Dalinar is Unity?

[Fallen_Jedi09]

So my dad has been doing quite a lot of research and came up with these theories. I think that these are some of the most probable of the ones I have heard thus far:

- Odium killed Tanavast but did NOT splinter the shard Honor
- Dalinar constantly hears ‘Unite Them’ (clearly not the splinters to reform Honor)
- Dalinar: “I am Unity”
- Odium is afraid for only the second time
- Odium: “No, we killed you. WE KILLED YOU!” 

Predictions: 
- Here Odium is referring to Adonalsium, not Honor
- Unite Them refers to shards, not kingdoms or people 
- At some point Dalinar becomes a united shard (Unity), and the big conflict 
between Roshar and Scadrial is Unity vs Discord (who we’ll see Sazed/Harmony devolve into in Era 3)

 

What do y'all think?

[Master Silver]

It could be Unity vs Harmony or it could be War vs Discord, or War vs Harmony.

[Kelsiers cloak]

On 10/2/2024 at 9:42 AM, Fallen_Jedi09 said:

Odium killed Tanavast but did NOT splinter the shard Honor

So I could be wrong, but aren't spren splinters of Honor or something like that?

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

3 minutes ago, Kelsiers cloak said:

So I could be wrong, but aren't spren splinters of Honor or something like that?

Recent spoiler chapter indicates otherwise.

Spoiler if you haven't read it.

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Cultivation flat out tells Dalinar that the Spren already existed before Honor was Splintered, and that the 'Core' of Honor still exists in the Spiritual Realm for someone like Dalinar to Ascend with.

[Kelsiers cloak]

1 minute ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Recent spoiler chapter indicates otherwise.

Spoiler if you haven't read it.

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Cultivation flat out tells Dalinar that the Spren already existed before Honor was Splintered, and that the 'Core' of Honor still exists in the Spiritual Realm for someone like Dalinar to Ascend with.

Oh interesting. Well that definitely gives me something to think about 

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

5 minutes ago, Kelsiers cloak said:

Oh interesting. Well that definitely gives me something to think about 

I just had a crazy thought. What if Honor was Splintered not into many small pieces, but a few big pieces.

A WOB states that you could split up a Shard into two smaller shards and split their Intent, the example was even splitting up Honor into 'Bravery' and 'Integrity'. 

What if 'Unity' is just a really, really big piece of Honor that was one of several that was split off but is still big enough to achieve Ascension with.

Maybe if this is true, then Kaladin could find another one of these pieces and Ascend as well.

[Kelsiers cloak]

On 10/13/2024 at 11:07 PM, JustQuestin2004 said:

What if 'Unity' is just a really, really big piece of Honor that was one of several that was split off but is still big enough to achieve Ascension with.

Maybe if this is true, then Kaladin could find another one of these pieces and Ascend as well.

That is also an interesting thought. I really want Kaladin to ascend. 

[Smye]

On 10/13/2024 at 11:07 PM, JustQuestin2004 said:

I just had a crazy thought. What if Honor was Splintered not into many small pieces, but a few big pieces.

A WOB states that you could split up a Shard into two smaller shards and split their Intent, the example was even splitting up Honor into 'Bravery' and 'Integrity'. 

What if 'Unity' is just a really, really big piece of Honor that was one of several that was split off but is still big enough to achieve Ascension with.

Maybe if this is true, then Kaladin could find another one of these pieces and Ascend as well.

While it's a super interesting theory, I don't see it lasting long if it is the case... the whole sanctity of '16' within the Cosmere business. If that were to shift, fundamentally alter the world in a fundamental forces-altering event akin to the catacendre at Cosmere scale, I believe more set up would be needed first. 

[Kelsiers cloak]

On 10/13/2024 at 11:07 PM, JustQuestin2004 said:

What if 'Unity' is just a really, really big piece of Honor that was one of several that was split off but is still big enough to achieve Ascension with.

And I'm not sure Unity works if it's not really united, and splintered off, but idk. It's very interesting

[Slayd_07]

On 10/2/2024 at 9:42 AM, Fallen_Jedi09 said:

- Odium killed Tanavast but did NOT splinter the shard Honor

Well, this is confirmed with this week's chapters! 

I think the biggest problem with this theory is that I don't see a reason why Dalinar wouldn't take up Honor as a whole. He fits Honor's Intent well, and he's already Connected to Honor via the Stormfather bond. It's certainly possible that the Shard's Intent switches when Dalinar picks it up, but it just seems a little less likely than Dalinar picking up Honor normally. Otherwise, good thoughts!

[elihaun]

I had an idea: what if the 'unite them' is not in reference to the orders of radients, or honor, or even the nations.  What if it is in reference to something that only a bondsmith can unite: something that was broken: the unmade.  What if Dalinar is meant to unite the unmade, returning/transforming them.  the unmade can change spren, so why couldn't a bondsmith change them as well? at least SOME of the visions are focused on the unmade, but what if they all were?  The doubt that Noadon feels?  the midnight essence?  the battle rage that the men in the vision (the one gawks sees) experience?  what if the point is Honor is expecting a war with the unmade, and wants his new bondsmith to unite/fix the unmade? 

 

(and this second idea is even more stupid) could the unmade be related to the heralds?   There are 9 unmade, one for each Herald that broke their oath.  Maybe Dailnar is meant to reunite the Heralds with unmade? (like I said, this one is almost 100% not what is going to happen, but it is an idea)

[Fallen_Jedi09]

4 minutes ago, elihaun said:

I had an idea: what if the 'unite them' is not in reference to the orders of radients, or honor, or even the nations.  What if it is in reference to something that only a bondsmith can unite: something that was broken: the unmade.  What if Dalinar is meant to unite the unmade, returning/transforming them.  the unmade can change spren, so why couldn't a bondsmith change them as well? at least SOME of the visions are focused on the unmade, but what if they all were?  The doubt that Noadon feels?  the midnight essence?  the battle rage that the men in the vision (the one gawks sees) experience?  what if the point is Honor is expecting a war with the unmade, and wants his new bondsmith to unite/fix the unmade? 

 

(and this second idea is even more stupid) could the unmade be related to the heralds?   There are 9 unmade, one for each Herald that broke their oath.  Maybe Dailnar is meant to reunite the Heralds with unmade? (like I said, this one is almost 100% not what is going to happen, but it is an idea)

Now that is a really interesting idea

[The Stick]

2 hours ago, elihaun said:

I had an idea: what if the 'unite them' is not in reference to the orders of radients, or honor, or even the nations.  What if it is in reference to something that only a bondsmith can unite: something that was broken: the unmade.  What if Dalinar is meant to unite the unmade, returning/transforming them.  the unmade can change spren, so why couldn't a bondsmith change them as well? at least SOME of the visions are focused on the unmade, but what if they all were?  The doubt that Noadon feels?  the midnight essence?  the battle rage that the men in the vision (the one gawks sees) experience?  what if the point is Honor is expecting a war with the unmade, and wants his new bondsmith to unite/fix the unmade? 

 

(and this second idea is even more stupid) could the unmade be related to the heralds?   There are 9 unmade, one for each Herald that broke their oath.  Maybe Dailnar is meant to reunite the Heralds with unmade? (like I said, this one is almost 100% not what is going to happen, but it is an idea)

Here, my only problem is the only one of the 9 with no order counterpart is Bonding, although the Mishram stuff makes this potentially wrong. If anything, Ishar should be the one missing an Unmade.

[LewsTherinTelescope]

2 hours ago, The Stick said:

Here, my only problem is the only one of the 9 with no order counterpart is Bonding, although the Mishram stuff makes this potentially wrong. If anything, Ishar should be the one missing an Unmade.

Bondsmith is the one that's "left out" yeah, though it's fuzzy and not quite one-to-one.

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XS-Terrain

Also, does each of the Unmade have a corresponding order of the Knights Radiant?

Brandon Sanderson

Eh... Kind of.

XS-Terrain

Ok. So there are nine Unmade right, so which one is left out?

Brandon Sanderson

Bondsmith. But it's not as one to one, there's some fuzziness in there.

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