Araris Valerian he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said: Right... but how to know what is right when the line between what is known and what is lies is so blurred? Every act is a step in the dark, and who is to say yours is any more guided than another's? I think you missed my point, since I way trying to communicate the value in taking the initiative with your own votes instead of blindly picking others to follow. Not to mention that if everyone sits around waiting for someone else to place the first vote, we'd end up with no votes. 1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said: TwinStorm, this seems an awful lot like you're tagging on someone who's already facing pressure - and I don't like it, even if it's a bit blatant for an elim Could you elaborate a bit more on why you this this is (potentially blatant) elim behavior? Spoilered because it's mostly meta discussion that doesn't really help the game: Spoiler 30 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said: they are under no obligation to unvote you if you unvote them. Sure, but the implication is there for a retaliatory vote (though me sorta escalating things might make that less true). Furthermore, as I've said, there's no reasoning for other folks to agree/disagree with. Sure, we've engaged in some meta discussion, which I enjoy because I have reasonably strong opinions on lots of meta things, but we aren't advancing the game state at all. I've found that folks' meta statements don't really change based on their alignment. 35 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said: I'll admit it's generally newer elims or people who haven't been elim in a bit, but elims are on average more likely to back down under less pressure. Like Iced said, they did it recently, there's been a couple others that I can't name, but this is a common phenomenon. I'm still skeptical. I can't recall a single game where I was an elim and a teammate felt pressured by a retaliatory vote to change their own vote. 36 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said: A vote is by nature pressure. Depends on what the threshold for "pressure" is I suppose, but I would say the level of pressure in this case is negligible at best. Again see To clarify, there is a time and manner for placing a vote in retaliation to someone voting on you. But I don't think it really helps anyone in this particular case, and in general emphasizing the retaliatory nature of a vote is not helpful from a village perspective.
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 7 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: Could you elaborate a bit more on why you this this is (potentially blatant) elim behavior? Spoilered because it's mostly meta discussion that doesn't really help the game: Absolutely I feel like its generally an easy move for elims to vote on someone who is already carrying the brunt of the attack This is because elims in general tend to not care who gets exed, as long as it isn't one of them. The easiest way to do this is to back up a train on a Villager with the most votes, in an attempt to simply take them out. Additionally, I feel like Villagers in general should, at least, try harder to recover as much information as possible (especially early in the game like now) and a vote on someone who is already pressured with the most doesn't quite do that in any meaningful way. The other meaningful possibility to consider is that TwinStorm is intentionally trying to distance himself from Polly The only reasons I see for v!TwinStorm to make this move are if he didn't realize the amount of votes on Polly, chose randomly without much care, or just really wanted to pressure Polly Either way, I don't think it's a good look for him @TwinStorm, what do you have to say about all this? 7 hours ago, The Unknown Hammerer said: I don't find it any more pointless than any other first vote. Trying to say yours isn't while theirs is is just silly. The fact that it's generating this much discussion proves its point. I'll admit it's generally newer elims or people who haven't been elim in a bit, but elims are on average more likely to back down under less pressure. Like Iced said, they did it recently, there's been a couple others that I can't name, but this is a common phenomenon. I'm not sure why you think there isn't much pressure. You're, I believe, one vote away from being tied for the lead currently. A vote is by nature pressure. I've said it a few times, but they are under no obligation to unvote you if you unvote them. Maybe you don't find it to be very dangerous because you're an experienced semi-returning player who others would be hesitant to exe and they're newer and more likely to change their vote, but that's not a very good reason to call it categorically pointless. I agree with this. And honestly, retaliatory or not, Penguin's vote worked beautifully, because it's generating all this discussion. I want to hear what you think about the current events, beyond this discussion. 7 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: Furthermore, as I've said, there's no reasoning for other folks to agree/disagree with Well... most poke votes don't have any. My vote on Polly at the start didn't. Neither did your early vote on Penguin: On 9/2/2025 at 9:19 PM, Araris Valerian said: Yes, let's. ___________
TwinStorm He/Him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 25 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: Absolutely I feel like its generally an easy move for elims to vote on someone who is already carrying the brunt of the attack This is because elims in general tend to not care who gets exed, as long as it isn't one of them. The easiest way to do this is to back up a train on a Villager with the most votes, in an attempt to simply take them out. Additionally, I feel like Villagers in general should, at least, try harder to recover as much information as possible (especially early in the game like now) and a vote on someone who is already pressured with the most doesn't quite do that in any meaningful way. The other meaningful possibility to consider is that TwinStorm is intentionally trying to distance himself from Polly The only reasons I see for v!TwinStorm to make this move are if he didn't realize the amount of votes on Polly, chose randomly without much care, or just really wanted to pressure Polly Either way, I don't think it's a good look for him @TwinStorm, what do you have to say about all this? I agree with this. And honestly, retaliatory or not, Penguin's vote worked beautifully, because it's generating all this discussion. I want to hear what you think about the current events, beyond this discussion. Well... most poke votes don't have any. My vote on Polly at the start didn't. Neither did your early vote on Penguin: What do I have to say? The vote itself very clearly establishes it as a poke, being my second post and one in which the reason is very clearly meta. To tell you the truth, I was busy all yesterday, and just logged on and posted a joke/poke vote on someone who i'v played with before, and feel comfortable voting.
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 9 minutes ago, TwinStorm said: What do I have to say? The vote itself very clearly establishes it as a poke, being my second post and one in which the reason is very clearly meta. To tell you the truth, I was busy all yesterday, and just logged on and posted a joke/poke vote on someone who i'v played with before, and feel comfortable voting. So you weren’t fully aware of the situation and current pressure on Polly? On another note: Would it be useful to know the Courts of players? I’ve already revealed mine, but everyone else has been kinda silent on this, despite the fact I don’t see it as anything with any benefit hiding to the Village
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 (edited) Sorry for the double post Current VC: KelsierApologist/Zyvoxid: (1) TwinStorm IcedOutPenguin/___________: (1) Araris Valerian Hoid Slayer/Ekkar Loral: (1) BigBadBagsworth Doc12/Evi: (1) ThatOneWorldHopper Amanuensis/Kosm: (1) Doc12 Araris Valerian/Arlun: (1) IcedOutPenguin TwinStorm/Matrim: (2) Hoid, Aman People who have voted: @TwinStorm@Araris Valerian@BigBadBagsworth@ThatOneWorldhopper@Doc12@IcedOutPenguin@Amanuensis Would love to sort this by level of participation, but my bus is approaching school, so maybe someone else has the time. People who have shown up and not voted: @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren@CoderDrag0n8 - technically he voted, but it didn’t last long @The Unknown Hammerer@xxGaea@Doc12 People who haven’t shown up at all: No one! Ekkar Loral was uncertain. It seemed he was uncertain a lot recently. He had awaited a message from Evinir, but no message came. And so he asked himself: what would Evinir do? Would Evinir really wait around for orders? Or would he act? Slowly, convicted, Ekkar stood up from the table where he had ate, and began to walk towards his duties. To attend his goddess in her final hours. Ekkar would be busy; his participation in the discussion, limited. But he would not waste any more time. Edited September 4, 2025 by Hoid Slayer 1
Doc12 Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: People who have shown up and not voted: @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren@CoderDrag0n8 - technically he voted, but it didn’t last long @The Unknown Hammerer@xxGaea@Doc12 11 hours ago, Doc12 said: So first of all Aman In terms of gut reads, there's not really much. Worldhopper is doing a randomized vote which they did in the last 2 games I played with them. CD is kinda following the crowd. Iced is poking back when poked. I think the only thing that really jumps out at me is Aman and Twinstorm jumping on to make the Polly vote 3. (Aman switched their vote away to make a tie, which is something I enjoy doing myself) (Typing this in the car) Funny how you said I didn't vote when I was the first to vote on Twinstorm Edit to avoid double posting: My reasoning for voting TwinStorm is the same as hoid slayer, where it seems like just a quick read and pile on an existing vote. @TwinStorm I agree with hoid slayer being aware of the vote count now are you going to change your vote ? (Aman can decide if this happens before or after Evi speaks to Kosm) Evi was just returning to their quarters when they felt a sudden, insistent buzzing by their ankle. "No." She murmured, picking up the pace. The buzzing continued, and the world around her began draining of color. "This is not a good time" She begged. A single white sun in the sky, a precipice into a sea of beads. Buzzing that was starting to sound like words. "No, not now, my God just died, I just met someone, I - AAAA -" Already in the sea of beads, her feet struggling to tread water. "I don't even have enough Breaths to survive long in this place! Puzzle, you ass!" "You're being summoned," the symbol-headed creature finally spoke. "Hope you didn't leave anything too important back there. I'll bring you back, but it may be a while..." (See you guys on Monday!) Edited September 4, 2025 by Doc12 1
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 2 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: want to hear what you think about the current events, beyond this discussion. I try not to think it makes my head hurt. Not too much is going on tbh. Polly got three votes and then back down to two right? That's the only major subject imo and it seems pretty standard to me.
xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 (edited) 15 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: TwinStorm, this seems an awful lot like you're tagging on someone who's already facing pressure - and I don't like it, even if it's a bit blatant for an elim To be fair, I can see a world where playing as a specifically blatant elim is a viable strategy. If you do it right, it could throw village off enough by the mindset of 'it's too obvious to be the right choice'. Currently I have slight suspicions on Twin, but do still read him as village-leaning I think. 6 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: People who have voted: @TwinStorm@Araris Valerian@BigBadBagsworth@ThatOneWorldhopper@Doc12@IcedOutPenguin@Amanuensis Would love to sort this by level of participation, but my bus is approaching school, so maybe someone else has the time. People who have shown up and not voted: @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren@CoderDrag0n8 - technically he voted, but it didn’t last long @The Unknown Hammerer@xxGaea@Doc12 People who haven’t shown up at all: No one! ....We have 13 players in the game, lol. @KelsierApologist hasn't actually posted in thread yet. She posted in our Court doc right after the game went live the other night, but hasn't been back since saying hello. Anyway, I have finally gone through all the posts in the thread so far and wrote out my current thoughts in a google doc, since I am determined to try and take notes to organize my thoughts this time, lol--we'll see how long that lasts. After doing so, I am getting sus vibes from The Unknown Hammerer, so am placing my vote on him. His posts feel too laid back to me, and more specifically, his tone reads as how he talks and acts when he's an elim. I don't think that's his village playstyle, too? At the very least, the first game I played with him he wasn't as blasé I don't think? For now, he is the person I'm most sus of, with Twin following after. I don't have any reads on Polly yet, since she hasn't been around enough for me to actually get a sense of her vibe this game. Current VC: KelsierApologist/Zyvoxid: (1) TwinStorm IcedOutPenguin/___________: (1) Araris Valerian Hoid Slayer/Ekkar Loral: (1) BigBadBagsworth Doc12/Evi: (1) ThatOneWorldHopper Araris Valerian/Arlun: (1) IcedOutPenguin TwinStorm/Matrim: (3) Hoid, Aman, Doc12 TheUnknownHammerer/D'delaier: (1) xxGaea Edited September 4, 2025 by xxGaea fixed votecount sdfkas
Doc12 Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 10 minutes ago, xxGaea said: To be fair, I can see a world where playing as a specifically blatant elim is a viable strategy. If you do it right, it could throw village off enough by the mindset of 'it's too obvious to be the right choice'. Currently I have slight suspicions on Twin, but do still read him as village-leaning I think. ....We have 13 players in the game, lol. @KelsierApologist hasn't actually posted in thread yet. She posted in our Court doc right after the game went live the other night, but hasn't been back since saying hello. Anyway, I have finally gone through all the posts in the thread so far and wrote out my current thoughts in a google doc, since I am determined to try and take notes to organize my thoughts this time, lol--we'll see how long that lasts. After doing so, I am getting sus vibes from The Unknown Hammerer, so am placing my vote on him. His posts feel too laid back to me, and more specifically, his tone reads as how he talks and acts when he's an elim. I don't think that's his village playstyle, too? At the very least, the first game I played with him he wasn't as blasé I don't think? For now, he is the person I'm most sus of, with Twin following after. I don't have any reads on Polly yet, since she hasn't been around enough for me to actually get a sense of her vibe this game. Current VC: KelsierApologist/Zyvoxid: (1) TwinStorm IcedOutPenguin/___________: (1) Araris Valerian Hoid Slayer/Ekkar Loral: (1) BigBadBagsworth Doc12/Evi: (1) ThatOneWorldHopper Amanuensis/Kosm: (1) Doc12 Araris Valerian/Arlun: (1) IcedOutPenguin TwinStorm/Matrim: (2) Hoid, Aman TheUnknownHammerer/D'delaier: (1) xxGaea Sorry, is my vote that hard to read ? That's twice now people have claimed I haven't voted?
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted September 4, 2025 Author Posted September 4, 2025 16 hours ago, Doc12 said: In terms of gut reads, there's not really much. Worldhopper is doing a randomized vote which they did in the last 2 games I played with them. CD is kinda following the crowd. Iced is poking back when poked. I think the only thing that really jumps out at me is Aman and Twinstorm jumping on to make the Polly vote 3. (Aman switched their vote away to make a tie, which is something I enjoy doing myself) Your vote comes through just fine. I've noted it.
xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 4 minutes ago, Doc12 said: Sorry, is my vote that hard to read ? That's twice now people have claimed I haven't voted? Nah, I know you voted! Since you'd already pointed out that you voted, I was just adding that Polly hasn't posted at all, lol--sorry for the confusion xD
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 40 minutes ago, xxGaea said: After doing so, I am getting sus vibes from The Unknown Hammerer, so am placing my vote on him. His posts feel too laid back to me, and more specifically, his tone reads as how he talks and acts when he's an elim. I don't think that's his village playstyle, too? At the very least, the first game I played with him he wasn't as blasé I don't think? For now, he is the person I'm most sus of, with Twin following after. I don't have any reads on Polly yet, since she hasn't been around enough for me to actually get a sense of her vibe this game. My village playstyle is pretty much the same as my elim playstyle. Especially when I have a doc to talk in. I tend to be laid back either way and only get serious if I'm in danger.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 33 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said: My village playstyle is pretty much the same as my elim playstyle. Especially when I have a doc to talk in. I tend to be laid back either way and only get serious if I'm in danger. So if we want you to contribute we should try and kill you, is what I’m hearing. Good enough for me. Penguin TUH 1
BigBadBagsworth He/him/his Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 17 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: TwinStorm, this seems an awful lot like you're tagging on someone who's already facing pressure - and I don't like it, even if it's a bit blatant for an elim TBH, I just completely agree with this reasoning. don’t really have more to add. Hoid slayer. TwinStorm.
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 8 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: People who have shown up and not voted I usually don't vote C1s. Though I am leaning towards Storm.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 22 minutes ago, BigBadBagsworth said: TBH, I just completely agree with this reasoning. don’t really have more to add. Hoid slayer. TwinStorm. Aren’t you kinda doing the same thing?
BigBadBagsworth He/him/his Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Aren’t you kinda doing the same thing? As whom?
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: So if we want you to contribute we should try and kill you, is what I’m hearing. Good enough for me. Penguin TUH Oh perfect, I've been feeling like voting you anyways, so we can get the dramatic irony of two separate retaliation votes Araris Valerian 1
Araris Valerian he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BigBadBagsworth said: As whom? As the person you’re voting on. It looks to me like you are tagging on someone who is already facing pressure - and Hoid doesn’t like it, even if it’s a bit blatant for an elim. Edited September 4, 2025 by Araris Valerian 1
BigBadBagsworth He/him/his Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 (edited) IDK. I’m new to this, (this is my third game), I agree with Hoid Slayer’s reasoning, and I want my vote to count. Do you mean to say that, when you’re convinced someone is an elim, you shouldn’t vote for them? He isn’t even facing that much pressure; unless I’ve miscounted, he’s now tied with Polly at three. Maybe you’re his teammate and trying to get pressure off of him, IDK. You also just jumped on a train against someone who’s only wrongdoing was “sus vibes”. I have to draw the line of how much I let my decisions get influenced by others somewhere. Edited September 4, 2025 by BigBadBagsworth
TwinStorm He/Him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 (edited) 10 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: So you weren’t fully aware of the situation and current pressure on Polly? On another note: Would it be useful to know the Courts of players? I’ve already revealed mine, but everyone else has been kinda silent on this, despite the fact I don’t see it as anything with any benefit hiding to the Village Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying 9 hours ago, Doc12 said: (Typing this in the car) Funny how you said I didn't vote when I was the first to vote on Twinstorm Edit to avoid double posting: My reasoning for voting TwinStorm is the same as hoid slayer, where it seems like just a quick read and pile on an existing vote. @TwinStorm I agree with hoid slayer being aware of the vote count now are you going to change your vote ? (Aman can decide if this happens before or after Evi speaks to Kosm) Evi was just returning to their quarters when they felt a sudden, insistent buzzing by their ankle. "No." She murmured, picking up the pace. The buzzing continued, and the world around her began draining of color. "This is not a good time" She begged. A single white sun in the sky, a precipice into a sea of beads. Buzzing that was starting to sound like words. "No, not now, my God just died, I just met someone, I - AAAA -" Already in the sea of beads, her feet struggling to tread water. "I don't even have enough Breaths to survive long in this place! Puzzle, you ass!" "You're being summoned," the symbol-headed creature finally spoke. "Hope you didn't leave anything too important back there. I'll bring you back, but it may be a while..." (See you guys on Monday!) Yes, see below for reasoning. 2 hours ago, BigBadBagsworth said: TBH, I just completely agree with this reasoning. don’t really have more to add. Hoid slayer. TwinStorm. Okay, now this is just hypocrisy. I don't like the read, and I know I am village, so its obviously fog of war, but for much of the same reasons I voted on Polly, except you do have context and you do know what's happening. I also don't like your hopeless newbie response, feels very elim. BigBadBagsworth Edited to Add: When I say its 'obviously fog of war' I misspoke, I meant to say it could be fog of war, but I don't trust him and don't like his reasoning. Edited September 4, 2025 by TwinStorm
Araris Valerian he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 36 minutes ago, BigBadBagsworth said: Do you mean to say that, when you’re convinced someone is an elim, you shouldn’t vote for them? He isn’t even facing that much pressure; unless I’ve miscounted, he’s now tied with Polly at three. Maybe you’re his teammate and trying to get pressure off of him, IDK. You also just jumped on a train against someone who’s only wrongdoing was “sus vibes”. I have to draw the line of how much I let my decisions get influenced by others somewhere. Honestly, I was just pushing at you (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) to see how you’d respond. It’s totally fine to agree with someone’s reasoning and follow their vote. I was trying to see if you thought the circumstances around your vote matched Twinstorm’s, or if you see a relevant difference. You still haven’t really addressed that point. I voted on TUH because he said he wouldn’t engage if there was no pressure on him, and I would hope that would be clear given the context of the post. Given that’s his stance, voting on him is pretty much pro-village regardless of his alignment.
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 I think that new player elims will be pointing fingers a lot more than either new player villagers or old player elims. This being said, BigBadBagsworth. @BigBadBagsworth. Besides the above reasoning, I believe that his first Ekkar vote was him trying to piggyback off of my Ekkar vote. Please correct me if I am wrong, this is prob my first real read in all of SE.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 22 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Honestly, I was just pushing at you (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) to see how you’d respond. It’s totally fine to agree with someone’s reasoning and follow their vote. I was trying to see if you thought the circumstances around your vote matched Twinstorm’s, or if you see a relevant difference. You still haven’t really addressed that point. I voted on TUH because he said he wouldn’t engage if there was no pressure on him, and I would hope that would be clear given the context of the post. Given that’s his stance, voting on him is pretty much pro-village regardless of his alignment. I mean, not what I said really. Something feels off about Araris's tone. It might be coming back after a while, but it's different than I remember. 2 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: I think that new player elims will be pointing fingers a lot more than either new player villagers or old player elims. This being said, BigBadBagsworth. @BigBadBagsworth. Besides the above reasoning, I believe that his first Ekkar vote was him trying to piggyback off of my Ekkar vote. Please correct me if I am wrong, this is prob my first real read in all of SE. That's probably not a bad vote. I think generally accusation amounts go Vet Villagers, new elims, vet elims, new villagers. Newer players tend to be hesitant, but docs often suggest voting to newer elims.
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 10 hours ago, Doc12 said: Funny how you said I didn't vote when I was the first to vote on Twinstorm 5 hours ago, xxGaea said: ....We have 13 players in the game, lol. @KelsierApologist hasn't actually posted in thread yet. She posted in our Court doc right after the game went live the other night, but hasn't been back since saying hello. ... Whoops Really don't know how I forgot about Polly, when I was just talking about her Right now, I am getting somewhat odd vibes from TUO: 9 hours ago, The Unknown Hammerer said: I try not to think it makes my head hurt. Not too much is going on tbh. Polly got three votes and then back down to two right? That's the only major subject imo and it seems pretty standard to me. This just seems kinda lazy. Although he is normally laid back... And I don't get his vote on Araris. Another thing I don't get is the sudden pile on BigBadBagsWorth: 1 hour ago, TwinStorm said: Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying Yes, see below for reasoning. Okay, now this is just hypocrisy. I don't like the read, and I know I am village, so its obviously fog of war, but for much of the same reasons I voted on Polly, except you do have context and you do know what's happening. I also don't like your hopeless newbie response, feels very elim. BigBadBagsworth Edited to Add: When I say its 'obviously fog of war' I misspoke, I meant to say it could be fog of war, but I don't trust him and don't like his reasoning. 7 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: I think that new player elims will be pointing fingers a lot more than either new player villagers or old player elims. This being said, BigBadBagsworth. @BigBadBagsworth. Besides the above reasoning, I believe that his first Ekkar vote was him trying to piggyback off of my Ekkar vote. Please correct me if I am wrong, this is prob my first real read in all of SE. While I would've liked some more evidence from him, I wouldn't vote him. For now, my vote rests on TwinStorm as I try to get my info together to make a deeper analysis before rollover. Speaking of rollover: when exactly is it? I know it's at 7:00, but I think I might be in a different time zone, so for people in the right place, is it at the end of this hour or the next? Also: Courts? Anyone willing to open up about that?
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