ren. Not in this vision. Was it a vision? He couldn't tell. Sometimes it became difficult to say what was reality, and what was merely the possibility being laid out before him.

 

Aonar's jaunt through time wasn't helping either. It was playing tricks on his mind, messing with his allomantic electrum's ability to see the future. Or maybe other aspects of hemalurgy were. He'd been feeling this way for longer than he had been back at this time, after all. His notes indicated that it weakened your mind, made you more susceptible to Ruin. But Ruin was no longer alive. Except, was he now? He didn't know. Either way, it didn't matter.

 

The one who called himself 'M' didn't seem to like him. That wasn't too surprising. He kept himself to himself mostly, and he had voiced an opinion out of nowhere, as well. "I never said that we should not discuss what to do, only if we want to commit ourselves this early." He shook his head. "If my opinions are not wanted, then I could just not voice them. Though I suppose it's interesting that Hadrian was apparently only half-listening..."

 

I'm glad that someone is discussing my idea for the roleclaim. My thoughts about that was whether or not it was more beneficial to have these things out in the open or not, considering we can keep an eye on certain players, and gain a lot of information. It could, however, as you say, lead us down the wrong path if there are duplicate roles. As I say, we need to discuss this more before we commit to it.

 

Also, can people stop replying when I'm trying to reply? Keep having to check things again >>.

Edited November 17, 2014 by little wilson
here's some electrum for that gold

[Newan he/him]

The most important thing is that Hoid doesn't convert the Letter Bearer.  The ability to read all of our PMs is very powerful.  Always remember that they are not 100% secure.  

[Sart he/him]

Quick question about PMs. Do both the sender and the recipient have to approve open communication? For instance, Player A decides to send a PM to Player B. Does Player B have to send a PM to Player A for the conversation to work? This assumes that the Letter Bearer agrees to all of this.

[luckat she/her]

So any core must be greened out in the original post?

 

The green doesn't have to be in the original post. Meta's retraction for Aonar worked with him leaving the original vote red. He just had to put the name in green somewhere.

 

I'm glad that someone is discussing my idea for the roleclaim. My thoughts about that was whether or not it was more beneficial to have these things out in the open or not, considering we can keep an eye on certain players, and gain a lot of information. It could, however, as you say, lead us down the wrong path if there are duplicate roles. As I say, we need to discuss this more before we commit to it.

I think that it would make it very likely for us to lose the help of our Researcher. Either Hoid will kill them, or he'll convert them, or we'll think he converted them when he hasn't and we'll lynch them. I can't see that turning out well. And if any Nurses come forward they will be in danger or will end up using their powers just to protect themselves. And we don't want to lynch two of a role if it turns out there actually are two of it.

 

The most important thing is that Hoid doesn't convert the Letter Bearer.  The ability to read all of our PMs is very powerful.  Always remember that they are not 100% secure.  

 

I agree with this. It's possible that Hoid would think learning about everyone's communications is worth potentially losing a convert.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

 

Quick question about PMs. Do both the sender and the recipient have to approve open communication? For instance, Player A decides to send a PM to Player B. Does Player B have to send a PM to Player A for the conversation to work? This assumes that the Letter Bearer agrees to all of this.

Player A sends me the orders to start a Conversation with Player C. I ask the LB if this is allowed. LB replies yes, and names a Time. At that Time, I start a PM with Players A and C. So C is never consulted until the PM is up and running.

Edited November 16, 2014 by The Only Joe

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I think revealing roles might be a better idea after Hoid has used up some of his conversions so that we don't lose as many critical roles. There is a balance between losing good roles and having the knowledge of who the Converted are more likely to be. We could hold an official vote for a mass role reveal, and do it if over half of everyone thinks that it is a good idea. However, people with no roles are probably more likely to be targeted by lynches if the assumption that Hoid would claim no power is followed, and that would result in a fair amount of disagreement to the plan.

 

Maybe, since Hoid can do vote changes, we should all just remove our votes from everyone for the rest of this cycle.

[Metacognition he/him]

Voting Clarifications:

A person must have at least two votes to be lynched.

Hoid can change no-votes.

If you have multiple votes, the first one that hasn't been retracted Is your vote. (I say this because Meta is technically voting for Lucy right now, though I'm ignoring that for this Cycle)

Wait, if anything, I'd still be voting for Aonar, unless you're saying that my clarification of how the color editor works is being taken as an actual vote... Am I being punished for trying to help people out, Joe? Cause that's not cool...

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I said that wasn't being counted this cycle. And you retracted your vote for Aonar When you voted for Heron. 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Just a Notice, this Cycle is officially ending at 9:00 PST on Sunday the 16th.