Bendalloy & Chromium Twinborn

[Sythrin]

I do not know what the combination is called. But if a twinborn with A-Bendally (Speed bubble creation) and F-Chromium (Store fortune) would be born, could they make speed-sniper posts?
Sanderson once said, one of the reasons why projectiles fly so strange out of speedbubbles, is so that people could not just create sniperposts to attack and flee. But we have `seen, that it is possible to shoot out of a bubble with a lot of luck and talent, as Wax demonstrated when he shot the koloss-blooded to save Marasi. If it was not some form of manipulation from Harmony.
So if somebody could draw on fortune (if it does manipulate your luck basicly), could they manage a consistent shot from a speedbubble?

[Trusk'our he/him]

40 minutes ago, Sythrin said:

I do not know what the combination is called. But if a twinborn with A-Bendally (Speed bubble creation) and F-Chromium (Store fortune) would be born, could they make speed-sniper posts?
Sanderson once said, one of the reasons why projectiles fly so strange out of speedbubbles, is so that people could not just create sniperposts to attack and flee. But we have `seen, that it is possible to shoot out of a bubble with a lot of luck and talent, as Wax demonstrated when he shot the koloss-blooded to save Marasi. If it was not some form of manipulation from Harmony.
So if somebody could draw on fortune (if it does manipulate your luck basicly), could they manage a consistent shot from a speedbubble?

Wax did shoot outside of a Speed Bubble, yes, but it still went wild.

How he shot Tarson was by then looking at the modified trajectory of the bullet and shooting another at it as Wayne dropped the Speed Bubble, ricocheting the original behind Marasi and into his target. 

So, maybe, with plenty of Fortune you could plausibly predict the randomness, but you'd probably need a lot. 

[Quantus he/him]

57 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Wax did shoot outside of a Speed Bubble, yes, but it still went wild.

How he shot Tarson was by then looking at the modified trajectory of the bullet and shooting another at it as Wayne dropped the Speed Bubble, ricocheting the original behind Marasi and into his target. 

So, maybe, with plenty of Fortune you could plausibly predict the randomness, but you'd probably need a lot. 

But to be fair, it should be right in the wheelhouse of good ol' fashion Atium.  Unless we learn that the randomness is directly related to one of the Perception-based effects that can confuse atium it should be able to predict the temporal randomness at the bubble edge.

[Steel Speedster ♂]

1 hour ago, Quantus said:

But to be fair, it should be right in the wheelhouse of good ol' fashion Atium.  Unless we learn that the randomness is directly related to one of the Perception-based effects that can confuse atium it should be able to predict the temporal randomness at the bubble edge.

I'm actually not sure that atium would work too well for this. Atium shadows don't take into consideration what you, the person burning it, will do, (which is usually a good thing, because otherwise it would automatically cause shadows to split.) For example, in a fight you don't see other people's atium shadows getting hit by your attacks. You see what they would do without your interference. So, I don't think you would see atium shadows for your bullets until after you fired them, at which point it's too late to change your aim. Electrum might make it possible, but you still don't see the bullets, so you would have to judge entirely by your shadow's reaction. I think F-chromium is the best potential for shooting out of a time bubble, although A-electrum/F-zinc might work well too.

[Quantus he/him]

18 minutes ago, Speeding Steelrunner said:

I'm actually not sure that atium would work too well for this. Atium shadows don't take into consideration what you, the person burning it, will do, (which is usually a good thing, because otherwise it would automatically cause shadows to split.) For example, in a fight you don't see other people's atium shadows getting hit by your attacks. You see what they would do without your interference. So, I don't think you would see atium shadows for your bullets until after you fired them, at which point it's too late to change your aim. Electrum might make it possible, but you still don't see the bullets, so you would have to judge entirely by your shadow's reaction. I think F-chromium is the best potential for shooting out of a time bubble, although A-electrum/F-zinc might work well too.

I dont think that's true, you see what simply Will Happen on the current timeline, Unless another form of Precognition gets involved to confuse and fracture the vision. It's not "without your intervention", it's "without conflicting precognition".  Atium also expands your mental capacity to process all that extra information.  So you see the path of the bullet and the target both and the increased mental capacity to get to choose to fire at the precise moment that coincides with the two meeting up (messily). 

[Steel Speedster ♂]

15 hours ago, Quantus said:

I dont think that's true, you see what simply Will Happen on the current timeline, Unless another form of Precognition gets involved to confuse and fracture the vision. It's not "without your intervention", it's "without conflicting precognition".  Atium also expands your mental capacity to process all that extra information.  So you see the path of the bullet and the target both and the increased mental capacity to get to choose to fire at the precise moment that coincides with the two meeting up (messily). 

I think this would be a similar principle to why electrum shadows split. There doesn't necessarily need to be conflicting forms of futuresight in order to get that feedback loop. Electrum shadows split automatically because you can see your own future and because you know what you would do (if you didn't have futuresight) you can choose to do something else, splitting the shadows.

Atium can't possibly show you what will happen for sure while taking your actions into account, because by seeing the effects of your actions you could change them. I see it as every object being locked into a specific path, but anyone with futuresight being able to act freely. In the case of atium, you see the paths that other objects are going to take, but you can change them. Looking at the gun firing example, if you saw a bullet being fired from your gun, there's nothing to stop you from not shooting, or changing your aim and shooting in a different direction. So, I can only think of two possibilities here: 1) you see split shadows because your futuresight interferes with itself similar to electrum or 2) you see what would happen without your intervention (i.e. nothing, because without you acting, the bullet isn't going to fire.)

I think the second option fits with what we've seen of atium shadows so far. If it took your actions into account, then someone burning atium would see every object that they could interact with moving around without any apparent cause. If you were a Coinshot or a Lurcher, you would see every piece of metal moving around.

There are a lot of weird mechanics of atium like this that haven't really been talked about in the books or WoBs, but I feel like this is a principle we can infer. Another one, for example, is that atium, as far as we know, doesn't show you your clothes floating unsupported in midair. Somehow, it knows to exclude objects that you are wearing or (presumably) carrying in addition to your actual body. If it didn't, then it would essentially have electrum's abilities built in as well.