Rhythm of War is bad. Like, really, really bad.

[TacoBellChoutaMeal]

On 8/29/2025 at 1:15 PM, Knuti said:

 And in my opinion, the worst in Rosharan history, was the betrayal of BAM and the following Recreance.

I agree. To be completely honest, I couldn't think of anything initially that bad and just defaulted to the Oathpact. But "Do it, Melishi" was such a harrowing scene and I 100% agree with you. 

I disagree about Shallan, but I understand where you're coming from. I'm glad that you like Venli, I'm glad that you find enjoyment in the character. I think that the Contest of Champions became about more than just Alethkar after Dalinar founded the coalition. I think the end of WaT proves this. I think the singers have a much better claim to Alethkar than the Alethi do, I don't think that you're entirely wrong, but I also think that the people living in a piece of land for generations upon generations also might be grandfather'd into that land. I think that's what makes the conflict such a tragedy, is that both groups have a legitimate claim to the land they're fighting over. It's a very complicated situation and I don't think it's entirely black and white. If Honor hadn't been such a coward and just revealed the truth of The Recreance to Dalinar at the start of it all, the humans and the listeners would've been able to come to an understanding. Eshonai was certainly trying to find one. 

[bmcclure7]

On 9/9/2025 at 3:13 PM, TacoBellChoutaMeal said:

I agree. To be completely honest, I couldn't think of anything initially that bad and just defaulted to the Oathpact. But "Do it, Melishi" was such a harrowing scene and I 100% agree with you. 

I disagree about Shallan, but I understand where you're coming from. I'm glad that you like Venli, I'm glad that you find enjoyment in the character. I think that the Contest of Champions became about more than just Alethkar after Dalinar founded the coalition. I think the end of WaT proves this. I think the singers have a much better claim to Alethkar than the Alethi do, I don't think that you're entirely wrong, but I also think that the people living in a piece of land for generations upon generations also might be grandfather'd into that land. I think that's what makes the conflict such a tragedy, is that both groups have a legitimate claim to the land they're fighting over. It's a very complicated situation and I don't think it's entirely black and white. If Honor hadn't been such a coward and just revealed the truth of The Recreance to Dalinar at the start of it all, the humans and the listeners would've been able to come to an understanding. Eshonai was certainly trying to find one. 

Not sure that would have changed anything. 

[TacoBellChoutaMeal]

On 9/23/2025 at 8:52 PM, bmcclure7 said:

Not sure that would have changed anything. 

Hey there. This is an old thread, but I'm just checking the forums now. 

If Dalinar had known what Gavilar was trying to do, if he had known that the Radiants had tried to make peace with the Singers before Honor and Melishi messed it all up, then I'm sure he could've tried to talk it out with Eshonai. Eshonai was willing to talk. 

The Stormfather had literally all the relevant information and this entire thing is his fault. It's not Venli's fault for drawing the voidspren, it's not Eshonai's fault for calling the hit on Gavilar, and it's not even Alethkar's fault for going to war. This entire thing could've been avoided if The Stormfather wasn't so stubborn. He knew Gavilar was trying to become a herald and restart the desolations. He knew Eshonai and Dalinar wanted peace. He knew what Venli was up to. He knew why the Recreance happened, and how Tanavast had betrayed the Singers and BAM and all that. If he told Eshonai and Dalinar at any point in the FIVE YEARS before the everstorm dropped, all of this could've been avoided. But then we wouldn't have a book series.

 

it was literally all Honor's fault, all of his pride. 

[NerdSandwich she/her]

yeah Tanavast could be improved in general.

[Through The Living Ash he/him]

7 minutes ago, YouCantHaveMySandwich said:

yeah Tanavast could be improved in general.

I mean that's kind of the whole point...

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

21 minutes ago, Ashkaloda said:

I mean that's kind of the whole point...

Yah I like that part of the shards that they are true to them to a fault

[NerdSandwich she/her]

yeah fair enough.

[Treamayne]

Y'all realize the OP left and has not yet returned since 19 August 25. There is no audience to convince, except each other. . . 

[NerdSandwich she/her]

yup that's the fun part...

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

33 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

Y'all realize the OP left and has not yet returned since 19 August 25. There is no audience to convince, except each other. . . 

Yes hahahaha the OP has unknowingly started a discussion about it lollll

[NerdSandwich she/her]

yeah.

OP listened to coder and Use the Falchion

#1 best move he made on the Shard.