Radiant Reactions to Era 1 Scadrial

[Trusk'our he/him]

What if Rashek survived Vin's attack, allowing him to retake the Well of Ascension and maintain his empire?

Then, in a turn of events, Nightblood ends up killing Taravodium before he can pick up Honor.

Dalinar is encouraged by Wit and Cultivation to take note of other worlds now that Odium is no longer a threat (Cultivation maybe Shattering the unmanned Shard), and so he sends out a Radiant of each Order to Scadrial. 

 

Basically, what would each typical Radiant type think of TLR's Final Empire, and what would they do to interact with it?

[First of the Tide He/him]

Dustbringers: probably the most supportive. they like great power to have a great will behind it.  TLR has very great willpower, and is consolidating most of the power behind that will. They object to only destruction, and want creation to go alongside it. This aligns with TLR hating ruin. However they aggresively don't like civilian casualties, and Skaa die a lot on accident in TLR's empire, so they might advocate for better conditions.

[Returned he/him]

I have to think they'd be horrified by the Final Empire, or at least most of them would be. Whatever else it was it was almost totally indifferent to the lives of the skaa and also very focused around specific end results while kind of indifferent to the specific methods. That's in conflict with two of the three sentiments in the oath common to all Radiants, the life before death piece and the journey before destination piece.

Windrunners, Edgedancers, and Willshapers seem like they would have serious and inescapable opposition to the skaas' plight in particular. They'd oppose the Lord Ruler for sure, probably with basic methods similar to Kelsier's. As for the rest I'm not as sure they would be as fundamentally opposed, even if their interpretations of the first Radiant oath didn't drive them to try to bring it down. Skybreakers could probably find their peace with it.

At the same time I don't think that Rashek would be OK with people as powerful as Radiants operating on Scadrial even if they were ostensibly cooperating with him. He very much consolidated power in himself and kept his underlings weaker than they otherwise would have been with things like house wars and competition among the cantons of the Steel Ministry. I think that he would try to drive off or destroy the Radiants which would end up forcing them into conflict anyways.

[bmcclure7]

18 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

What if Rashek survived Vin's attack, allowing him to retake the Well of Ascension and maintain his empire?

Then, in a turn of events, Nightblood ends up killing Taravodium before he can pick up Honor.

Dalinar is encouraged by Wit and Cultivation to take note of other worlds now that Odium is no longer a threat (Cultivation maybe Shattering the unmanned Shard), and so he sends out a Radiant of each Order to Scadrial. 

 

Basically, what would each typical Radiant type think of TLR's Final Empire, and what would they do to interact with it?

If pair of even if both of its vessels died, odium would still be a threat they shard itself wants war honestly being joined with honors, probably the best outcome for it

13 hours ago, Returned said:

I have to think they'd be horrified by the Final Empire, or at least most of them would be. Whatever else it was it was almost totally indifferent to the lives of the skaa and also very focused around specific end results while kind of indifferent to the specific methods. That's in conflict with two of the three sentiments in the oath common to all Radiants, the life before death piece and the journey before destination piece.

Windrunners, Edgedancers, and Willshapers seem like they would have serious and inescapable opposition to the skaas' plight in particular. They'd oppose the Lord Ruler for sure, probably with basic methods similar to Kelsier's. As for the rest I'm not as sure they would be as fundamentally opposed, even if their interpretations of the first Radiant oath didn't drive them to try to bring it down. Skybreakers could probably find their peace with it.

At the same time I don't think that Rashek would be OK with people as powerful as Radiants operating on Scadrial even if they were ostensibly cooperating with him. He very much consolidated power in himself and kept his underlings weaker than they otherwise would have been with things like house wars and competition among the cantons of the Steel Ministry. I think that he would try to drive off or destroy the Radiants which would end up forcing them into conflict anyways.

Would be cool to see inquisitor versus Knight battle

[Nitpicking]

On 12/20/2025 at 5:03 AM, bmcclure7 said:

If pair of even if both of its vessels died, odium would still be a threat they shard itself wants war honestly being joined with honors, probably the best outcome for it

OP posited that Odium was splintered.

[Immortal Platypus]

7 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

OP posited that Odium was splintered.

technically not, he said the Vessel was dead (which is different). I think the assumption made is that Odium is splintered, but he's technically right. 

[Trusk'our he/him]

7 minutes ago, Immortal Platypus said:

technically not, he said the Vessel was dead (which is different). I think the assumption made is that Odium is splintered, but he's technically right. 

I did try to say Odium was Splintered- though maybe not very well.

Otherwise that Shard would still be a major problem to deal with, and it would be harder to justify my convoluted little scenario. 

[Immortal Platypus]

1 minute ago, Trusk'our said:

I did try to say Odium was Splintered- though maybe not very well.

Otherwise that Shard would still be a major problem to deal with, and it would be harder to justify my convoluted little scenario. 

I think the clearest way to say it would just be to add a little bit at the end of the second sentence saying "and Odium is splintered", pictured below for reference

 

On 12/19/2025 at 8:40 AM, Trusk'our said:

What if Rashek survived Vin's attack, allowing him to retake the Well of Ascension and maintain his empire?

Then, in a turn of events, Nightblood ends up killing Taravodium before he can pick up Honor and Odium is splintered.

Dalinar is encouraged by Wit and Cultivation to take note of other worlds now that Odium is no longer a threat (Cultivation maybe Shattering the unmanned Shard), and so he sends out a Radiant of each Order to Scadrial. 

 

Basically, what would each typical Radiant type think of TLR's Final Empire, and what would they do to interact with it?

 

[Nitpicking]

6 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

I did try to say Odium was Splintered- though maybe not very well.

You wrote "shattered". Means the same thing in this case, but Brandon's people (in-world) refer to "splintered" for Shards and "the Shattering" for Adonalsium.

Note: in my reply I originally typed "shattered" myself, but then my nitpicking reflexes kicked in and I corrected what I had typed.