NerdSandwich she/her Posted October 1, 2025 Posted October 1, 2025 Congrats! Just letting you know, you don't have to exactly follow the ideals in the Stormlight Archive. I've never met someone who is primarily a Skybreaker, so it's nice to see someone swear Skybreaker oaths. so anyway yeah yay! 1
Through The Living Ash he/him Posted October 1, 2025 Posted October 1, 2025 28 minutes ago, Beholder said: Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination. I swear to seek justice, to let it guide me, until I find a better Ideal. I have sworn the first and second ideal of the Skybreakers. I believe I know the third but am not ready to swear it. Congratulations!
The Great Wyver She/Her Posted October 1, 2025 Posted October 1, 2025 30 minutes ago, Beholder said: Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination. I swear to seek justice, to let it guide me, until I find a better Ideal. I have sworn the first and second ideal of the Skybreakers. I believe I know the third but am not ready to swear it. Congrats!
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted October 2, 2025 Author Posted October 2, 2025 7 hours ago, Beholder said: Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination. I swear to seek justice, to let it guide me, until I find a better Ideal. I have sworn the first and second ideal of the Skybreakers. I believe I know the third but am not ready to swear it. Congratulations! And yeah, I encourage having different Words than the ones in Stormlight.
NerdSandwich she/her Posted October 3, 2025 Posted October 3, 2025 OK I redid the perfectionist thing where I do multiple trials on the Radiant Quiz for my family Statistics Me, the Truthshaper there is: -Bondcaller -Windward -Elseweaver -Skywatcher -Dustrunner so yay family vibe=Windwatcher with some Elsecaller
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted October 3, 2025 Author Posted October 3, 2025 13 hours ago, Ire said: I.. think I'm ready to say the second Ideal. I will remember those who have been forgotten. Congratulations! Though it is encouraged that you come up with your own Words. 38 minutes ago, YouCantHaveMySandwich said: OK I redid the perfectionist thing where I do multiple trials on the Radiant Quiz for my family Statistics Me, the Truthshaper there is: -Bondcaller -Windward -Elseweaver -Skywatcher -Dustrunner so yay family vibe=Windwatcher with some Elsecaller Nice 1
Ink and Embers Any pronouns Posted October 3, 2025 Posted October 3, 2025 Congratulations everybody!!!
Through The Living Ash he/him Posted October 3, 2025 Posted October 3, 2025 GUYS The quiz is rigged I plugged in 50% for every question and this is what came up: 3
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted October 4, 2025 Author Posted October 4, 2025 9 hours ago, Ashkaloda said: GUYS The quiz is rigged I plugged in 50% for every question and this is what came up: That's intentional. If you are neutral in everything, assuming you're even Radiant in the first place, you'd be a Willshaper. Each Radiant order has a target value for each question, and Willshapers' and Windrunners' target values have the least extremes, making 'em more common. 2
Through The Living Ash he/him Posted October 4, 2025 Posted October 4, 2025 15 hours ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said: That's intentional. If you are neutral in everything, assuming you're even Radiant in the first place, you'd be a Willshaper. Each Radiant order has a target value for each question, and Willshapers' and Windrunners' target values have the least extremes, making 'em more common. I feel like that explanation makes too much sense for it to be true. 3
NerdSandwich she/her Posted October 6, 2025 Posted October 6, 2025 (edited) ok i plugged in all 100s and this is what i got Spoiler similar to my actual order except the middle is kinda not here's the all 0s one Spoiler so my theory is that may be more accurate for calculating orders by plugging in the value closest to how you feel and then the value farthest from how you feel (these will be lower in the order) and average them. The only problem I see is that as Ksauce was mentioning earlier, (in order) Willshapers and Windrunners and Lightweavers and Stonewards and Dustbringers are closest to the middle while Bondsmiths and Elsecallers and Edgedancers and Truthwatchers and Skybreakersare closest to the extremes. Curiously, the percent extreme does NOT correlate with the order's decisiveness AT ALL Any thoughts? Also any thoughts on how much higher the statistics are for 0s than 100s? are 0s just supposed to be more common? I guess they are. also 0s I was referring to as all the way to the left and 100s as all the way to the right for reference. also I redid the entire statistical average thing (cuz I wanted to be more honest with myself) and compiled my results, and then calculated how to put the exact values into the radiant quiz (no not telling you my method) Spoiler the main change I made was to tell the quiz I was more destructive but a liiiiiiiiiiittle bit (very deep down) more compassionate. Spoiler Averaged my order is (accounting for the tendency towards the middle calculated by @Ashkaloda) 1. Truthwatcher 2. Willshaper 3. Elsecaller 4. Lightweaver 5. Skybreaker 6. Dustbringer 7. Bondsmith 8. Windrunner 9. Stoneward 10. Edgedancer I also did another experiment... Bondsmith 100 Spoiler Windrunner 100 Spoiler Skybreaker 100 Spoiler Dustbringer 100 Spoiler Edgedancer 100 Spoiler Truthwatcher 100 Spoiler Lightweaver 100 Spoiler Elsecaller 100 Spoiler Willshaper 100 Spoiler Stoneward 100 Spoiler So far, I've noticed that there are some orders that tend to be higher than others on your list, no matter your order. Also: your percent matchup is NOT the same reversibly. A 100% Bondsmith is a 79% Windrunner but a 100% Windrunner is a 73% Bondsmith. Yes, Bondsmiths are purposefully less common. ok so in recap the way i did the statistic average DID cancel out the inequality to some orders because they are farther away from the middle. However, as for the orders' variation from the general Radiant consensus, there isn't really much I can do about that. If you are not one of those varying orders, then it is likely to be lower on your list. So YES IT IS KIND OF RIGGED AGAINST THE ORDERS THAT GO AGAINST THE GENERAL CONSENSUS. okkk so also for the less extreme orders the subsequent orders tend to be closer together. Edited October 7, 2025 by YouCantHaveMySandwich 3
Through The Living Ash he/him Posted October 6, 2025 Posted October 6, 2025 2 hours ago, YouCantHaveMySandwich said: ok i plugged in all 100s and this is what i got Hide contents similar to my actual order except the middle is kinda not here's the all 0s one Hide contents so my theory is that may be more accurate for calculating orders by plugging in the value closest to how you feel and then the value farthest from how you feel (these will be lower in the order) and average them. The only problem I see is that as Ksauce was mentioning earlier, Willshapers and Windrunners are closest to the middle while Bondsmiths and Elsecallers are closest to the extremes. Any thoughts? Also any thoughts on how much higher the statistics are for 0s than 100s? are 0s just supposed to be more common? also 0s I was referring to as all the way to the left and 100s as all the way to the right for reference. also I redid the entire statistical average thing (cuz I wanted to be more honest with myself) and compiled my results, and then calculated how to put the exact values into the radiant quiz (no not telling you my method) Hide contents the main change I made was to tell the quiz I was more destructive but a liiiiiiiiiiittle bit (very deep down) more compassionate. Hide contents Averaged my order is (accounting for the tendency towards the middle calculated by @Ashkaloda) 1. Truthwatcher 2. Willshaper 3. Elsecaller 4. Lightweaver 5. Skybreaker 6. Dustbringer 7. Bondsmith 8. Windrunner 9. Stoneward 10. Edgedancer Oh that's interesting. Now I have to repress my urge to spend the next few hours figuring out what each question's value changes and is weighed towards so I can see if it's really balanced. 1
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted October 7, 2025 Author Posted October 7, 2025 11 hours ago, YouCantHaveMySandwich said: ok i plugged in all 100s and this is what i got Hide contents similar to my actual order except the middle is kinda not here's the all 0s one Hide contents so my theory is that may be more accurate for calculating orders by plugging in the value closest to how you feel and then the value farthest from how you feel (these will be lower in the order) and average them. The only problem I see is that as Ksauce was mentioning earlier, (in order) Willshapers and Windrunners and Lightweavers and Stonewards and Dustbringers are closest to the middle while Bondsmiths and Elsecallers and Edgedancers and Truthwatchers and Skybreakersare closest to the extremes. Curiously, the percent extreme does NOT correlate with the order's decisiveness AT ALL Any thoughts? Also any thoughts on how much higher the statistics are for 0s than 100s? are 0s just supposed to be more common? I guess they are. also 0s I was referring to as all the way to the left and 100s as all the way to the right for reference. also I redid the entire statistical average thing (cuz I wanted to be more honest with myself) and compiled my results, and then calculated how to put the exact values into the radiant quiz (no not telling you my method) Hide contents the main change I made was to tell the quiz I was more destructive but a liiiiiiiiiiittle bit (very deep down) more compassionate. Hide contents Averaged my order is (accounting for the tendency towards the middle calculated by @Ashkaloda) 1. Truthwatcher 2. Willshaper 3. Elsecaller 4. Lightweaver 5. Skybreaker 6. Dustbringer 7. Bondsmith 8. Windrunner 9. Stoneward 10. Edgedancer I also did another experiment... Bondsmith 100 Hide contents Windrunner 100 Hide contents Skybreaker 100 Hide contents Dustbringer 100 Hide contents Edgedancer 100 Hide contents Truthwatcher 100 Hide contents Lightweaver 100 Hide contents So far, I've noticed that there are some orders that tend to be higher than others on your list, no matter your order. Also: your percent matchup is NOT the same reversibly. A 100% Bondsmith is a 79% Windrunner but a 100% Windrunner is a 73% Bondsmith. ok so in recap the way i did the statistic average DID cancel out the inequality to some orders because they are farther away from the middle. However, as for the orders' variation from the general Radiant consensus, there isn't really much I can do about that. If you are not one of those varying orders, then it is likely to be lower on your list. So YES IT IS KIND OF RIGGED AGAINST THE ORDERS THAT GO AGAINST THE GENERAL CONSENSUS. okkk so also for the less extreme orders the subsequent orders tend to be closer together. (in progress) I will finish the 100s and calculate the orders that stand out from everyone else (and compare them to the extremities of orders to see if there is a correlation). I will also calculate the general consensus for each question. hmm there are very little correlation between traits and surges but I will calculate them later. Bondsmiths, by the way, have the score intentionally reduced to account for their rarity on Roshar. 3
NerdSandwich she/her Posted October 7, 2025 Posted October 7, 2025 yeah i was kind of figuring that. My dad's a Bondcaller though. he had a reeeeeally high bondsmith percent
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted October 7, 2025 Author Posted October 7, 2025 7 minutes ago, YouCantHaveMySandwich said: yeah i was kind of figuring that. My dad's a Bondcaller though. he had a reeeeeally high bondsmith percent Interesting.
NerdSandwich she/her Posted October 7, 2025 Posted October 7, 2025 (edited) OFFICIAL!!!: the quiz IS rigged against Bondsmiths but NO OTHER ORDER. General Consensus Per Question (for all orders combined) Spoiler 52% favor Heart on Sleeve over Poker Face 68.5% favor Confident over Needs Reassurance 54% favor Daring over Cautious 54% favor Dojo over Library 57.2% favor Wolf Pack over Lone Wolf 56.7% favor Peacemaker over Firebrand 51.8% favor Spiritual over Skeptical 63.9% favor Leader over Facilitator 62% favor Guard Dog over Alley Cat 59.4% favor Compassionate over Dispassionate 59% favor Heart over Head 53% favor Reserved over Flamboyant 56.9% favor Spirit of Law over Letter of Law 56.9% favor Disciplined over Free-spirited 54.1% favor Obedient over Rebellious 55% favor Creative over Conventional 64.7% favor Dependable over Flexible 51.5% favor Head in Clouds over Down to Earth 61% favor Outside Box over Inside Lines 56.8% favor Tense over Relaxed 59.3% favor Decisive over Indecisive 50.9% favor Likes stability over Likes change 65% favor Planner over Spontaneous 59.1% favor Honorable Actions over Ends Justify Means 60.3% favor Serious over Playful 57.6% favor Tells truth over Bends truth 59.8% favor If it ain't broke, don't fix over Take things apart 55.9% favor Camping over Hotel 56.8% favor Fencing over Boxing 51.8% favor Scientific over Artistic 61.3% favor Street smart over Book smart 53.6% favor Paladin over Rogue 54.8% favor Competitive over Casual 71.5% favor Transparent over Need to Know woow i am the unfavored most times Edited October 9, 2025 by YouCantHaveMySandwich 3
Ink and Embers Any pronouns Posted October 7, 2025 Posted October 7, 2025 You are amazingly meticulous about this!!!!
The Great Wyver She/Her Posted October 7, 2025 Posted October 7, 2025 8 hours ago, YouCantHaveMySandwich said: (in progress) Sandy look at this in case you forgot again: compare them to the variation from general consensus and extremities of orders to see if there is a correlation). hmm there are very little correlation between traits and surges but I will calculate them later. OFFICIAL!!!: the quiz IS rigged against Bondsmiths but NO OTHER ORDER. General Consensus Per Question (for all orders combined) Hide contents 52% favor Heart on Sleeve over Poker Face 68.5% favor Confident over Needs Reassurance 54% favor Daring over Cautious 54% favor Dojo over Library 57.2% favor Wolf Pack over Lone Wolf 56.7% favor Peacemaker over Firebrand 51.8% favor Spiritual over Skeptical 63.9% favor Leader over Facilitator 62% favor Guard Dog over Alley Cat 59.4% favor Compassionate over Dispassionate 59% favor Heart over Head 53% favor Reserved over Flamboyant 56.9% favor Spirit of Law over Letter of Law 56.9% favor Disciplined over Free-spirited 54.1% favor Obedient over Rebellious 55% favor Creative over Conventional 64.7% favor Dependable over Flexible 51.5% favor Head in Clouds over Down to Earth 61% favor Outside Box over Inside Lines 56.8% favor Tense over Relaxed 59.3% favor Decisive over Indecisive 50.9% favor Likes stability over Likes change 65% favor Planner over Spontaneous 59.1% favor Honorable Actions over Ends Justify Means 60.3% favor Serious over Playful 57.6% favor Tells truth over Bends truth 59.8% favor If it ain't broke, don't fix over Take things apart 55.9% favor Camping over Hotel 56.8% favor Fencing over Boxing 51.8% favor Scientific over Artistic 61.3% favor Street smart over Book smart 53.6% favor Paladin over Rogue 54.8% favor Competitive over Casual 71.5% favor Transparent over Need to Know woow i am the unfavored most times How? What? What? I am in awe. What have you done. How. 1
Honors Spectral Image She/her Posted October 7, 2025 Posted October 7, 2025 8 hours ago, YouCantHaveMySandwich said: (in progress) Sandy look at this in case you forgot again: compare them to the variation from general consensus and extremities of orders to see if there is a correlation). hmm there are very little correlation between traits and surges but I will calculate them later. OFFICIAL!!!: the quiz IS rigged against Bondsmiths but NO OTHER ORDER. General Consensus Per Question (for all orders combined) Reveal hidden contents 52% favor Heart on Sleeve over Poker Face 68.5% favor Confident over Needs Reassurance 54% favor Daring over Cautious 54% favor Dojo over Library 57.2% favor Wolf Pack over Lone Wolf 56.7% favor Peacemaker over Firebrand 51.8% favor Spiritual over Skeptical 63.9% favor Leader over Facilitator 62% favor Guard Dog over Alley Cat 59.4% favor Compassionate over Dispassionate 59% favor Heart over Head 53% favor Reserved over Flamboyant 56.9% favor Spirit of Law over Letter of Law 56.9% favor Disciplined over Free-spirited 54.1% favor Obedient over Rebellious 55% favor Creative over Conventional 64.7% favor Dependable over Flexible 51.5% favor Head in Clouds over Down to Earth 61% favor Outside Box over Inside Lines 56.8% favor Tense over Relaxed 59.3% favor Decisive over Indecisive 50.9% favor Likes stability over Likes change 65% favor Planner over Spontaneous 59.1% favor Honorable Actions over Ends Justify Means 60.3% favor Serious over Playful 57.6% favor Tells truth over Bends truth 59.8% favor If it ain't broke, don't fix over Take things apart 55.9% favor Camping over Hotel 56.8% favor Fencing over Boxing 51.8% favor Scientific over Artistic 61.3% favor Street smart over Book smart 53.6% favor Paladin over Rogue 54.8% favor Competitive over Casual 71.5% favor Transparent over Need to Know woow i am the unfavored most times Well that makes sense considering there can only be theee
KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him Posted October 8, 2025 Author Posted October 8, 2025 15 hours ago, YouCantHaveMySandwich said: (in progress) Sandy look at this in case you forgot again: compare them to the variation from general consensus and extremities of orders to see if there is a correlation). hmm there are very little correlation between traits and surges but I will calculate them later. OFFICIAL!!!: the quiz IS rigged against Bondsmiths but NO OTHER ORDER. General Consensus Per Question (for all orders combined) Hide contents 52% favor Heart on Sleeve over Poker Face 68.5% favor Confident over Needs Reassurance 54% favor Daring over Cautious 54% favor Dojo over Library 57.2% favor Wolf Pack over Lone Wolf 56.7% favor Peacemaker over Firebrand 51.8% favor Spiritual over Skeptical 63.9% favor Leader over Facilitator 62% favor Guard Dog over Alley Cat 59.4% favor Compassionate over Dispassionate 59% favor Heart over Head 53% favor Reserved over Flamboyant 56.9% favor Spirit of Law over Letter of Law 56.9% favor Disciplined over Free-spirited 54.1% favor Obedient over Rebellious 55% favor Creative over Conventional 64.7% favor Dependable over Flexible 51.5% favor Head in Clouds over Down to Earth 61% favor Outside Box over Inside Lines 56.8% favor Tense over Relaxed 59.3% favor Decisive over Indecisive 50.9% favor Likes stability over Likes change 65% favor Planner over Spontaneous 59.1% favor Honorable Actions over Ends Justify Means 60.3% favor Serious over Playful 57.6% favor Tells truth over Bends truth 59.8% favor If it ain't broke, don't fix over Take things apart 55.9% favor Camping over Hotel 56.8% favor Fencing over Boxing 51.8% favor Scientific over Artistic 61.3% favor Street smart over Book smart 53.6% favor Paladin over Rogue 54.8% favor Competitive over Casual 71.5% favor Transparent over Need to Know woow i am the unfavored most times That's... impressive Wow 1
NerdSandwich she/her Posted October 8, 2025 Posted October 8, 2025 (edited) thanks Spoiler it was fun..... OK... NEWS @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren I FIGURED OUT HOW IT WORKS! so obviously i have already calculated the "ideal values" you would need to put in to the test to get a specific order. the way you get your score is... *prepares for math* OK first you take the "ideal value" for a specific order for a specific question and subtract it from what you answered. Then, you take out the minus sign if there is one. This is the DIFFERENCE between your value and the "ideal" value. OK, here's the part that tripped me up for a while. You have to SQUARE THE VALUE!!!! Then, you do that for literally all the questions. Add all these differences together. Then, you divide this compilation by 120,000 whew that number took me a while to find. Next, multiply this value by 1 hundred. Finally, use this equation: 100-*the number*= YOUR PERCENTAGE FOR THAT ORDER!!! Oh wow I figured out why Bondsmiths are less common. Before you divide it by 120,000 you multiply the compilation by 1.3. Then yeah divide by 120,000, multiply by 100 and subtract that from 100. AAAAH I'M GOING INSANE I WASTED SOO MUCH TIME ON THIS!!! OK so these are the orders that are less likely for you to get just because of their standard deviation. Edited October 9, 2025 by YouCantHaveMySandwich 2
Deppresionspren Posted October 10, 2025 Posted October 10, 2025 (edited) LIFE BEFORE DEATH. STRENGTH BEFORE WEAKNESS. JOURNEY BEFORE DESTINATION. By the way, I have been sharing ideals for a while before I found this, funny enough. Shall I say those words which have already been spoken? Edited October 10, 2025 by Deppresionspren Typo 3
NerdSandwich she/her Posted October 10, 2025 Posted October 10, 2025 If you feel ready to say the Words, then yes.
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