Penultimate(?) Release Chapters - 33

[Dreamwa1ker she/her]

3 hours ago, Storm-It said:

There isn't any reason to think that radiant abilities are likely to be similar in families. We know that the Davars and Kholins both include multiple orders, but Lift's fond memories of her mother in addition to their shared surges, make me wonder if Vev may be a strong candidate as her mother. What has Vev been up to lately?

Vev has been theorized to be Liss, the assassin Jasnah is hiring to spy on Aesudan in one of the Prologues. Her physical description matches up pretty well with Vedel's Herald art, and an assassin works pretty well as her madness/inversion of her Healing and Loving attributes.

However whether Liss/Vedel could be Lift's mother, I would need to do a reread looking for evidence of her mother's death or not, and how that timeline would work out. We don't know anything about Liss after Gavilars death, but also Liss had been active with Jasnah for a while presumably in Kholinar and Lift would have been several years old already at the time - Lift'searlier life was in Rall Elorim. I don't know that it works unless Lift is stating loss of her mother at a very young age. And I don't think that works unless Lift waited a long time after her mother's death to go to the Nightwatcher because she had made the statement about how long she had been ten, implying the age she was when she got her boon.

[FireCaste]

I assume we know too little reliable information about Lift to guess what actually happened to her and where she is from.

She has got the Nightwatcher Boon/Cruse thing, but how would a ten-year-old managed to visit her on her own? Did someone bring her there (because she was special - "awesome" even before her visit?) or was she and her mother on the way there together, and they were separated shortly before they reached the cave?

And as we know from Dalinar, Cultivation has the same abilities as her creation. So perhaps Lift never went anywhere, but was visited....?

[Isilel]

5 hours ago, Dreamwa1ker said:

And I don't think that works unless Lift waited a long time after her mother's death to go to the Nightwatcher because she had made the statement about how long she had been ten, implying the age she was when she got her boon.

 

Looking at the map of Roshar, one needs to cross half the continent to get from Rall Elorim to the Nightwatcher's Valley. A young child, travelling on foot, needing to find food and shelter on the way somehow? It should have taken her years, even if she set off immediately after her mother's death... Or "death". Maybe even... About 3 years? To fit the timing of Gavilar's and that Herald's death.

[+Child of Hodor]

5 hours ago, Isilel said:

 

Looking at the map of Roshar, one needs to cross half the continent to get from Rall Elorim to the Nightwatcher's Valley. A young child, travelling on foot, needing to find food and shelter on the way somehow? It should have taken her years, even if she set off immediately after her mother's death... Or "death". Maybe even... About 3 years? To fit the timing of Gavilar's and that Herald's death.

She probably just hitched rides from town to town to get close and walked the final leg. Hitching is how she got to Yeddaw to Edgedancer. I doubt she walked much of the distance. 

[teknopathetic he/him]

On 11/28/2024 at 11:25 AM, Child of Hodor said:

She probably just hitched rides from town to town to get close and walked the final leg. Hitching is how she got to Yeddaw to Edgedancer. I doubt she walked much of the distance. 

Is it possible the Nightwatcher/cultivation might also go to that creepy “city of shadows” called  Rall Elorim?
 

We don’t know why everyone thinks it’s so creepy, but maybe the creepiness has something to do with the Night or something? 
 

I realize we’ve been told you have to go to the valley, but maybe cultivation made an exception. And as far as I know, Lift has never spoken of how she met Cultivation 

Edited November 30, 2024 by teknopathetic

[Storm-It he/him]

 

1 hour ago, teknopathetic said:

Is it possible the Nightwatcher/cultivation might also go to that creepy “city of shadows” called  Rall Elorim?
 

We don’t know why everyone thinks it’s so creepy, but maybe the creepiness has something to do with the Night or something? 
 

I realize we’ve been told you have to go to the valley, but maybe cultivation made an exception. And as far as I know, Lift has never spoken of how she met Cultivation 

It's a bit vague, but in RoW Lift says

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Cultivation was supposed to be some sort of starvin’ god. It was her fault if a little girl came and begged for a promise, and the god deliberately misinterpreted and …

It seems like Lift went to the Valley to me.

Also in the same passage regarding Lift's mother

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The last time things felt right, Lift thought, I was with her. Before she got sick. And I was her little girl. If she saw me now, she wouldn’t recognize me.

This could be a reference to her mother's emergent mental illness.

I really want to know what the deal with with Rall Elorim, but I'm guessing that will be more of a back half plot line.

[Isilel]

On 11/27/2024 at 12:28 AM, Ashbringer said:

Seeing as Lift has taken Gav on mini excursions through the ventilation shafts before... he's clearly not being watched too carefully. I don't know if they'd have an idea where he'd gone, or if he'd gone wherever "Lift" was supposed to be while Lift is playing Navani.

 

It is one thing if a child sneaks off for a couple of hours, but quite another if he vanishes for days. Particularly a royal child. Unless Wit and Lift somehow fake his being with them, they would immediately blow their cover if they don't order massive searches and other measures to look for him. Something the Coalition's strained resources absolutely don't need.

 

On 11/27/2024 at 12:28 AM, Ashbringer said:

The Lightweavers might figure it out, but there's a decent chance they'd figure it out anyway, if Lopen/Rua did. I think they'd be smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

 

The trouble is that the Lightweavers don't need to figure out anything, they just need to idly look into Shadesmar and it would be immediately obvious that Hoid and Lift have different soul-flames than the Bondsmiths. They'd need to be either sent away or co-opted before they blurt the truth out in surprise. Lopen didn't figure out the substitution btw, at least not yet.

 

On 11/28/2024 at 9:12 AM, Dreamwa1ker said:

However whether Liss/Vedel could be Lift's mother,

 

I am not sure how much the book art resembles the Heralds' true appearance, but the only "tan" woman is Pailiah. Interestingly, she also has long  black hair and, unlike earlier speculations about her, looks young. Shalash is brown and the other 3 have fair skin.

 

On 11/28/2024 at 8:25 PM, Child of Hodor said:

She probably just hitched rides from town to town to get close and walked the final leg. Hitching is how she got to Yeddaw to Edgedancer. I doubt she walked much of the distance. 

 

I very much doubt that a 7-year-old Lift would have been as adept at hitching rides and quickly obtaining food as a 13-year-old one. And even if - all overland transport on Roshar happens at pedestrian speed at best, since chulls can't move any quicker. It is entirely believable for her to have taken years to cross half a continent. It is a miracle that she did reach the Valley at the tender age of 10 at all.

Edited November 30, 2024 by Isilel

[lives4cosmo]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:52 AM, Ninth of the Night said:

Oh man what a chapter. So much to unpack.

Yeah it's because he was on Braize. Ishar had no way of reaching him, therefore no way to siphon off any pain, plus Taln was still being tortured so it would do no good regardless. The other Heralds had to occasionally visit Ishar for some healing sessions.

A small detail I noticed, when Hoid draws in Stormlight it doesn't mention him breathing it in. I think this is the first time we see someone take in Stormlight without any motion to facilitate the process. We knew this was possible of course, it's just cool to see Hoid's mastery of Investiture.

Speaking of which, I think Hoid confirmed that Lift is a Dawnshard. What else could cause her to be so highly Invested?

Seems highly unlikely for three shards to be on roshar. Change, Wit's and Lift's

[teknopathetic he/him]

19 hours ago, lives4cosmo said:

Seems highly unlikely for three shards to be on roshar. Change, Wit's and Lift's

It seems like man them used to be on Roshar. Honour seems to think it’s hopeless now that the dawnshards are lost, which implies a plural amount of them used to be at hand. 
 

They thought change was lost, but it wasn’t. And Sig needs to get his. Maybe the other 2 are also still hiding on Roshar? 

Edited December 1, 2024 by teknopathetic