What is Hoid hiding from whom?

[+Oltux72 he/him]

Why did Hoid go to the trouble of picking a room where they cannot be overheard? They are going to open a perpendicularity and they already discussed that in a room not so equipped. They also discussed the reasons for going into the Spiritual Realm. They connected the watches in another room. A perpendicularity is not exactly easy to hide. Him having a rock from Ashyn is hardly that important. What is going on?

Did he want Lift to be nearby?

[Kfish]

I think he is just worried that they'll talk out loud and reveal potentially world shattering secrets like dalinar did in his visions 

[Isilel]

Yea, if he is worried about being overheard, he should pay attention to the video game-esque air ducts. It is becoming fairly annoying how easy it is to sneak in anywhere and eavesdrop. Who needs traitorous ashspren anymore?

[teknopathetic he/him]

My mind assumed he was afraid of Sleepless listening in. In this loud room, he can watch for cremlings who get too close to listen. 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

37 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

My mind assumed he was afraid of Sleepless listening in. In this loud room, he can watch for cremlings who get too close to listen. 

Listening for what?

1 hour ago, Kfish said:

I think he is just worried that they'll talk out loud and reveal potentially world shattering secrets like dalinar did in his visions 

After people getting into contact with Kalak? And why does Hoid care? And why doesn't he just order people out? And why doesn't his life sense reveal Wyndle?

[teknopathetic he/him]

1 minute ago, Oltux72 said:

Listening for what?

After people getting into contact with Kalak? And why does Hoid care? And why doesn't he just order people out? And why doesn't his life sense reveal Wyndle?

Well, Hoid can't be sure. They are experimenting and trying to send Daliar and Navani somewhere controlled. But maybe it doesn't go that way and Dalinar accidentally goes to some point in time that exposes one of Hoid's secrets. Or even the other team getting intel on how well/poorly the experiment goes will be a problem. 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

10 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

Well, Hoid can't be sure. They are experimenting and trying to send Daliar and Navani somewhere controlled. But maybe it doesn't go that way and Dalinar accidentally goes to some point in time that exposes one of Hoid's secrets. Or even the other team getting intel on how well/poorly the experiment goes will be a problem. 

If they learned something like that, what would he do? Wipe their memories? He cannot harm people. And why does he use an object of his own? He could go to the gem archive or use something else. As for the other team learning, they will sooner or later have to talk about this with other people.

[teknopathetic he/him]

1 hour ago, Oltux72 said:

If they learned something like that, what would he do? Wipe their memories? He cannot harm people. And why does he use an object of his own? He could go to the gem archive or use something else. As for the other team learning, they will sooner or later have to talk about this with other people.

Hoid is okay with Dalinar learning something. He has taken that risk. That doesn't mean Hoid wants to make it as easy as possible for other factions to learn something valuable. In previous books, Hoid has been specifically upset that the Sleepless have infiltrated his private meetings (the cremling pen for example). 

Hoid believes at last one sleepless is working against Jasnah's team, so Hoid has every reason to try and keep things as secret as possible. The less the Sleepless know about what Dalinar is doing, the more control team Dalinar has. 

No one knows how this Dalinar thing will go or if it will work. This is uncharted territory for even Hoid. Therefor, other factions might be interested in learning what happens here. Hoid's enemies could gai meaningful intel on how perpendicularity teachers work with Bondsmiths, and this sort of power is one of the only distinct advantages Team Honour has. If I were Hoid, I wouldn't want the enemy knowing the limits and/or abilities of this either. 

What if it turns out Dalinar could go into thepast and watching a Ghostblood meeting from a year ago if he had the right connection? That would be extremely valuable information to know or to hide from the other side. 

Edited November 18, 2024 by teknopathetic

[Ashbringer he/him]

The Stormfather has some secret about Honor. Odium thought he killed (and presumably thought he Splintered) Honor. Dalinar is going to try to Ascend to Honor.

I'd guess that Hoid is trying to make sure Odium or other forces doesn't learn about what happened with Honor before Dalinar can try and bind.

 

Hoid may also just be trying to be careful. He knows there's ground that hasn't been broken before with the new Odium, and he knows at least some of the Ghostbloods' plans / would have some awareness of the danger of what's happening.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

5 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

The Stormfather has some secret about Honor. Odium thought he killed (and presumably thought he Splintered) Honor. Dalinar is going to try to Ascend to Honor.

Right after they discussed that very thing in rooms not secured in this manner?

[Ashbringer he/him]

1 hour ago, Oltux72 said:

Right after they discussed that very thing in rooms not secured in this manner?

Not as explicitly. And if Dalinar “finds”Honor in the past, he may have to go find it before Odium can truly Splinter it.

I don’t know. But I don’t think Hoid does either. He’s being overly cautious.

[Kfish]

On 11/19/2024 at 2:06 AM, Ashbringer said:

Not as explicitly. And if Dalinar “finds”Honor in the past, he may have to go find it before Odium can truly Splinter it.

I don’t know. But I don’t think Hoid does either. He’s being overly cautious.

They don't have to "find" Honor after finding it in the Spiritual Realm. Honor - the shard - exists solely in the Spiritual right now. It's not sitting in the physical or cognitive somewhere waiting to be grabbed.

[teknopathetic he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kfish said:

They don't have to "find" Honor after finding it in the Spiritual Realm. Honor - the shard - exists solely in the Spiritual right now. It's not sitting in the physical or cognitive somewhere waiting to be grabbed.

We don’t know that at all. No one seems to know why the power didn’t break or didn’t become sentient. Maybe Honour did hide it in “the hearts of men” in the physical realm. Who knows? 

[CognitiveShadow he/him]

Part of it is that this is one of the very few actions one can take in the Cosmere that makes Hoid nervous. He's trying to get them in a safe spot where they can have as much control as possible, without others surprising them or intervening with them. He's probably also extra paranoid now since the new Odium messed with his memories and showed some dangerous craftiness. 

That said, I'm surprised he didn't look into the CR and spot Shallan and others gathering around them as they got ready to start the process. You'd think Hoid would have seen them and gone "hold up, let's take a beat and figure out wtf is happening here first"

[Kfish]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:13 AM, teknopathetic said:

We don’t know that at all. No one seems to know why the power didn’t break or didn’t become sentient. Maybe Honour did hide it in “the hearts of men” in the physical realm. Who knows? 

It was explicitly stated that it is in the Spiritual Realm. 

[teknopathetic he/him]

12 minutes ago, Kfish said:

It was explicitly stated that it is in the Spiritual Realm. 

The way they talk about it, the answers are in the spiritual realm. But why the power didn't become sentient is a complete mystery.