Wind, Stone, and Night

[Quantus he/him]

So each of the three Godspren where built/birthed as a reflection of three more ancient Old Magic Spren: The Wind to The Stormfather, the Stone to the Sibling, and the Night to the Nightwatcher.  

• The Wind is apparently still around in some form, RAFO soon enough it seems. 
• The Stone is probably still present, likely related to the Shin Stone Shaman that consider any Stone to be a Spren (possibly a single specific spren.  I still like to think that the entire Rosharan Continent is a single Spren akin to the Cryptics, a spiraling Fractal shape, and continent is just it's raised body on the platetary surface not unlike Pattern's body being a raised pattern on the surface of a table.  
• "The Night Left"...  Where did they go?  Did they just go into hiding somewhere in the Rosharan System or did they manage to Disconnect enough to Leave the system entirely?  Being Disconnected is a primary trait of the Nightwatcher, did she inherit that from The Night?  Is the Nightwatcher's expressed purpose to search for, study, and or await the return of The Night?

 

Also, apparently, "Back [in the day] when Bondsmiths bonded not to spren, but to the ancient forces, left by gods."  Does that mean they were first Bonding the three Old Magic Spren directly and only later started Bonding the three Sibling Godspren that H&C created?  What Gods plural "left them" if they supposedly predate even the Shattering?  Is that just generically Pre-Shattering, or where there multiple active Gods in Adonalsium's time?  Would that be referring to the Dawnshards of the day, or perhaps the Prime Aethers? Or Dragons?  I dont know of any other godlike beings that were running around back then.  

[Ninth of the Night]

1 hour ago, Quantus said:

"The Night Left"...  Where did they go?

I think it's important to note that "leaving" in this case could have a broad definition, as it is the Sibling who said it. Much like the death of a spren isn't actually the destruction of their being, this could imply that the Night didn't just pack its bags and head off somewhere.

What seems more likely (and this is based on the Siblings words) is no one talked or thought about the Night, so it had no perception to continue its awareness. The Night still exists, but its voice "left".

Now since the Wind has started speaking again, I'm betting the Night will return as well.

Which has me super excited, if you can't tell by my username I'm a big fan of the Night lol

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

I'm guessing that the night was unmade into Re-Shephir, the midnight mother

[Zelly]

For some reason I thought back to the story Wit tells in Oathbringer about the moon sneaking off and pretending to be a person for a night.

I still say there's something weird about those moons! *crazy tinfoil hat*  Could Mishim be the "daughter" of Night?

[Quantus he/him]

On 10/15/2024 at 9:03 PM, Zelly said:

For some reason I thought back to the story Wit tells in Oathbringer about the moon sneaking off and pretending to be a person for a night.

I still say there's something weird about those moons! *crazy tinfoil hat*  Could Mishim be the "daughter" of Night?

Ive long been convinced that story is the secret Story of Tanavast's Downfall. Each of the three moons' color coding corresponds to one of the three shards. In the story the Green Celestial entity (Cultivation) gave their divinity away for a day so they could experience human life, nearly got tricked out of it, and when they got it back they discovered that in their absence the Blue-White Celestial had a child with the interloper, creating a Blue power.  (The violet Celestial Entity does not play any obvious role). I think Cultivation tried to make a bargain to take a break from Shardhood, and in doing so inadvertently tricked/cornered Tanavast into an Act of Infidelity with Cultivation's replacement (or at least gave the replacement the means and opportunity to trick him), a child resulted, and that act was Incompatible with the Shardic Intent of Honor that it drove him mad.  Also I think the child is one of the unrevealed Big Players in the past, BAM or Nohadon maybe?

[bmcclure7]

On 10/15/2024 at 10:49 AM, Ninth of the Night said:

I think it's important to note that "leaving" in this case could have a broad definition, as it is the Sibling who said it. Much like the death of a spren isn't actually the destruction of their being, this could imply that the Night didn't just pack its bags and head off somewhere.

What seems more likely (and this is based on the Siblings words) is no one talked or thought about the Night, so it had no perception to continue its awareness. The Night still exists, but its voice "left".

Now since the Wind has started speaking again, I'm betting the Night will return as well.

Which has me super excited, if you can't tell by my username I'm a big fan of the Night lol

You forget that it’s been revealed that the wind will leave as well so it’s unlikely that the night will be coming back

[teknopathetic he/him]

It makes me wonder if The Pure Lake is actually “The Gods of The Water” that the Horneaters reference once in their origin story. 
 

Might also explain why the vision fortress in the Purelake was there. 

[Wyndle88 he/him]

I was rereading WoK and came across a couple of lines I found interesting. I understand that the word 'night' does not stand out in Italics or capitalised to signify a noun, but still it jumped out after reading the WaT sample chapters.

 

It happens during Jasnah' demonstration of her powers to Shallan for the first time in Kharbranth. When both are walking along the dangerous alleyway where multiple murders had happened in a span of two months.

" They walked the Ralinsa—the main thoroughfare that led down the hillside in switchbacks, connecting Conclave and port. Despite the late hour, the roadway was crowded, and many of the men who walked here seemed to bear the night inside of them. They were gruff er, more shadowed of face. Shouts still rang through the city, but those carried the night in them too, measured by the roughness of their words and the sharpness of their tones."

 

What do you guys think? Is there a possibility that the og god spren of Roshar disappeared and now lives in the heart of men?

Nightwatcher was created to monitor this maybe. To look into the hearts of men and gauge the amount of 'night' is there in their hearts and grant boons and curse thus she can understand humans better.

Edited October 27, 2024 by Wyndle88

[Elder]

Syl may know something of the Night…

Spoiler

She bent down, looking at his hand from different angles, like a child expecting to find a hidden piece of candy. “What is it?” Her voice was like a whisper. “You can show me. I won’t tell anyone. Is it a treasure? Have you cut off a piece of the night’s cloak and tucked it away? Is it the heart of a beetle, so tiny yet powerful?”
Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings, pg 45

 

[Domo4448]

On 10/15/2024 at 11:51 AM, Stormtide_Leviathan said:

I'm guessing that the night was unmade into Re-Shephir, the midnight mother

This is my theory, they vaguely align with aethers makes me think first bond smith spren were analogous to Aethers. Re-shephir and midnight essence, the wind as the zephyr aether, night watcher and verdant aether. Some were unmade by odium into the unmade. I don’t rember why/where but I recall there being evidence that the sibling and storm father predate the night watcher, who I believe was an attempted recreation of one of the ancient bond smith spren by cultivation , probably based of the verdant aether