Potential other God metals and what they could do.

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

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so we know we have lerasium and Atium as well as Harmonium (which should be Sazium) Trellium (should be like Bavadium) and Raysium so what would the other metals be also what would they do?

the other known shards are:

Devotion; Aona

Dominion; Skai

Cultivation; Koravellium Avast

Honor; Tanavast

Endowment; Edgli

Ambition; Uli da

Mercy; Unknown

Valor; Medalantorius

Invention; Chan Co Star

Whimsey; Unknown

Virtuosity; Unknown

Reason; Eudirius

Which would be: Aonium, Skaium, Korellium, Tanium, Edglium, Ulium, Medalantrium, Chanium, Eudium.

which lead us again to my question: What would they do? (also if you have a better name tell me it please)

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

7 hours ago, Bel Oh said:

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First of all, General Brandon discussion is not for book discussion, as it says in the description. Cosmere Discussion would be the better place, but since your post contains Wind and Truth spoilers, I've moved it to the Wind and Truth spoiler board

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

52 minutes ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

First of all, General Brandon discussion is not for book discussion, as it says in the description. Cosmere Discussion would be the better place, but since your post contains Wind and Truth spoilers, I've moved it to the Wind and Truth spoiler board

Thank you I am never sure where to put things

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

10 hours ago, Bel Oh said:

(If this is in the wrong place Moderators Please move it.)

so we know we have lerasium and Atium as well as Harmonium (which should be Sazium) Trellium (should be like Bavadium) and Raysium so what would the other metals be also what would they do?

the other known shards are:

Devotion; Aona

Dominion; Skai

Cultivation; Koravellium Avast

Honor; Tanavast

Endowment; Edgli

Ambition; Uli da

Mercy; Unknown

Valor; Medalantorius

Invention; Chan Co Star

Whimsey; Unknown

Virtuosity; Unknown

Reason; Eudirius

Which would be: Aonium, Skaium, Korellium, Tanium, Edglium, Ulium, Medalantrium, Chanium, Eudium.

which lead us again to my question: What would they do? (also if you have a better name tell me it please)

Well we do already have Tanavastium (although it's not named). That's what Honorblades and Shardplate are made of. Honorblades seem to be pure Tanavastium while Radiant Blades and Plate are an alloy of "Tanavastium" and "Korevellium"

[Belandrius Ohhmar He/Him]

things we know:

Atium; Hemalurgy: Steal attributes, Buring: future Visionish, feruchemy: Store Age

Lerasium; Hemlurgy: Steals Abilities, Burning: Makes them into Mistborn or enhances Mistborn abilities, Feruchemy: Unkown

Harmonium: Probably both

Trellium: Hemalurgy: Steal Investiture, Burning: Unknown, Feruchemy: Unknown

So others what would they do in these categories?

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

6 hours ago, Bel Oh said:

Thank you I am never sure where to put things

That's what the forum descriptions and titles are for 
For example, the General Discussion forum description says:

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The place to discuss anything that isn't related to Brandon, and doesn't fit into our other forums. 

And that can give you a good indication that a discussion about Shards and their metals shouldn't go there, since they're related to Brandon.
And since your post contains Wind and Truth spoilers and Cosmere spoilers, the Wind and Truth Spoiler Board (Cosmere spoilers allowed) subforum seems like a clear choice. 

If you still can't figure out where a post should go, looking at other posts in a given forum/subforum might give you a good idea whether it's the right place, or you can feel free to ask in this thread:

[Through The Living Ash he/him]

Each God Metal has an intrinsic ability in addition to its abilities in the Metallic Arts, which we do not know for the ones you listed above (Atium, Lerasium, etc.). These do not appear to follow a pattern or be particularly related to the Shard's Intent, so it is hard to predict what other ones might do. Brandon has indicated that Devotion and Dominion would have a combined God Metal (Dorium?). 

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Is there a metal form of the Dor?

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There is a metal form of the Dor.

The only thing that we could really guess about God Metals is their Hemalurgic effects. I would postulate that Raysium steals emotions when used as a spike. While not particularly useful, this could be interesting to see in a character. 

[Hoids Imaginary Friend]

8 hours ago, Bel Oh said:

things we know:

Atium; Hemalurgy: Steal attributes, Buring: future Visionish, feruchemy: Store Age

Lerasium; Hemlurgy: Steals Abilities, Burning: Makes them into Mistborn or enhances Mistborn abilities, Feruchemy: Unkown

Harmonium: Probably both

Trellium: Hemalurgy: Steal Investiture, Burning: Unknown, Feruchemy: Unknown

So others what would they do in these categories?

 

Due to the Atium retcon we don't really know what it does other than Allomantically, which apparently is shown at the end of HoA. The retcon was due to Mr S wanting God metals to be burned by anyone (like Lerasium) and the Atium we saw is now an Atium / electrum alloy.

There's an older WoB where he says that we haven't seen what Lerasium actually does allomanticically, making you a mistborn was a side affect. Which kinda contradicts the above retcon..

Still, I'm curious to know what happened to those Honorblade chips Nightblood made.

Do they reform when the honorblade is dismissed or are there little bits of Tanavastium lying about? That can be burned by anyone..!

 

Edited May 2, 2025 by Hoids Imaginary Friend

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

1 hour ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

 

Due to the Atium retcon we don't really know what it does other than Allomantically, which apparently is shown at the end of HoA. The retcon was due to Mr S wanting God metals to be burned by anyone (like Lerasium) and the Atium we saw is now an Atium / electrum alloy.

There's an older WoB where he says that we haven't seen what Lerasium actually does allomanticically, making you a mistborn was a side affect. Which kinda contradicts the above retcon..

Still, I'm curious to know what happened to those Honorblade chips Nightblood made.

Do they reform when the honorblade is dismissed or are there little bits of Tanavastium lying about? That can be burned by anyone..!

 

Wait so if anyone can burn God Metals, how do you know if someone is Seer? Do Seers actually exist?

[Hoids Imaginary Friend]

2 hours ago, SpartanBrigade said:

Wait so if anyone can burn God Metals, how do you know if someone is Seer? Do Seers actually exist?

In universe they dont know it was an Atium alloy, so a seer is still an "Atium" misting as far as they / we are concerned in that respect.

IIRC, they were actually electrum mistings.

Which opens up the possibility of mistings being capable of burning their God metal alloy counterparts, which as far as im aware can't be burned by everyone like pure god metals - e.g. end of HoA.

[Entr0pic He/him]

I think I’ve heard this theory somewhere already, but what if you alloy lerasuim with any other god metal, the burner would gain the magic system of that respective shard. 

IE burning a tanavastium/lerasuim alloy might give you access to surgebing (prob adhesion, bc its “honor’s truest surge”)

[AlmightyGir]

17 hours ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

 

Due to the Atium retcon we don't really know what it does other than Allomantically, which apparently is shown at the end of HoA. The retcon was due to Mr S wanting God metals to be burned by anyone (like Lerasium) and the Atium we saw is now an Atium / electrum alloy.

There's an older WoB where he says that we haven't seen what Lerasium actually does allomanticically, making you a mistborn was a side affect. Which kinda contradicts the above retcon..

Still, I'm curious to know what happened to those Honorblade chips Nightblood made.

Do they reform when the honorblade is dismissed or are there little bits of Tanavastium lying about? That can be burned by anyone..!

 

Interesting, I'd never heard of this retcon.

That does beg the question though, could someone just swallow a bead of Tanavastium or Raysium? And if so, what would they do?

Also, I believe in-world, they've already discovered that Ettmetal is incredibly volatile, it basically reacts to water and acid the way Cesium does in real life. So I imagine if someone swallowed it, they'd simply explode. Violently.

Maybe if they swallowed a bead of it, encased in oil, inside glass?

[Nitpicking]

18 hours ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

Due to the Atium retcon we don't really know what it does other than Allomantically, which apparently is shown at the end of HoA. The retcon was due to Mr S wanting God metals to be burned by anyone (like Lerasium) and the Atium we saw is now an Atium / electrum alloy.\

This always bothers me.

Electrum is an alloy. Properly, the "atium" Vin used to burn is an alloy of gold, silver, and atium.

[Cosmer]

Kind of weird we never heard of the Southern Scadrians trying to burn Harmonium. They have it…surely they would have tried. Might have met an explosive end but interesting it was never mentioned in Era 2. Interesting and a bummer because it seems like a plot hole to me. The most obvious thing a Scadrian would do is try to ingest and burn it! (Coated in oil first obviously!) 

[Nitpicking]

FWIW, there's an actual swallowable piece of Tanavastium somewhere. Nightblood chipped off a chunk of Ishar's Honorblade. I spent all of WaT waiting for Hoid to burn it allomantically.

[AlmightyGir]

Are the shardblades created from deadeye spren pure Tanavastium? Or are they an alloy of Tanavastium and Korellium? One would assume the latter, in varying degrees in either direction... Deadeye Honorspren being pure Tanavastium (or close to) and deadeye Cultivationspren being pure Korellium (or close to).

What would burning *those* chips do?

[Nitpicking]

@AlmightyGir, I think what you write applies to all spren, no just deadeyes.

If you can chip an Honorblade, why couldn't you chip a living sprenblade? "Deadeye" spren are not, in fact, dead.

[killersquirrel59 he/him]

On 5/2/2025 at 4:13 PM, Nitpicking said:

This always bothers me.

Electrum is an alloy. Properly, the "atium" Vin used to burn is an alloy of gold, silver, and atium.

Not really. It's like Wax says in Alloy of Law when he's talking about alloys. When you make an alloy, you aren't just mixing the two metals together. You are making a new metal with different properties than a simple combination of the component elements. I know a little bit about metallurgy (not an expert though so any actual experts please feel free to correct me) and this is largely true. An alloy that is then alloyed itself with something new isn't the same as alloying the base components together. For example, alloying certain types of modern steels are not done in one process, alloying the iron, carbon, and other components. First they make steel, then alloy the other components into the steel through secondary smelting processes. 
 

You could make the case that in allomantic framework, each metal only has one alloy, but the god metals are supposed to break the normal rules, so I see this as simply a reflection of that point. 

Edited May 4, 2025 by killersquirrel59
quoted wrong person

[Hoids Imaginary Friend]

On 5/3/2025 at 9:13 AM, Nitpicking said:

This always bothers me.

Electrum is an alloy. Properly, the "atium" Vin used to burn is an alloy of gold, silver, and atium.

 

1 hour ago, killersquirrel59 said:

Not really. It's like Wax says in Alloy of Law when he's talking about alloys. When you make an alloy, you aren't just mixing the two metals together. You are making a new metal with different properties than a simple combination of the component elements. I know a little bit about metallurgy (not an expert though so any actual experts please feel free to correct me) and this is largely true. An alloy that is then alloyed itself with something new isn't the same as alloying the base components together. For example, alloying certain types of modern steels are not done in one process, alloying the iron, carbon, and other components. First they make steel, then alloy the other components into the steel through secondary smelting processes. 
 

You could make the case that in allomantic framework, each metal only has one alloy, but the god metals are supposed to break the normal rules, so I see this as simply a reflection of that point. 

Yeah, some of the 16 natural metals are alloys. Like brass, which is a zinc and copper, which is interesting..

 

Now I feel i should look up the rest

[Through The Living Ash he/him]

9 hours ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

 

Yeah, some of the 16 natural metals are alloys. Like brass, which is a zinc and copper, which is interesting..

 

Now I feel i should look up the rest

How the metals work is among the 8 basic metals, 4 are elemental, and each elemental metal has an alloy that serves as the push to its pull. For example, steel is mainly an iron alloy, and pewter is an alloy of tin. This is the same with the higher metals as well, meaning that bendalloy is an alloy of cadmium and nicrosil of chromium, etc. 

[ParaTulip fae/faer (declines as she/her)]

To get back at trying to work out what we can know about the topic of god metals, we have only three points of canon data, granting the atium retcon which makes them actually a bit clearer. Those are: Pure Lerasium, Atium-Gold alloy (Malatium, the 11th metal, etc), and lastly the Electrum-Atium alloy that everyone had just been calling Atium in era 1.

 

Lerasium seems to give a person a strong Connection to Preservation, such that they become a Mistborn, and that Connection is passed down genetically, such that their children tend to be mistings and mistborn.

The two versions of Atium we see both seem to reverse the targeting of the internal temporal metals; Gold-Atium shows another person's potential self while Electrum-Atium shows all other future actions instead of the users'.

This suggests to me that there's at least two possibilities for a God-metal's effects, maybe having to do with how the Intent of the Shard in question relates to Preservation. Either the metal adheres the user to the Shard in some way, or the metal produces some kind of abberation in the normal burning of an alloy. I would also note that Elend seems to get Leras' plans in a leap of intuition, so that adhering might take on a kind of Cognitive dimension as much as a Spiritual one.

So, for Tavastium, it might produce something like an innate ability to use the surges of the honorblade from which the metal is taken from. An aside: Does anyone have any clue what makes each honorblade have different functions? My guesses would be that they are either alloyed with some amount of mundane metal(s) or it's their physical shape. I lean towards the first one, since I feel like chipping the blade bondsmith blade would have done something really weird otherwise. If that's the case, the pure Tanavastium might be impossible to get without trying to refine it out of the Honorblades. Either way, I imagine this connection to Honor would come with some intuitions towards what the words to radiant oaths are. The effeciency of this ability is probably really bad, like as bad as the Honorblades but with a lower maximum output, since it's Connection to Honor via a material process and not oaths, and it's only part of the honorblade is being used.

Raysium is harder to guess at, since it's only known property is conducting Investiture. I assume burning it is bad for the mental health of whoever is doing it, since Odium's investiture seems to be negative mental health juice, but otherwise I would just imagine it being able to move Investiture between bodies while burned, a kind of Chromium plus, but I think that guess is based on the intuitions that came from Atium being presented as unalloyed. Otherwise, it might provide an effect like how Curse Energy in Jujutsu Kaisen is created: The consumer of Raysium produces Voidlight when experiencing intense, overwhelming, emotion. This would fit in with how Taravagian "feeds" Odium with his own intensity and how Rayse used to drain away his follower's emotions.

[Njvodin]

On 5/12/2025 at 2:23 AM, ParaTulip said:

This suggests to me that there's at least two possibilities for a God-metal's effects, maybe having to do with how the Intent of the Shard in question relates to Preservation. Either the metal adheres the user to the Shard in some way, or the metal produces some kind of abberation in the normal burning of an alloy. I would also note that Elend seems to get Leras' plans in a leap of intuition, so that adhering might take on a kind of Cognitive dimension as much as a Spiritual one.

So, for Tavastium, it might produce something like an innate ability to use the surges of the honorblade from which the metal is taken from. An aside: Does anyone have any clue what makes each honorblade have different functions? My guesses would be that they are either alloyed with some amount of mundane metal(s) or it's their physical shape. I lean towards the first one, since I feel like chipping the blade bondsmith blade would have done something really weird otherwise. If that's the case, the pure Tanavastium might be impossible to get without trying to refine it out of the Honorblades. Either way, I imagine this connection to Honor would come with some intuitions towards what the words to radiant oaths are. The effeciency of this ability is probably really bad, like as bad as the Honorblades but with a lower maximum output, since it's Connection to Honor via a material process and not oaths, and it's only part of the honorblade is being used.

Raysium is harder to guess at, since it's only known property is conducting Investiture. I assume burning it is bad for the mental health of whoever is doing it, since Odium's investiture seems to be negative mental health juice, but otherwise I would just imagine it being able to move Investiture between bodies while burned, a kind of Chromium plus, but I think that guess is based on the intuitions that came from Atium being presented as unalloyed. Otherwise, it might provide an effect like how Curse Energy in Jujutsu Kaisen is created: The consumer of Raysium produces Voidlight when experiencing intense, overwhelming, emotion. This would fit in with how Taravagian "feeds" Odium with his own intensity and how Rayse used to drain away his follower's emotions.

I'd agree with the point that a God-metal's ability is affected by the Intent of the parent Shard, however I feel like Tanavastium and Raysium would not have those effects. I say this because the Vessel's views on the Intent of the Shard do not affect how a magic system's power works (except for direct change, like with how Snapping changed). For example, Scadrial's Mistborn, Feruchemists, and Hemalurgists work almost the exact same way, if not the exact same way, pre- and post- Catacendre. This is also indicated how Lerasium works the same way, regardless of the holder of the Shard.

To me, this means that Tanavastium most likely would be more tied to Spiritual Connection in the form of Bonds, possibly with some form of Bondsmithing. I say this, because the surge of Bondsmithing is purely of Honor, not a mix with Cultivation.
The Intent of Honor, as defined by the Coppermind, seeks to uphold oaths and agreements, and to bind things together. This could mean that, while burning Tanavastium, word is literally law, i.e. if someone said "I swear that I will give you 10 diamond chips by tomorrow", then they HAVE to do that (or else?)

I do like your idea of Raysium, but I feel like we also can't ignore Rayse's perspective (not specifically his views upon holding the Shard, but his perspective) on Odium, where the "true" Intent of Odium is feeling emotion, and Passion. Many other people such as Hoid and Frost say that Odium is the Shard of God's divine wrath, but Rayse believes it is simply just feeling emotions.
Taravangian also states that feeling emotion is more accurate than Hoid's interpretation of only hatred and wrath, but also says that subtler emotions like "love" don't register with the Shard, and it tends to like anger above all others. 
So, knowing all this about Odium's Intent, I feel like burning Raysium opens the user to high intensity emotion, instead of just being bad for the mental health. As for the ability it gives, I do like how you think it could be Chromium-plus lol. 
I feel like it could be like that, but I also want to think up other ways the Intent could affect the ability of the metal.
So, it could be like super-powerful emotional Allomancy, but without the subtlety, so its just like a massive Riot or Soothe. That seems a bit lame though. Maybe it allows you to feel what the target is feeling, something that emotional Allomancy notably does NOT allow (except maybe with Hemalurgic constructs? unclear). 

 

It could be that these theories/predictions from me might be a little too on the nose, as Lerasium and Preservation's Intent are only loosely related (giving you Connection to a magic system + preserving things?), and Atium and Ruin's Intent are even more so.

At the end of the day, it's hard to say what anything will be in the future (mechanics-wise), because it's up to Brandon's creative decision, and not everything has a 100% plan. It is fun to theorise though

[Nitpicking]

Bondsmithing is not uniquely of Honor. Odium empowered the original Bondsmith, Ishar, on Ashyn. During the first era of the Radiants, there was one Bondsmith of Honor (bonded the Stormfather), one of Cultivation (bonded the Nightwatcher) and one mixed (bonded the Sibling).

[Lord Ruler Sylphrena He/Him]

On 5/27/2025 at 11:07 AM, Nitpicking said:

Bondsmithing is not uniquely of Honor. Odium empowered the original Bondsmith, Ishar, on Ashyn. During the first era of the Radiants, there was one Bondsmith of Honor (bonded the Stormfather), one of Cultivation (bonded the Nightwatcher) and one mixed (bonded the Sibling).

While Ishar was on Ashyn I believe their powers were different back then. They had microkinisis not surgebinding and while those appear to mostly line up I would assume he wasn't a bondsmith on Ashyn so Oduim would have given him different abilities. Another point is that the surge of adhesion which most of the bondsmith abilities rely on is stated many times to be purely of honor and has no voidbinding equivalent. The Nightwatcher and Sibling while having more of Cultivation in them do contain honors power to use surgebinding. We also haven't see a Nightwatcher bondsmith before and its also possible their powers might relate to the magic Cultivation uses rather then surgebinding.

[Through The Living Ash he/him]

1 hour ago, Lord Ruler Sylphrena said:

While Ishar was on Ashyn I believe their powers were different back then. They had microkinisis not surgebinding and while those appear to mostly line up I would assume he wasn't a bondsmith on Ashyn so Oduim would have given him different abilities. Another point is that the surge of adhesion which most of the bondsmith abilities rely on is stated many times to be purely of honor and has no voidbinding equivalent. The Nightwatcher and Sibling while having more of Cultivation in them do contain honors power to use surgebinding. We also haven't see a Nightwatcher bondsmith before and its also possible their powers might relate to the magic Cultivation uses rather then surgebinding.

The Heralds on Ashyn did have access to Surgebinding, granted to them by Odium and Honor. Their Surgebinding was unrestricted and similar to Microkinesis, but was not Microkinesis. I would argue that the Nightwatcher does not have to have Honors power as Odium is capable of granting Surgebinding on his own, so there is no reason why Cultivation should not be.