AerionBFII he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 @Bort i agree with you completely, unless Roshone kept an unusually close eye on Kal which i personally doubt. I think we know that Kal stopped sending letter after T died. A common dark eyes not even fighting in the shattered plains wouldn't even get a though of contacting next of kin. I doubt even if he died on the Shattered Plains they still wouldn't have done it. Lol i totally think Kals going to go all Spartacus by the end of this series, not using the same tactics per say but definitely freeing slaves.
Natans he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Well, whatever happen when Kal find his parents I think that they will not be able to stay in Alethkar. The country will be in chaos, so Kal will have to take his parents (and everyone else) to the Urithiru.So Kaladin path in book 3 will be:Kal look for his parents (problems, plot, problems) > find them, travel do Kolinar (problems, plot, problems) > active the oath gate(problems, plot, problems) > epic battle with odium spawn of this book plus bridge 4 return like radiant squires army trained to be awesome and kickass > kiss the girl *insert your favorite fandon here* > end =) 3
dvoraen Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 @Bort i agree with you completely, unless Roshone kept an unusually close eye on Kal which i personally doubt. I think we know that Kal stopped sending letter after T died. A common dark eyes not even fighting in the shattered plains wouldn't even get a though of contacting next of kin. I doubt even if he died on the Shattered Plains they still wouldn't have done it. Lol i totally think Kals going to go all Spartacus by the end of this series, not using the same tactics per say but definitely freeing slaves. IIRC, Kaladin has sent only one letter to his parents since leaving Hearthstone, to tell them that Tien had died.
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) @dvoraen that is so creepy i literally just reread that part haha Yeah i hate being wrong. He sent 1 letter telling them Tien had died and that he wouldn't be returning. I've just reread all the interludes and Hearthstone Chapters from Way of Kings and what i have discovered is that, I hate Roshone, I HATE Amaram, I hate Restares and Axies is just as funny as i remember. From rereading the chapters from Hearthstone i felt really bad for Laral but i genuinely really think she is going to be a proper Lighteyes now when she and Kaladin are reunited. I cant help but feel the purpose of the flashbacks was to show what made Kal want choose the path of the Surgeon over the path of the soldier and to show the change in Laral from Kaladins friend boyhood crush into something that he hates. Edited January 6, 2015 by WEZ313
Lumoscia Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 @dvoraen that is so creepy i literally just reread that part haha Yeah i hate being wrong. He sent 1 letter telling them Tien had died and that he wouldn't be returning. I've just reread all the interludes and Hearthstone Chapters from Way of Kings and what i have discovered is that, I hate Roshone, I HATE Amaram, I hate Restares and Axies is just as funny as i remember. From rereading the chapters from Hearthstone i felt really bad for Laral but i genuinely really think she is going to be a proper Lighteyes now when she and Kaladin are reunited. I cant help but feel the purpose of the flashbacks was to show what made Kal want choose the path of the Surgeon over the path of the soldier and to show the change in Laral from Kaladins friend boyhood crush into something that he hates. The sad thing is I really suspect Laral was just a device as you said to show and further Kaladins hate of light-eyes. I really would like to see them together (I prefer underdogs and highly flawed relationships that work through some weird mix of love, dedication and general good luck). But I see Kaladin showing up...initially disliking Laral as she is a generic light-eyes (Cowed by Roshone and having no options but to be like that) before Kaladin overcomes his hatred at least in her case and helps her....I can't see anything more than friendship occurring unless there are some big repressed feelings/memories that Sanderson might spring on us. But chances are they'll end up as friends...probably with Laral just staying a full-on background character....damnation.
king of nowhere Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 I thought kaladin sent two letters home; one after tien died, a few months into the army, and one after four years, to say that he won't be coming back. anyway, he mention spending a week's pay to have a letter sent, so he wasn't much in contact with home, whether he sent one letter or two. I suppose his parents don't know he was made a slave or anything else. As for laral, I'm not sure she will be that important except for narrative conventions. I mean, I remember a few girls I liked when I was 12-13, but nowadays they mean nothing to me and I wouldn't even recognize them. One single exception for a girl with whom I'm still friend because I kept regular contact later. Whatever happens between them, I doubt they can build much over the "we were friends as kids". especially considering how laral shut kaladin down later. they will have to restart from scratch, but I doubt it will happen. I expect sanderson to write something that I'm not expecting. One thing I'm picturing in my mind is kaladin swooping in and being a hero, laral falling for him (also, spending six years married to roshone will have lowered her standards considerably), but him wanting nothing more with her. except that now I'm expecting it, so it won't happen
thecatinthehat Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) This confirms that Kaladin cannot use the Stormlight equivalent from the Everstorm, otherwise there would be no reason for him to walk the last 30 miles. Which leads me to believe that the black sphere that Galivar gave Szeth at the very start of Way of Kings contains 'Voidlight' or 'Odilight' or whatever you want to call it.Everlight? (Does it not shine light, but do the opposite? Like casting shadows instead of illuminating things? We've seen similar things done, think Jasnah and Axies.) Makes me wonder though, how come his spheres didn't fill up with voidlight?I thought maybe Odium uses different crystals — or its essences are manifesting by something different, not crystals. But it would make no sense. Firstly, the black sphere Gavilar gave Szeth was made of crystal. Secondly, Parshendi transformations were feeding of the highstorms and it's what caused the Everstorm, not the other way round. (Or are we mislead?) Edited January 7, 2015 by mdmilosz
vietnamabc Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 In the vein of Laral theory, what about Tarah, looks like she is the one that Kal really cares about with but we don't know anything except tidbit that she helped Kal move on from Tien's death.
Arondell Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 In the vein of Laral theory, what about Tarah, looks like she is the one that Kal really cares about with but we don't know anything except tidbit that she helped Kal move on from Tien's death. Well we also know that whatever relationship he had with Tarah he some how viewed it as a failure.
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Well we also know that whatever relationship he had with Tarah he some how viewed it as a failure. Given Kaladin's track record she probably died.
Arondell Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Given Kaladin's track record she probably died. Hard to say. It is specifically said that his failure with her wasn't like the others. Very ambiguous.
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I thought it was different because they had a different type of relationship. Or are you telling me Kaladin had that same type of relationship with everybody in his old squad? Choose your next words carefully now, he's my favorite character Hahaha im just kidding i totally get what you mean.I merely thought because the relationship between them was an implied romantic one thats what made his failure with her different to the others.I hope she's not dead and makes a come back.
hoser he/him Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Kaladin does have a conversation w/Adolin where he advises Adolin to tell Shallan his thoughts and/or feelings towards her. IIRC, it's implied that Kaladin regrets not having done so w/Tarah, which could be the different failure (reticence). 2
Humpty he/him Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Am I the only one who thinks that Kaladin will hand over a Letter of introduction explaining that he is here acting under the authority of the King and or Dalinar. They wouldn't just send him off with a pouch full of money and say good luck. Anybody sent of this kind of mission would have at least a letter of introduction. I also think that the Village Jasnah started walking torwards with Wit at the end of WOR will turn out to be Hearthstone. Maybe this is just wishfull thinking on my part but it did say that she was in the middle of nowhere. Another thing I think will happen is that kaladin will figure out the fourth oath in this village and or on the way to the capital. Something involving protecting even those who doesnt want my protection. Jasnah's Ice heart will start melting and by the end of the book she and Kaladin will be am item. I hope that Sandersons development of Kaladin doesnt involve him looking into the past too much he should be above that now. He should also ignore his child hood love interest and Roshone altogather instead focus on his mission and saving his parents and the other people of Hearthstone. All this might sound crazy its just one persons opinion of what should happen. 3
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) I think Jasnah Wit and Kal would be a great team. The three musketeers. Have an upvote I would love to read about the three of them,But I doubt it hopefull they will meet up and I don't think Kal will get over it straight away but I don't think he'll make the same mistake as in WORAnd will deal with it better than he once would have I like to think after each oath the KR grow as individuals. It would be ridiculous if he didn't have some sort of letter, I'll be grinding my teeth if he's just mistaken for a deserter or a run away slave but let's not forget that this is a small town and Kal has a big blade haha : DI'm hoping for some closure with the whole Laral issue IIRC didn't Roshone lose his leg? Hopefully he lost something else and spared that poor girl more degradation, hopefully he comes to terms with who he is now loses the scars and gets the eyes.Kal's had a tough life and needs a little good in his life Edited January 11, 2015 by WEZ313 5
Humpty he/him Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Your probably right regarding Kaladin and Laral. He doesnt seem the type to just let things go easly. It would be cool though if he said something like "Hey hope your happy choosing an old turd like Roshone, I can fly now by the way BIOTCH!!!"
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Your probably right regarding Kaladin and Laral. He doesnt seem the type to just let things go easly. It would be cool though if he said something like "Hey hope your happy choosing an old turd like Roshone, I can fly now by the way BIOTCH!!!" Hahaha i used to think the same thing. Did she really choose him though? His son perhaps she seemed distraught when he was Whitespined but he was described as young and handsome, his one legged fat fugly father on the other hand.... On my reread i read carefully and you can slowly see the transformation, i've never really seen her happy she seems to withdraw from it all and became aloof, resigned. Yeah he's not the type to let go easily and i can't really blame him for that after all he's gone through. I'd be interested to see what became of Kals father he seemed broken after Kal as well as Tien left to join the army. I always new Tien was going to die...Tien's always die... Edited January 11, 2015 by WEZ313 2
Shlee Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Kaladin does have a conversation w/Adolin where he advises Adolin to tell Shallan his thoughts and/or feelings towards her. IIRC, it's implied that Kaladin regrets not having done so w/Tarah, which could be the different failure (reticence). I always read it that way too. My interpretation of his failure was that he never really told Tarah how he felt and then when he was made a slave, he lost his chance to (but she wouldn't have known what happened, just that he was gone, and thus he "failed" her, similarly to not being there for his men, but differently as well). I've been hoping for a reunion there for quite some time (hopefully one in which she tells him that she'd never believed he would have deserted, unless she got told he was dead haha). I just can't get behind shipping Kaladin with anyone else. Jasnah reminds me of me, and I'd want to smack that boy every two minutes or so, and Shallan just doesn't seem to fit him (plus, Adolin's going to need some support here soon!) And Kaladin deserves to not be alone (Syl doesn't count!) So there's my female sap added to the war book lol 1
Arondell Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Your probably right regarding Kaladin and Laral. He doesnt seem the type to just let things go easly. It would be cool though if he said something like "Hey hope your happy choosing an old turd like Roshone, I can fly now by the way BIOTCH!!!" I can only hope Kaladin does not act in such a remarkably self-centered, callous, and unlikeable manner. I would prefer he act like someone bound to an honorspren. Edited January 11, 2015 by Arondell 2
Pestis the Spider she/her Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 I also think that the Village Jasnah started walking torwards with Wit at the end of WOR will turn out to be Hearthstone. Maybe this is just wishfull thinking on my part but it did say that she was in the middle of nowhere. Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure you're right. WoR already was full of not so believalbe coincidental meetings between various characters and I really doubt that SA3 is oing to be any different. About the letter and the whole deserter thing. I agree that he should have a letter. Any inteligent person would take such letter with him. But does he have it? Well, from the chapter 1 of SA3 it doesn't really look like he's got any letter. Everything is set so he is taken for the deserter. He's got his slave scars, loads of spheres from Dalinar and a dirty uniform, and actually someone already took him for a deserter, at least initially. There were no mentions about letter, only the suggestion that he needed to leave for Hearthstone as soon as possible, which for me kind of suggest that he didn't have time to had letters written, etc.
Zea mays Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 About a letter - it is said somewhere in WoK that Hesina is the only woman in Hearthstone that can read. I think that was before Roshone and his retinue arrived, and I do not know if it included Laral (did Hesina teach her?). The point is, who will read the letter? Will they trust it, or assume it is a forgery? Kal's folks, if they are still in Hearthsone, which I highly doubt, would believe him with or without a letter. Roshone's people will be disposed to suspect him. The rest of the town can't read.
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 The people of Hearthstone don't really strike me as the type to clamber to help. If I recall it was said they were terrified and a little in awe of Roshone. i think they are also in the midst of a weeping, so not much stormlight and I can't see him whipping out his abilities and lashing Roshone to the moon. I would pay good money to see an interaction between Kal and Jasnah when they have no idea who the other is.
Natans he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I think we are fixing to much in the "Kal will have no authority" "he must have some way to validate is authority" point. After all he can easily summon a shardblade, that glows, change shapes and that make his eyes almost with. Both things in Roshar's history are related to power, the use of shard and and the eye color, and i'm sure he have no problem to do it if the need arise. He accepted his place as a radiant and now he will play his role, book 2 Kal character arc was exactly about this.The real problem here is what he will do to save his family and city, something made thing go to hell there so he must investigate and defeat, after all this is the command he received from Dalinar save your family and help anyone that you could, and his order theme is exactly this protect the others.In a way is funny that even after 2 books we really don't know much about the enemies in this serie. Ok there are the parshendi, but what the everstorm will really do with them? They will change only to stormform or all the forms will be available? And the other voidbringers when they will appear, thunderclast, nightessence, etc, etc.Sanderson is a master in give only little bits of information per book, the next book I'm sure that will be the book where he show the enemies, and Kal being in the fry will be the perfect character to scout the Odium's spawns. =) Kal are the actual powerhouse of Roshar, sure there are better fighters, but none have his powers, so putting in a difficult situation where he don't have access to plenty of stormlight and have to protect his family will create a great plot, after good books are all about conflict (plot, conflict) Roshone, Laral, pft... they are nothing by the second chapter Kal will have put both in they places, Roshone by taking away his authority, and his childhood sweetheart by being... well himself (serious Laral will think gosh i realllly mistreated the wrong person and to me this is enough) =)The only doubt that i have is where Tarah will fit in this. Two books of hints are killing me, Se must have made a hell of impression to kal remember of her exactly when he are hugging a very pretty thing in a very cozy and wet way Good be back. =) 3
maetel39 Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 If kaladin had been given spheres to go, wouldn't make since that they supplied some sort of writ of authority? Especially if Dalinar wanted him to stop in Kholinar.
natc Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 They can't exactly just run one off the printer or anything. They're in a hurry, and they also can't write. Unless they had a stack of them ready for emergency money-lending in the middle of a war.
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