Unoathed vs. Mistborn

[Frustration]

I think the mistborn's best chance here us to stay in the air and hopefully out of range, while raining coins down.

The unoathed can of course throw their shardblade, and potentially turn it into a javelin for better aerodynamics, though I don't remember if they can shape change the weapons.

Of course plate is largely immune to coins, but I suppose they could take duralumin shots from above, even if it would launch them upwards as well.

 

It also depends on whether an unoathed could figure out that shardblades can cut steel lines or not, though I think this interaction to be a pretty easy discovery during the fight.

Spoiler

Oneyespike (paraphrased)

Can a Shardblade interrupt iron or steel lines?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

*after mulling it over a bit, he was very interested in this question* "It would be theoretically possible, because steel lines manifest themselves on the Spiritual Realm. Also, there are other things that can cut/interfere with steel lines."

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/70/#e2796

 

 

 

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

32 minutes ago, Frustration said:

I think the mistborn's best chance here us to stay in the air and hopefully out of range, while raining coins down.

The unoathed can of course throw their shardblade, and potentially turn it into a javelin for better aerodynamics, though I don't remember if they can shape change the weapons.

Of course plate is largely immune to coins, but I suppose they could take duralumin shots from above, even if it would launch them upwards as well.

 

It also depends on whether an unoathed could figure out that shardblades can cut steel lines or not, though I think this interaction to be a pretty easy discovery during the fight.

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Oneyespike (paraphrased)

Can a Shardblade interrupt iron or steel lines?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

*after mulling it over a bit, he was very interested in this question* "It would be theoretically possible, because steel lines manifest themselves on the Spiritual Realm. Also, there are other things that can cut/interfere with steel lines."

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/70/#e2796

 

 

 

Duralumin shots in the air would be incredibly dangerous. You might have enough time after your duralumin steel push to quickly restock, but you would be out of steel for a few crucial moments in the air, leaving you at least very vulnerable.

And how much knowledge do they have, frustrations?

[Frustration]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Dokja said:

Duralumin shots in the air would be incredibly dangerous. You might have enough time after your duralumin steel push to quickly restock, but you would be out of steel for a few crucial moments in the air, leaving you at least very vulnerable.

I'd agree, but I don't see a lot of other options to get away, shardblades just have insane reach.

 

1 hour ago, Ookla the Dokja said:

And how much knowledge do they have, frustrations?

I was imagining not a lot, which is why I wonder about it, but I think the mistborn trying to jump and the blade cutting the steel line underneath them would be a more likely interaction to occur.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

I'd agree, but I don't see a lot of other options to get away, shardblades just have insane reach.

 

I was imagining not a lot, which is why I wonder about it, but I think the mistborn trying to jump and the blade cutting the steel line underneath them would be a more likely interaction to occur.

Without perfect knowledge, I doubt the mustborn would be able to plan accordingly.

[Aliroz-The-Confused]

2 hours ago, Ookla the Dokja said:

Without perfect knowledge, I doubt the mustborn would be able to plan accordingly.

I can't stop laughing at this typo, because mustborn sounds like what would have happened if mister Sanderson had been incredibly hungry while writing and based a magic system around condiments instead of metals.  Ferranchemy, Hotsaucealurgy.  

[Through the Living Shadow he/him]

4 hours ago, Ookla the Dokja said:

Duralumin shots in the air would be incredibly dangerous. You might have enough time after your duralumin steel push to quickly restock, but you would be out of steel for a few crucial moments in the air, leaving you at least very vulnerable.

And how much knowledge do they have, frustrations?

Additionally, duralumin downwards is like...

not a good idea

yay you get to get launched in the air and have to position your coin in exactly the right position underneath you to hit them, otherwise it misses and you get launched into the air way out of range and the shardbearer has time to plan

oh no you're out of steel? hope you didn't drink all of it

if you did position yourself correctly, the shardbearer can use their blade to block

 

oh ya guys shardplate can break but shardblades cant

make an shield wall thing, block steel pushes, rush mistborn

fun fact an unoathed is much heavier than a mistborn

try to block 1.5-1.6 thousand pounds jumping at you at hectic speeds with a coin, dont worry you will only get squished a little bit.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

3 hours ago, Aliroz-The-Confused said:

I can't stop laughing at this typo, because mustborn sounds like what would have happened if mister Sanderson had been incredibly hungry while writing and based a magic system around condiments instead of metals.  Ferranchemy, Hotsaucealurgy.  

lol

2 hours ago, Ookla the Ansible said:

Additionally, duralumin downwards is like...

not a good idea

yay you get to get launched in the air and have to position your coin in exactly the right position underneath you to hit them, otherwise it misses and you get launched into the air way out of range and the shardbearer has time to plan

oh no you're out of steel? hope you didn't drink all of it

if you did position yourself correctly, the shardbearer can use their blade to block

 

oh ya guys shardplate can break but shardblades cant

make an shield wall thing, block steel pushes, rush mistborn

fun fact an unoathed is much heavier than a mistborn

try to block 1.5-1.6 thousand pounds jumping at you at hectic speeds with a coin, dont worry you will only get squished a little bit.

Literally what I’ve been saying

[Duxredux he/him]

14 hours ago, First of the Tide said:

if so, how far away can they summon it I can't remember.

TSM ending would imply that a Shardblade can be summoned at interplanetary distances. No idea on the latency.

 

22 hours ago, First of the Tide said:

Also, Unoathed can just pull a Kal+Shallan and put a chestplate on the mistborn, which, if it blocks iron/steel pull/pushes like we're kind of assuming, will drop them from the sky, and there's no way for them to get away. 

Possible, but risky. That would put their Plate at point blank range for a Duralumin enhanced Pewter or Steel strike potentially demolishing the Plate sections you sent over. Break the chestplate, and the rest of the armor becomes much less functional (see Adolin's duel in WoR). Not saying that it couldn't work, just that it's not a guaranteed victory.

 

Too many undefined aspects. Assuming they are fighting tactically and at least as optimally as a relatively nomal person dropped into a death match and not driven into a Thrill-crazed punch out. A fight on a plateau of the Shattered Plains is a much different prospect compared to downtown Luthadel. Debris, environmental metals, size of arena, visual cover, resource caps and more make this complicated. I'll just run down a few strategies that I might try to employ if I were training either side.

 

-Unoathed-  

Depends on the degree of training they've had at commanding their Blade to change shape or persist after leaving their hand. If they can resummon at will and throw their Blade, then they feasibly have a Plate-enhanced thrown Shardspear that would punch through just about anything. That's a terrifying ranged option that treats cover like tissue paper (think Huio in Dawnshard). Reduction of the ten heart beat cooldown makes this extremely dangerous. Add that with throwing any sort of environmental debris and their ability to take down a Mistborn is becomes much more viable depending on how good their throwing arm is. I will note that while a Radiant can probably just close their helmet visor and hold their breath for hours on end, a normal Unoathed might have issues if they frequently seal their helmet. Now granted Shardbearers are trained to protect the eyeslit, but that's still one of the more obvious sections for the Mistborn to target. Basically try to close distance and use thrown objects to try to get the Mistborn into an untenable position - summoning the Shardblade as a shield when needed to block heavier attacks if opportunity allows. If you're unsure on these, just think about how Shardplate is actually deployed and fought against - 

 

-Mistborn-

Enivronment matters so much more on the Mistborn side. Limit them to coins, and yeah, it's a really tough match. Let them scale buildings and try to drop heavier objects on them, or moving out to areas that someone weighing over 1500 lbs can't reasonably follow them, and they have a lot more options. Sure, a Shardbearer could conceivably just cut down a tower, but that's still risky to attempt. If the environment allows for it, cat and mouse, hit and run tactics where Tin will let them pretty effectively track where the Unoathed is. At range, launch projectiles to damage plate and drain Stormlight. If they get close, use Bendalloy for fine maneuvering, possibly going for a quick kill through the eyeslit before bailing. If they can conceivably stretch the conflict for hours, Pewter will let them stay awake long past the Unoathed could manage without Stormlight enhancement. The Mistborn's kit allows for evasion and strikes that are difficult to train against without someone with their powerset - Bendalloy, Steel, and Iron in particular I think would be pretty tough to anticipate. Actually, if you sent a well-stocked Vin with a field of Koloss swords like during the Siege of Luthadel, I think she could clobber most Shardbearers. 

 

 

[DoctaDajman]

On 12/17/2025 at 2:07 PM, Frustration said:

I think the mistborn's best chance here us to stay in the air and hopefully out of range, while raining coins down.

The unoathed can of course throw their shardblade, and potentially turn it into a javelin for better aerodynamics, though I don't remember if they can shape change the weapons.

Of course plate is largely immune to coins, but I suppose they could take duralumin shots from above, even if it would launch them upwards as well.

 

It also depends on whether an unoathed could figure out that shardblades can cut steel lines or not, though I think this interaction to be a pretty easy discovery during the fight.

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Oneyespike (paraphrased)

Can a Shardblade interrupt iron or steel lines?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

*after mulling it over a bit, he was very interested in this question* "It would be theoretically possible, because steel lines manifest themselves on the Spiritual Realm. Also, there are other things that can cut/interfere with steel lines."

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/70/#e2796

 

 

 

I do assume a duralumin shot would crack the lesser spren that make up plate but what about a shard-shield made from the radiant spren in place of the shardblade. I dont know that even duralumin steel pushes would be able to generate the force necessary to crack or shatter a shardblade. The unoathed could literally just sit around with a shield absorbing the strikes from the mistborn. I dont see how turtle strat doesnt win this one. The plate and blade are both now living. So long as the unoathed is patient the mistborn cant win. 

Heck they could even lay down, shape the shardblade into a towershield big enough to cover them nearly entirely and wait for the mistborn to give up and walk away. 

I guess the terms of the fight are that both want the other dead. But the mistborns only real weapon against them in the fight is mitigated entirely by the blade being used instead as a shield. I dont see the living blade / shield having any of the limitations and tendency to break that I see with the plate.

I have often thought that plate cracks and crumbles as individual spren making it up have their will broken from direct shots. I just dont think that we will see any of that from a greater radiant type spren blade. No way a duralumin push will be worse than clashing with Nightblood.  

The napping could be a bad idea for other reasons. What would a stomach full of chromium and duralumin do if a mistborn burnt it while touching the spren blade or shield?  

[bmcclure7]

On 12/16/2025 at 8:22 PM, Frustration said:

Well I've been saying for years that I thought that someone with living plate and blade could take a mistborn.

 

Now we actually have a group of people who have these living Shards without surges.

 

So let's say some Chthulu alien monster from the beyond grabs an era 1 mistborn, gives them a set of sixteen metals and some coins, and a trained unoathed and dumps them in an arena across from each other.

That same alien fills them with an overpowering lust for blood.

Fight.

Mistborn wins remember what zseth did where he broke plate. Using only his own momentum you could accomplish the same feet with Steel pewter and Duralumin metal.

Let’s also not forget that with Duralumin the Miss Board should be able to push and pull on the plate itself, perhaps even the shard blade.

worst case scenario the Mistborn can always retreat, whereas the un oath cannot

 

5 hours ago, DoctaDajman said:

I do assume a duralumin shot would crack the lesser spren that make up plate but what about a shard-shield made from the radiant spren in place of the shardblade. I dont know that even duralumin steel pushes would be able to generate the force necessary to crack or shatter a shardblade. The unoathed could literally just sit around with a shield absorbing the strikes from the mistborn. I dont see how turtle strat doesnt win this one. The plate and blade are both now living. So long as the unoathed is patient the mistborn cant win. 

Heck they could even lay down, shape the shardblade into a towershield big enough to cover them nearly entirely and wait for the mistborn to give up and walk away. 

I guess the terms of the fight are that both want the other dead. But the mistborns only real weapon against them in the fight is mitigated entirely by the blade being used instead as a shield. I dont see the living blade / shield having any of the limitations and tendency to break that I see with the plate.

I have often thought that plate cracks and crumbles as individual spren making it up have their will broken from direct shots. I just dont think that we will see any of that from a greater radiant type spren blade. No way a duralumin push will be worse than clashing with Nightblood.  

The napping could be a bad idea for other reasons. What would a stomach full of chromium and duralumin do if a mistborn burnt it while touching the spren blade or shield?  

That’s hardly their only weapon 
 

1. They have their own body. You can use your own bodies momentum to break through plate as seen in book one
 

2. They have literally any metal that might be in the environment. 
 

3. They could easily set up coins in specific locations to attack them from multiple angles if it was absolutely necessity that they restrict themselves to coins

[DoctaDajman]

4 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

Mistborn wins remember what zseth did where he broke plate. Using only his own momentum you could accomplish the same feet with Steel pewter and Duralumin metal.

Let’s also not forget that with Duralumin the Miss Board should be able to push and pull on the plate itself, perhaps even the shard blade.

worst case scenario the Mistborn can always retreat, whereas the un oath cannot

 

That’s hardly their only weapon 
 

1. They have their own body. You can use your own bodies momentum to break through plate as seen in book one
 

2. They have literally any metal that might be in the environment. 
 

3. They could easily set up coins in specific locations to attack them from multiple angles if it was absolutely necessity that they restrict themselves to coins

If the terms of the fight at that the mistborn has no atium and no firearms they get bodied. 

My purpose of the post was to inquire whether anything can hurt a shardblade the way a duralumin push may crack plate. 

Yes duralumin fueled pewter would probably make a fine attack but it is only one time use and if the shardbearer gets a single hit off on a blade the fight is over. 

Note that when Kaladin kicked the plate his legs snapped and required healing. I am a big fan of duralumin fueled pewter and have made a few posts of the absurdity of it. Personally I think it may even be enough to stop the damage from a terminal velocity fall. I have a ton of faith in it. But in order for the mistborn to get that kind of attack off they would have to be in range and safely so. 

I think if the shardbearer grew a shield against it the attack would do absolutely nothing to the Shard shield. Or they can grow a blade and use it.  

We often limit shardblades to big bulky weapons. If a shardbearer can move a 6 foot long fantasy sized weapon as fast as they do imagine one turning their shardblade into a more reasonably sized saber or small sword. You dont need mass against the mistborn. A super thin blade moving at a shardplate enhanced speed of a fencer would need only the flick of a wrist to take out the mistborn. The unoathed does not have to fight using shardblade stances that limited deadeyes. Instant resummoning of the blade is also an issue. 

Even duralumin I dont think will allow for pushing or pulling plate. It is just so invested and more so now. 

[Frustration]

6 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

Mistborn wins remember what zseth did where he broke plate. Using only his own momentum you could accomplish the same feet with Steel pewter and Duralumin metal.

It was Kaladin in book two, Szeth used his Honorblade. Kaladin lashed himself several dozens of times towards the shardbearer.

And Kaladin did not break plate, he cracked it, and shattered his legs doing so. Something a Mistborn cannot recover from in any significant amount of time.

While yes a duralumin punch could Crack plate:

1. That leaves them vulnerable as they no longer have pewter, and the unoatheds retaliation immediately ends them

2. Requires them to get in close quarters.

Here's a video where some sword enthusiasts made a giant sword for testing purposes. Even with the other guy using a weapon that could block the attack he still lost every single bout.

The mistborn stands zero chance in close quarters.

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/xg7Edq0LYb8?si=UrbuADj-JpydyoAw

 

7 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

Let’s also not forget that with Duralumin the Miss Board should be able to push and pull on the plate itself, perhaps even the shard blade

Um, no.

That's not even close to enough.

Spoiler

Questioner

Are Shardblades Allomantically pushable?

 

 

Brandon Sanderson

By someone who has more power than anyone you've seen so far, yes.

 

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https://wob.coppermind.net/events/90/#e5258Trae Cooper (paraphrased)

Why are Invested objects like metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes able to be Pushed and Pulled on, but Shardblades and Shardplate, which are also invested, are not susceptible to Pushing and Pulling?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

There were a few concepts that he outlined in answering this question.

1.) The ability to Push/Pull an Invested object is predicated to the amount/power of the Investiture.

2.) Further, Invested objects also gain resistance to pulling/pushing based on proximity to soul possibly via the soul. An example given is that a Hemalurgic spike touches the blood of the person, and from there is now part of both the Spiritual Realm and the Physical Realm. This provides what Brandon termed a kind of "soul interference," based on its proximity to the soul.

This further explains why Vin required more than normal power to Push/Pull the metalminds from the Lord Ruler, because of their proximity to his soul, via the Spiritual Realm.

3.) The amount of Investiture is relatively low on Scadrial, whereas worlds like Sel and Roshar are pushing around "high power" according to Brandon. I interpreted this to mean that Hemalurgic spikes and metalminds have low amounts of Investiture compared to Shardplate and Shardblades.

Brandon said that theoretically you can Push/Pull Shardblades and Shardplates but you would need to wield an incredible amount of power. One example he gave that could so such as a thing is that if you were a Mistborn wielding the full power of the Well of Ascension, you could Push/Pull Shardblades/Plate.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/152/#e2801

 

 

So even TLR who had power beyond what anyone else has been shown to do even with Duralumin cannot push on blades or plate. And the example Brandon gave was using the Well of Ascension.

Not even a close contest.

 

[bmcclure7]

9 hours ago, DoctaDajman said:

If the terms of the fight at that the mistborn has no atium and no firearms they get bodied. 

My purpose of the post was to inquire whether anything can hurt a shardblade the way a duralumin push may crack plate. 

Yes duralumin fueled pewter would probably make a fine attack but it is only one time use and if the shardbearer gets a single hit off on a blade the fight is over. 

Note that when Kaladin kicked the plate his legs snapped and required healing. I am a big fan of duralumin fueled pewter and have made a few posts of the absurdity of it. Personally I think it may even be enough to stop the damage from a terminal velocity fall. I have a ton of faith in it. But in order for the mistborn to get that kind of attack off they would have to be in range and safely so. 

I think if the shardbearer grew a shield against it the attack would do absolutely nothing to the Shard shield. Or they can grow a blade and use it.  

We often limit shardblades to big bulky weapons. If a shardbearer can move a 6 foot long fantasy sized weapon as fast as they do imagine one turning their shardblade into a more reasonably sized saber or small sword. You dont need mass against the mistborn. A super thin blade moving at a shardplate enhanced speed of a fencer would need only the flick of a wrist to take out the mistborn. The unoathed does not have to fight using shardblade stances that limited deadeyes. Instant resummoning of the blade is also an issue. 

Even duralumin I dont think will allow for pushing or pulling plate. It is just so invested and more so now. 

No, read my post. There is no need for a firearm at all.  I wasn’t thinking of Durlumin pewter. You could probably survive the momentum attack with just pewter and steel. (remember Steel reinforces your body so you can survive moving at great momentums) reinforced this with pewter and should be more than enough. The only thing they need duralumin for his extra speed so steel.

 

and don’t compare kal into a Mistborn. Stormlight increases energy and healing not strength or durability 

6 hours ago, Frustration said:

It was Kaladin in book two, Szeth used his Honorblade. Kaladin lashed himself several dozens of times towards the shardbearer.

And Kaladin did not break plate, he cracked it, and shattered his legs doing so. Something a Mistborn cannot recover from in any significant amount of time.

While yes a duralumin punch could Crack plate:

1. That leaves them vulnerable as they no longer have pewter, and the unoatheds retaliation immediately ends them

2. Requires them to get in close quarters.

Here's a video where some sword enthusiasts made a giant sword for testing purposes. Even with the other guy using a weapon that could block the attack he still lost every single bout.

The mistborn stands zero chance in close quarters.

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https://youtu.be/xg7Edq0LYb8?si=UrbuADj-JpydyoAw

 

Um, no.

That's not even close to enough.

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Questioner

Are Shardblades Allomantically pushable?

 

 

Brandon Sanderson

By someone who has more power than anyone you've seen so far, yes.

 

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https://wob.coppermind.net/events/90/#e5258Trae Cooper (paraphrased)

Why are Invested objects like metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes able to be Pushed and Pulled on, but Shardblades and Shardplate, which are also invested, are not susceptible to Pushing and Pulling?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

There were a few concepts that he outlined in answering this question.

1.) The ability to Push/Pull an Invested object is predicated to the amount/power of the Investiture.

2.) Further, Invested objects also gain resistance to pulling/pushing based on proximity to soul possibly via the soul. An example given is that a Hemalurgic spike touches the blood of the person, and from there is now part of both the Spiritual Realm and the Physical Realm. This provides what Brandon termed a kind of "soul interference," based on its proximity to the soul.

This further explains why Vin required more than normal power to Push/Pull the metalminds from the Lord Ruler, because of their proximity to his soul, via the Spiritual Realm.

3.) The amount of Investiture is relatively low on Scadrial, whereas worlds like Sel and Roshar are pushing around "high power" according to Brandon. I interpreted this to mean that Hemalurgic spikes and metalminds have low amounts of Investiture compared to Shardplate and Shardblades.

Brandon said that theoretically you can Push/Pull Shardblades and Shardplates but you would need to wield an incredible amount of power. One example he gave that could so such as a thing is that if you were a Mistborn wielding the full power of the Well of Ascension, you could Push/Pull Shardblades/Plate.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/152/#e2801

 

 

So even TLR who had power beyond what anyone else has been shown to do even with Duralumin cannot push on blades or plate. And the example Brandon gave was using the Well of Ascension.

Not even a close contest.

 

Again, you are comparing someone with Stormlight to someone with pewter they do not compare and do very different things.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2025 by bmcclure7

[Cosmer]

Non-Stormlight-fueled Kaladin beat a shardbearer…not to mention several other “civilians” in Alethkar history beat shardbearing men without their own. 
 

Believe a talented Mistborn would have little trouble finding weak spots and leveraging their weight (and anchors) to beat down the Unoathed. Could take a while if the anchors are bad, but I just don’t see how they get hit themselves…they’re able to keep distance and/or use speed bubbles. 4 corners offense works sometimes!
 

I see zero threat from javelin attacks with the shardblade bc of Speed Bubbles. 
 

Now if you put this battle on the shattered plains with nowhere for the Mistborn to anchor themselves with coins this will be tough! 

[Frustration]

3 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

and don’t compare kal into a Mistborn. Stormlight increases energy and healing not strength or durability 

Stormlight does improve strength

List of references

Spoiler

WoK page 715

WoK 973

WoR 153

WoR 322

WoR 374

WoR 384

WoR 874

WoR 1022

WoR 1024-1025

I could keep going, but I think that's sufficient for my point.

 

Also thanks for reminding me to keep looking I found a reference(WoK 187) to how Dalinar in dead plate could jump vertically 8 Rosharan feet(8.8 Imperial).

Considering how living plate is stronger let's put that to an even nine feet(it's probably more but I'll lowball) and add the Shardblades additional 7, and a Radiant can attack people 16 feet in the air, even assuming they can't make spears or Halberds to get grater reach.

 

So I rescind my last statement, there's no way for a Mistborn to win. Even staying in the air does nothing.

1 hour ago, Cosmer said:

Non-Stormlight-fueled Kaladin beat a shardbearer…not to mention several other “civilians” in Alethkar history beat shardbearing men without their own. 

Kaladin is the only individual in living memory to do it(and he's cracked). Plus Helaran wasn't even focusing on Kaladin, which is a lot of why it worked.

Even Adolin, who is one of the greatest duelist ever wasn't able to pull it off.

Also most of the other individuals Tales are largely exaggerated, and at least(probably all) are outright lies, they didn't kill the shardbearer on the battlefield, they poisoned them.

Spoiler

Questioner

In The Way of Kings, in Kaladin’s post-Shardbearer-kill scene, he’s in Amaram’s tent. And he muses on the fact that he had killed a Shardbearer. He says, “I joined the likes of Evod Markmaker and Lanacin the Surefooted.” I imagine, like, a Zombieland style Shardbearer-killed weak [kill of the week] thing where they’re dropping pianos on him, and stuff. Would you happen to know how either of them killed their Shardbearers?

Brandon Sanderson

Both of those are held up as examples because they happened on the battlefield.

Now, at least one of those didn’t happen the way it’s actually recorded to have happened. They are held up kind of more in mythology because it’s very useful for the Shardbearers for non-Shardbearers to imagine the best way to kill a Shardbearer and get their Shards is to attack them on the battlefield. At least one of those was a poisoning. But that’s not how it’s mythologized.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/508/#e15880

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Cosmer said:

I Believe a talented Mistborn would have little trouble finding weak spots and leveraging their weight (and anchors) to beat down the Unoathed. Could take a while if the anchors are bad, but I just don’t see how they get hit themselves…they’re able to keep distance and/or use speed bubbles. 4 corners offense works sometimes!

The problem is that there are no weak spots.

Mistborn coins are repeatedly stopped by wooden shields in Era 1. They would have zero effect on Shardplate without duralumin.

At most they get three such shots off just due to metal constraints.

And three is the bare minimum needed.

1. To Crack plate

2. To break it

3. To kill.

I suppose that Unoathed not having healing means the third shot could be normal steel, but if they hit a shardshield, or the Unoathed can move their armor pieces around to cover their vitals after a section breaks that's it. The mistborn has no more kill power.

 

As for hitting the Mistborn a Shardbearer in deadplate can take a running leap and soar 10-12 Rosharan feet(11-13.2 Imperial) per WoR page 261. Combine that with their insane running speed and living plate having additional strength on top of that, and I don't see how they don't get hit.

1 hour ago, Cosmer said:

I see zero threat from javelin attacks with the shardblade bc of Speed Bubbles. 

But you can't put a speedbubble up in the air because they block steel pushes.

Likewise they would probably pop instantly if a shardblade hit them, but I admit that's speculation.

Edited December 21, 2025 by Frustration

[Cosmer]

@Frustration I feel like an anchored push in Era 1 was enough to puncture metal no (and likely crack plate)? But regardless, I think you’re more right than me…coins alone & in a non-modern society this is tough for a Mistborn. Keep your distance and slowly weaken the plate is the best option. Maybe hope you can get them off balance or airborne with some well placed pushes or pulls…a few hard landings certainly help here. This would not be a fun gameplan to watch…bad tv for sure. 
 

But we likely won’t see our first match up without loads of metal and perches around. Let the Mistborn have more than just coins and friendlier terrain…

 

Does Wax pre-Lerasium fare better in your mind (no gun)?

Edited December 21, 2025 by Cosmer

[Immortal Platypus]

10 hours ago, Frustration said:

It was Kaladin in book two, Szeth used his Honorblade. Kaladin lashed himself several dozens of times towards the shardbearer.

And Kaladin did not break plate, he cracked it, and shattered his legs doing so. Something a Mistborn cannot recover from in any significant amount of time.

While yes a duralumin punch could Crack plate:

1. That leaves them vulnerable as they no longer have pewter, and the unoatheds retaliation immediately ends them

2. Requires them to get in close quarters.

Here's a video where some sword enthusiasts made a giant sword for testing purposes. Even with the other guy using a weapon that could block the attack he still lost every single bout.

The mistborn stands zero chance in close quarters.

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https://youtu.be/xg7Edq0LYb8?si=UrbuADj-JpydyoAw

 

Um, no.

That's not even close to enough.

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Are Shardblades Allomantically pushable?

 

 

Brandon Sanderson

By someone who has more power than anyone you've seen so far, yes.

 

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https://wob.coppermind.net/events/90/#e5258Trae Cooper (paraphrased)

Why are Invested objects like metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes able to be Pushed and Pulled on, but Shardblades and Shardplate, which are also invested, are not susceptible to Pushing and Pulling?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

There were a few concepts that he outlined in answering this question.

1.) The ability to Push/Pull an Invested object is predicated to the amount/power of the Investiture.

2.) Further, Invested objects also gain resistance to pulling/pushing based on proximity to soul possibly via the soul. An example given is that a Hemalurgic spike touches the blood of the person, and from there is now part of both the Spiritual Realm and the Physical Realm. This provides what Brandon termed a kind of "soul interference," based on its proximity to the soul.

This further explains why Vin required more than normal power to Push/Pull the metalminds from the Lord Ruler, because of their proximity to his soul, via the Spiritual Realm.

3.) The amount of Investiture is relatively low on Scadrial, whereas worlds like Sel and Roshar are pushing around "high power" according to Brandon. I interpreted this to mean that Hemalurgic spikes and metalminds have low amounts of Investiture compared to Shardplate and Shardblades.

Brandon said that theoretically you can Push/Pull Shardblades and Shardplates but you would need to wield an incredible amount of power. One example he gave that could so such as a thing is that if you were a Mistborn wielding the full power of the Well of Ascension, you could Push/Pull Shardblades/Plate.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/152/#e2801

 

 

So even TLR who had power beyond what anyone else has been shown to do even with Duralumin cannot push on blades or plate. And the example Brandon gave was using the Well of Ascension.

Not even a close contest.

 

to be fair, while I agree with the idea that even with duralumin, Plate and Blade are unPushable, that's not quite what the WOB says. It's up to a matter of interpretation. Just because someone with Well of Ascension level strength could do it doesn't mean that someone with less power couldn't. (I will admit, this interpretation is a major stretch.) I also don't know if we have a really definitive amount that duralumin increases power by. It uses all their steel, so if they had enough, I think there's a feasible way that it might be able to push Plate, though it certainly wouldn't be worth it. Even if they got a Push off, it would probably barely move the Unoathed due to how weak of a push it would be, and then the Mistborn needs to restock steel before they can try anything.

2 hours ago, Cosmer said:

Non-Stormlight-fueled Kaladin beat a shardbearer…not to mention several other “civilians” in Alethkar history beat shardbearing men without their own. 
 

Believe a talented Mistborn would have little trouble finding weak spots and leveraging their weight (and anchors) to beat down the Unoathed. Could take a while if the anchors are bad, but I just don’t see how they get hit themselves…they’re able to keep distance and/or use speed bubbles. 4 corners offense works sometimes!
 

I see zero threat from javelin attacks with the shardblade bc of Speed Bubbles. 
 

Now if you put this battle on the shattered plains with nowhere for the Mistborn to anchor themselves with coins this will be tough! 

Kaladin killed a shardbearer with dead Plate, true. The problem with this analysis is several-fold:

1. Kaladin is John Stormlight, he has a nifty thing we call plot armor. The Mistborn here doesn't

2. The way he killed the Shardbearer was using the eye-slit. IIRC, the Unoathed's armor can seal the eye slit, just like a Radiant's Plate

3. One person doing something one time is a poor way to prove something is likely. Is it possible, given a certain chain of events that the Mistborn could win? Certainly. That's not what you're arguing for, however. You're saying they can win consistently. I would put money of the Shardbearer killing Kal 9 times out of 10.

4. (this one I'm not certain on, but IIRC) Kaladin had the element of surprise and the Shardbearer was surrounded by distractions. The Mistborn doesn't have that

5. 

44 minutes ago, Cosmer said:

@Frustration I feel like an anchored push in Era 1 was enough to puncture metal no (and likely crack plate)? But regardless, I think you’re more right than me…coins alone & in a non-modern society this is tough for a Mistborn. Keep your distance and slowly weaken the plate is the best option. Maybe hope you can get them off balance or airborne with some well placed pushes or pulls…a few hard landings certainly help here. This would not be a fun gameplan to watch…bad tv for sure. 
 

But we likely won’t see our first match up without loads of metal and perches around. Let the Mistborn have more than just coins and friendlier terrain…

 

Does Wax pre-Lerasium fare better in your mind (no gun)?

Wax would be absolutely screwed if he fought an Unoathed pre-Lerasium, especially if you take away his gun. I don't see any win-con, especially if the Unoathed helmet's eye-slit can seal with them still being able to see. He wouldn't have any of the pewter/duralumin advantages a Mistborn has, and F-Iron does not make up for that.

 

Also, @Frustration, does the Mistborn get restocks? I got the impression from the first post they didn't, but I haven't followed the whole thread. If so, how many vials of each metal do they have?

Edited December 21, 2025 by Ookla the Inactive

[Frustration]

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Inactive said:

to be fair, while I agree with the idea that even with duralumin, Plate and Blade are unPushable, that's not quite what the WOB says. It's up to a matter of interpretation. Just because someone with Well of Ascension level strength could do it doesn't mean that someone with less power couldn't. (I will admit, this interpretation is a major stretch.) I also don't know if we have a really definitive amount that duralumin increases power by. It uses all their steel, so if they had enough, I think there's a feasible way that it might be able to push Plate, though it certainly wouldn't be worth it. Even if they got a Push off, it would probably barely move the Unoathed due to how weak of a push it would be, and then the Mistborn needs to restock steel before they can try anything.

A fair point, but he did definitively state that no one we had seen had the power to do it, which includes TLR.

And he had the ability to push on tracemetals, sooth almost an entire city, push on metals inside of people and so much more.

[Immortal Platypus]

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

A fair point, but he did definitively state that no one we had seen had the power to do it, which includes TLR.

And he had the ability to push on tracemetals, sooth almost an entire city, push on metals inside of people and so much more.

when did he push tracemetals, I don't remember that at all? And correct me if I'm wrong, when he was soothing the entire city, wasn't that aided by his "soothing stations" around the city? He has tremendous power, but I do think that it sometimes gets exaggerated. 

Also, I edited it into my last post a minute or so ago, so I assume you didn't see it, so I'll just reask the question here. Does the Mistborn get restocks? I got the impression from the first post they didn't, but I haven't followed the whole thread. If so, how many vials of each metal do they have?

[Frustration]

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Inactive said:

when did he push tracemetals, I don't remember that at all? And correct me if I'm wrong, when he was soothing the entire city, wasn't that aided by his "soothing stations" around the city? He has tremendous power, but I do think that it sometimes gets exaggerated. 

He was pushing on rocks and glass in the fight at the end of TFE.

Though technically he was pushing on the metals in the staining on the glass as glass is Si2O and has no metal components.

As for the whole city, I mean it wasn't the entire thing clearly. Luthadel was massive, but it was a huge radius. That was a slight exaggeration I admit.

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Inactive said:

Also, I edited it into my last post a minute or so ago, so I assume you didn't see it, so I'll just reask the question here. Does the Mistborn get restocks? I got the impression from the first post they didn't, but I haven't followed the whole thread. If so, how many vials of each metal do they have?

They have any normal levels of equipment seen in the books, so 3-4 vials should be about right.

[bmcclure7]

5 hours ago, Frustration said:

Stormlight does improve strength

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WoK page 715

WoK 973

WoR 153

WoR 322

WoR 374

WoR 384

WoR 874

WoR 1022

WoR 1024-1025

I could keep going, but I think that's sufficient for my point.

 

Also thanks for reminding me to keep looking I found a reference(WoK 187) to how Dalinar in dead plate could jump vertically 8 Rosharan feet(8.8 Imperial).

Considering how living plate is stronger let's put that to an even nine feet(it's probably more but I'll lowball) and add the Shardblades additional 7, and a Radiant can attack people 16 feet in the air, even assuming they can't make spears or Halberds to get grater reach.

 

So I rescind my last statement, there's no way for a Mistborn to win. Even staying in the air does nothing.

Kaladin is the only individual in living memory to do it(and he's cracked). Plus Helaran wasn't even focusing on Kaladin, which is a lot of why it worked.

Even Adolin, who is one of the greatest duelist ever wasn't able to pull it off.

Also most of the other individuals Tales are largely exaggerated, and at least(probably all) are outright lies, they didn't kill the shardbearer on the battlefield, they poisoned them.

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In The Way of Kings, in Kaladin’s post-Shardbearer-kill scene, he’s in Amaram’s tent. And he muses on the fact that he had killed a Shardbearer. He says, “I joined the likes of Evod Markmaker and Lanacin the Surefooted.” I imagine, like, a Zombieland style Shardbearer-killed weak [kill of the week] thing where they’re dropping pianos on him, and stuff. Would you happen to know how either of them killed their Shardbearers?

Brandon Sanderson

Both of those are held up as examples because they happened on the battlefield.

Now, at least one of those didn’t happen the way it’s actually recorded to have happened. They are held up kind of more in mythology because it’s very useful for the Shardbearers for non-Shardbearers to imagine the best way to kill a Shardbearer and get their Shards is to attack them on the battlefield. At least one of those was a poisoning. But that’s not how it’s mythologized.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/508/#e15880

 

 

 

The problem is that there are no weak spots.

Mistborn coins are repeatedly stopped by wooden shields in Era 1. They would have zero effect on Shardplate without duralumin.

At most they get three such shots off just due to metal constraints.

And three is the bare minimum needed.

1. To Crack plate

2. To break it

3. To kill.

I suppose that Unoathed not having healing means the third shot could be normal steel, but if they hit a shardshield, or the Unoathed can move their armor pieces around to cover their vitals after a section breaks that's it. The mistborn has no more kill power.

 

As for hitting the Mistborn a Shardbearer in deadplate can take a running leap and soar 10-12 Rosharan feet(11-13.2 Imperial) per WoR page 261. Combine that with their insane running speed and living plate having additional strength on top of that, and I don't see how they don't get hit.

But you can't put a speedbubble up in the air because they block steel pushes.

Likewise they would probably pop instantly if a shardblade hit them, but I admit that's speculation.

That can’t be right I’m pretty sure there’s a literal wob that says this. I don’t have a printed copy of the book so I can’t look up these pages can someone else I am certain that nowhere in all storm like does it ever betray stormlight as in increasing strength. Energy yes but not strength.

 

8 feet is impressive to a normal human that compared to what a Mistborn is capable of not really a Mistborn is capable going much higher. 
 

If In The unoathed rearrange his armor then that would leave him vulnerable on some part of his body. the perfect opening for a Mistborn I could see tricking a unoathed to do just that.
 

As for his shard shield again, he can only protect himself from one angle. Whereas a Mistborn can make attack from several angles, so the shield is as good as useless .

 

 

Plot armor aside if Kal is capable of making the perfect shot to hit a person in plate in one place not perfected by armor as an ordinary man. Then surely a Mistborn is capable of a similar feat with far less plot armor.  Coinshots are deadly accurate.

 

Wax doesn’t need Duriluim he has all the power he needs. Thanks to his metal minds to bury the unoathed under debris. Maybe the unoathed could survive a literal building falling on him but he would be trapped

Edited December 21, 2025 by bmcclure7

[therunner he/him]

1 hour ago, bmcclure7 said:

That can’t be right I’m pretty sure there’s a literal wob that says this. I don’t have a printed copy of the book so I can’t look up these pages can someone else I am certain that nowhere in all storm like does it ever betray stormlight as in increasing strength. Energy yes but not strength.

From books it is quite clear that Stormlight does improve strength, as early as WoR Kaladin directly states this. 

From this thread of mine 

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Strength:
In discussions here and elsewhere, it is typically held that Stormlight does not enhance physical strength to superhuman levels (like Pewter). However, even in Way of Kings we can easily find evidence to the contrary.

In prologue:

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 The Shardbearer grunted, dropping to one knee, raising a hand to his side. Szeth raised a foot to the man’s side and shoved him backward with a Stormlight-enhanced kick. The heavy Shardbearer crashed into the door of the king’s quarters, smashing it and falling partway into the room beyond.

Plate weights at ~500 kg, and here Szeth kicks a Shardbearer through a door, specifically calling it Stormlight enhancend. This is certainly beyond human strength, Kaladin achieves similar feat by lashing dozens of times in WoR.


At the end, Teft specifically calls out Stormlight as strengthening and enhancing

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Teft had only a fragmentary recollection of the things his family had tried to teach him, but those memories all agreed. Stormlight did not grant skill. It could not make a man into something he was not. It enhanced, it strengthened, it invigorated.

Kaladin slams butt of the spear hard enough to shatter both it, and Parshendi carapace helm (which is comparable to steel)

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As that Parshendi fell, Kaladin pulled his spear free and slammed the end into a Parshendi head that had gotten too close. The butt of the spear shattered with a spray of wood, and the Parshendi’s carapace helm exploded.

Shattering wood + destroying steel helmet with a strike is certainly beyond human strength.

in WoR, Kaladin easily lifts Lopen while on Stormlight

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Taking a deep breath, he picked up Lopen—the slender man was startlingly easy to lift, particularly with a measure of Stormlight still inside Kaladin’s veins.

and later notes that Stormlight gives him extra strength and speed

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and the extra speed and strength the Stormlight lent.

Later in RoW, Kaladin matches Stormform in strength, and Stormform is noted to be stronger than Warform, which in turn is stronger than human. (don't have it on hand for citation, it is in the surgery room I think).

I'd estimate that Stormlight puts human at 1.5-2x the amount of usual strength at minimum (based on Lopen lifting, matching Stormform), with short bursts even beyond that (shattering carapace, kicking Shardbearer). But without a doubt it does grant superhuman strength.

 

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• TWoK:
  • Szeth kicking over Shardbearer (over 500 kg), with explicitly 'Stormlight-enhanced' kick.
  • Teft noting that all records agree that Stormlight strenghtens.
  • Kaladin noting improved speed and strength.
  • Kaladin literally shattering hardened wood and steel-like carapace.
• WoR:
  • Kaladin noting that Lopen feels lighter to lift when holding Stormlight. (which would not be the case if Stormlight only let you exert muscles more).
  • Kaladin noting after fight Lopen, Rock and Sigzil that instead of using Lashings, it would have been easier for him to fight the only with his Stormlight enhanced speed and strength.
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  • Bridge 4 sprints with the bridge the entire distance to Rock's families caravan, is effectively throwing the bridge across chasms, and the bridge is noted 'light as reed' (can be partially discounted as emotional state as well).
  • Kaladin notes that Rock pulling Shardbow (intended for Shardbearer 15x-20x as strong as human) could not be done with just Stormlight enhanced strength, as it does not improve strength 'vastly.' (from this we can conclude that "vastly"for Kaladin is Shardbearer-level increase in strength, so mere 50% increase could be 'small' increase it to him).
• RoW:
  • Kaladin lifting Warform in Hearthstone, noting his increased strength.
  • Venli noting she could use Stormlight to strengthen herself, to better keep up with Stormform.
  • Kaladin in RoW, when under influence of the Tower (which explicitly reduces effect of Stormlight) carrying Teft (noting additional strength) and grappling with Stormform (which is stronger than Warform, already stated to be about twice as strong as human).
  • Adolin explicitly noting superhuman strength of Radiants.

 

This is not exhaustive list of feats of improved strength, but I think it clearly illustrates that Stormlight enhances strength considerably.

Edited December 21, 2025 by therunner

[bmcclure7]

8 minutes ago, therunner said:

From books it is quite clear that Stormlight does improve strength, as early as WoR Kaladin directly states this. 

From this thread of mine 

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Strength:
In discussions here and elsewhere, it is typically held that Stormlight does not enhance physical strength to superhuman levels (like Pewter). However, even in Way of Kings we can easily find evidence to the contrary.

In prologue:

Plate weights at ~500 kg, and here Szeth kicks a Shardbearer through a door, specifically calling it Stormlight enhancend. This is certainly beyond human strength, Kaladin achieves similar feat by lashing dozens of times in WoR.


At the end, Teft specifically calls out Stormlight as strengthening and enhancing

Kaladin slams butt of the spear hard enough to shatter both it, and Parshendi carapace helm (which is comparable to steel)

Shattering wood + destroying steel helmet with a strike is certainly beyond human strength.

in WoR, Kaladin easily lifts Lopen while on Stormlight

and later notes that Stormlight gives him extra strength and speed

Later in RoW, Kaladin matches Stormform in strength, and Stormform is noted to be stronger than Warform, which in turn is stronger than human. (don't have it on hand for citation, it is in the surgery room I think).

I'd estimate that Stormlight puts human at 1.5-2x the amount of usual strength at minimum (based on Lopen lifting, matching Stormform), with short bursts even beyond that (shattering carapace, kicking Shardbearer). But without a doubt it does grant superhuman strength.

 

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• TWoK:
  • Szeth kicking over Shardbearer (over 500 kg), with explicitly 'Stormlight-enhanced' kick.
  • Teft noting that all records agree that Stormlight strenghtens.
  • Kaladin noting improved speed and strength.
  • Kaladin literally shattering hardened wood and steel-like carapace.
• WoR:
  • Kaladin noting that Lopen feels lighter to lift when holding Stormlight. (which would not be the case if Stormlight only let you exert muscles more).
  • Kaladin noting after fight Lopen, Rock and Sigzil that instead of using Lashings, it would have been easier for him to fight the only with his Stormlight enhanced speed and strength.
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  • Bridge 4 sprints with the bridge the entire distance to Rock's families caravan, is effectively throwing the bridge across chasms, and the bridge is noted 'light as reed' (can be partially discounted as emotional state as well).
  • Kaladin notes that Rock pulling Shardbow (intended for Shardbearer 15x-20x as strong as human) could not be done with just Stormlight enhanced strength, as it does not improve strength 'vastly.' (from this we can conclude that "vastly"for Kaladin is Shardbearer-level increase in strength, so mere 50% increase could be 'small' increase it to him).
• RoW:
  • Kaladin lifting Warform in Hearthstone, noting his increased strength.
  • Venli noting she could use Stormlight to strengthen herself, to better keep up with Stormform.
  • Kaladin in RoW, when under influence of the Tower (which explicitly reduces effect of Stormlight) carrying Teft (noting additional strength) and grappling with Stormform (which is stronger than Warform, already stated to be about twice as strong as human).
  • Adolin explicitly noting superhuman strength of Radiants.

 

This is not exhaustive list of feats of improved strength, but I think it clearly illustrates that Stormlight enhances strength considerably.

Fair enough, but I was mainly talking about durability anyways I don’t see any references through enhancing that. I’m not sure how much of a strength boost baseline pewter gives you, but I would assume it was probably above 2x no it will definitely have to be above 2X. There’s no way vin could casually use a kollos sword in one hand, even with twice her strength. So again, my point stands it does not compare. It grants no durability, and doesn’t grant nearly the same level of strength, even if it does grant some.

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4 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said:

Fair enough, but I was mainly talking about durability anyways I don’t see any references through enhancing that. I’m not sure how much of a strength boost baseline pewter gives you, but I would assume it was probably above 2x no it will definitely have to be above 2X. There’s no way vin could casually use a kollos sword in one hand, even with twice her strength. So again, my point stands it does not compare. It grants no durability, and doesn’t grant nearly the same level of strength, even if it does grant some.

Baseline pewter enhancement is roughly 2x, when flaring 3x and that is about a ceiling.

And again, Kaladin just with Stormlight matches strenght with Stormform, which is at least 2x as strong as baseline human, so Stormlight does provide strength enhancement in the same ballpark as pewter (even if it is combination of straight improvement and adrenalin-like effect).

Durability is also increased by Stormlight, thought this is not talked about as much:

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Resilience of body:

In prologue, Szeth withstands a punch from Shardbearer to the face.

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 Just as Szeth hit the helm a second time—shattering it—Gavilar punched with his off hand, slamming his gauntleted fist into Szeth’s face. Blinding light flashed in Szeth’s eyes, a counterpoint to the sudden agony that crashed across his face. Everything blurred, his vision fading.
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The blow would have killed an ordinary man.

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Blood streamed from the side of his face, and Stormlight rose from his skin, blinding his left eye. The Light. It would heal him, if it could. His jaw felt unhinged. Broken? He’d dropped his Shardblade.

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Shardplate enhances strength about 15x-20x, even grazing, held-back punch breaks ribs and organs (Moash to Kaladin in WoR). Here Szeth got punched right in the face, which should have basically went right through his head. Instead, it seems his brain was mostly intact, and he was healed rather fast (despite it being Honorblade healing).

This suggests Stormlight helps withstand damage.

Kaladin drops ~40 feet (12 meters) with little Stormlight and does not break bones

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“If I leave the rope here, someone might spot it while crossing the bridge.”
“So cut it free.”
He looked at her, raising an eyebrow. “While dangling from it?”
“You’ll be fine.”
“That’s a forty-foot drop! I’d break bones at the very least.”
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He dropped in a rush, one hand still holding the sliced rope, stomach lurching with the jarring distress of falling. The bridge shot away as if rising, and Kaladin’s panicked mind immediately sent his eyes downward. This wasn’t beautiful. This was terrifying. It was horrible. He was going to die!
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He stood up straight. Lopen gaped. Kaladin felt an ache in his legs from hitting, but it was like that of having leaped four or five feet.

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This is before he learns Lashings, so it could not have been due to that (and the fall takes only 1.5 seconds). Additionally, it is not that they broke and healed, as Stormlight does not remove the pain (see WoR where Kaladin kicks Plate and shatters both legs).

Again, this shows that Stormlight helps withstand damage, and to considerable degree.

 

Edited December 21, 2025 by therunner

[Cosmer]

9 hours ago, Ookla the Inactive said:

 

Wax would be absolutely screwed if he fought an Unoathed pre-Lerasium, especially if you take away his gun. I don't see any win-con, especially if the Unoathed helmet's eye-slit can seal with them still being able to see. He wouldn't have any of the pewter/duralumin advantages a Mistborn has, and F-Iron does not make up for that.

But he gets 1 coin lodged or pinned correctly, increases weight, and sends the SB flying…repeat. 
 

I am very biased with Wax…might be my favorite character so forgive me a blind spot. But he could level cities before any Lerasium upgrade.