Zahel and shardblades

[Sythrin]

Hi. I have a question to Vasher/Zahel. We know that Radiants and Fused can hear the scream of deadeyes when they hold their blade.
Does Vasher hear them too when he holds them? Or can he supress it similar to his color bubble?

[Treamayne]

11 minutes ago, Sythrin said:

Hi. I have a question to Vasher/Zahel. We know that Radiants and Fused can hear the scream of deadeyes when they hold their blade.
Does Vasher hear them too when he holds them? Or can he supress it similar to his color bubble?

There are no indications that Zahel would or should hear the deadeye scream, since hearing that is due to the Nahel Bond (which Zahel does not have). Zahel isn't supressing anything, it's just not something he naturally perceives (though I would guess it's possible he could if he tried).

WoB:

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Why does the Shardbearer-- when they are dueling with Adolin and Renarin-- Why does the Shardbearer freak out when Kaladin grabs the sword? The <Shardbearer> like... He screams, and he's like, "I didn't kill you", and ran away.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

Questioner

Why does he do that?

Brandon Sanderson

Because when Kaladin was there, and they were touching it, they actually heard the spren that was inside of it. Right? Because when an--

Questioner

So it wasn't Syl that he heard, it was the sword.

Brandon Sanderson

It was the sword's spren... that Kaladin was touching it. When the Knight Radiant touches it-- You can see when other Knights Radiant pick up swords, they can hear the screaming.

Salt Lake City signing (March 29, 2014)

Hope that helps

[Sythrin]

18 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

There are no indications that Zahel would or should hear the deadeye scream, since hearing that is due to the Nahel Bond (which Zahel does not have). Zahel isn't supressing anything, it's just not something he naturally perceives (though I would guess it's possible he could if he tried).

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Why does the Shardbearer-- when they are dueling with Adolin and Renarin-- Why does the Shardbearer freak out when Kaladin grabs the sword? The <Shardbearer> like... He screams, and he's like, "I didn't kill you", and ran away.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

Questioner

Why does he do that?

Brandon Sanderson

Because when Kaladin was there, and they were touching it, they actually heard the spren that was inside of it. Right? Because when an--

Questioner

So it wasn't Syl that he heard, it was the sword.

Brandon Sanderson

It was the sword's spren... that Kaladin was touching it. When the Knight Radiant touches it-- You can see when other Knights Radiant pick up swords, they can hear the screaming.

Salt Lake City signing (March 29, 2014)

Hope that helps

But than why do Fused hear it, like mentioned in RoW?

[Treamayne]

3 minutes ago, Sythrin said:

But than why do Fused hear it, like mentioned in RoW?

Unlike Heralds, that somehow create a physical shell when they return from Braize, Fused are (as the name implies) a form of Nahel Bond (being a Cognitive Spirit bonded to the physical body of a Singer). The Bond is the part that is important to sensing the Cognitive portion of a Deadeye.

[Sythrin]

On 9/18/2024 at 1:29 PM, Treamayne said:

The Bond is the part that is important to sensing the Cognitive portion of a Deadeye.

Does this include other bonds?

Like aether, aviar or maybe nightblood-bond?

[Treamayne]

1 hour ago, Sythrin said:

Does this include other bonds?

Like aether, aviar or maybe nightblood-bond?

I think it would depend on where and how the Bond is formed. Aether Bonds are Luhel bonds, so that is unlikely because they are a Physical Realm bond. Nightblood's bond is something we do not know enough about, but I have theorized that it is a Cognitive Realm Bond (on a mechanic similar to the Koloss Bonds from Mistborn Era 1).

I think it would have to be a bond in the Spiritweb (SR), and would likely also have to have a Connection to Roshar - so probably not Aviar bonds either (though we could get that answer if we ever see Mraize handle a deadeye shardblade, since he has an Aviar).

[alder24]

2 hours ago, Sythrin said:

Does this include other bonds?

Like aether, aviar or maybe nightblood-bond?

Considering that Singers in a Warform, who also have a Nahel Bond with lesser spren, don't feel anything when touching a Shardblade, it seems you need to have a specific type of a Nahel Bond to hear the blades scream - a much deeper one. All mentioned above won't be enough.