Allomancy on Roshar?

[The Unsoulcastable Stick He/Him]

Warning if you haven't read all of Stormlight Archive, and Mistborn Why, also you might not want to read this

 

In Stormlight Archive it says that Shallan can suppress her stormlight, and in mistborn smokers hide the pulses of investiture, and stormlight is just a different form of investiture, I would think that due to Shallan's childhood she definitely had enough trama to snap and be able to burn copper, although it doesn't say she senses a reserve I imagine that it just would be hidden by the stormlight, also could she be using stormlight to power her allomancy

 

Edit please tell me your thoughts on my theory

Edited August 15, 2024 by The Unsoulcastable Stick

[Trusk'our he/him]

50 minutes ago, The Unsoulcastable Stick said:

Warning if you haven't read all of Stormlight Archive, and Mistborn Why, also you might not want to read this

 

In Stormlight Archive it says that Shallan can suppress her stormlight, and in mistborn smokers hide the pulses of investiture, and stormlight is just a different form of investiture, I would think that due to Shallan's childhood she definitely had enough trama to snap and be able to burn copper, although it doesn't say she senses a reserve I imagine that it just would be hidden by the stormlight, also could she be using stormlight to power her allomancy

 

Edit please tell me your thoughts on my theory

Welcome to the Shard!

So, I will say that I think it's fairly unlikely that Shallan is a Smoker.

Allomancy is genetic (unless Hemalurgy or Lerasium is involved), and what's more, Shallan would need to consume copper in substantial amounts to use this ability with any frequency. You could get metallic residues in drinking water and food, but that's only a very tiny amount.

Using Stormlight to fuel Allomancy is technically possible, but it would require some refinement first. 

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https://wob.coppermind.net/events/390-stuttgart-signing/#e12692

Questioner (paraphrased)

Can a Mistborn use the Investiture from a Highstorm?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

It takes some effort to convert the Investiture. They can burn metals from other planets, though.

As for how Lightweaving is hidden for her, her illusions cover her Stormlight glow, feeding off it.

[The Unsoulcastable Stick He/Him]

33 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Allomancy is genetic (unless Hemalurgy or Lerasium is involved)

while I acknowledge that we know that the Ghostbloods are on Roshar and i was thinking that it is possible that one of the Ghostbloods from Scadrial fell in love with a Rosharan woman and had a child somewhere down the line it also says somewhere (i think) that she did it while she wasnt Lightweaving. also, the reason that I think she could use stormlight is because of her connection to the Roshar her spirit thinks that it is Rosharan, (because it is) and many of the investiture is dependent on connection which she is connected to Roshar, also she only uses it for a while, as far as i know she is the only one who can hide her stormlight while not Lightweaving. I would think that if she can burn copper she only subconsciously switches to stormlight when she starts lightweaving. although it is only a theory

[alder24]

1 hour ago, The Unsoulcastable Stick said:

Warning if you haven't read all of Stormlight Archive, and Mistborn Why, also you might not want to read this

 

In Stormlight Archive it says that Shallan can suppress her stormlight, and in mistborn smokers hide the pulses of investiture, and stormlight is just a different form of investiture, I would think that due to Shallan's childhood she definitely had enough trama to snap and be able to burn copper, although it doesn't say she senses a reserve I imagine that it just would be hidden by the stormlight, also could she be using stormlight to power her allomancy

 

Edit please tell me your thoughts on my theory

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As said before, Allomancy and Feruchemy are genetic, but also you have to have a Preservation's fragment in your soul, which is given only to Scadrians. Only on Scadrial people Snap and become Mistborn, because Metallic Arts are manifestations of Preservation and Ruin's power on the world they are invested in, among people who live there. People from other worlds can't Snap to become an Allomancer.

It's also very hard to fuel Metallic Arts with some other type of investiture. You would need to get through some additional steps to make Stormlight fuel Allomancy - probably unkeying it and purifying it like the Dor.

But there ARE Allomancers on Roshar, they were burning metals on Roshar, if you want to know who did this, see the spoiler box below:

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Hoid - WIt - he does it a lot. There were also some Terrisman in RoW in the very far background. 

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Has Hoid ever used Allomancy on Roshar or in The Stormlight Archive.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes. On screen he has. I've mentioned times when he's pulled on emotions, or pushed on emotions? I think he... I'd have to look at the scene and see which one he's doing. But he is playing with people's emotions using Allomancy in a very obvious way. There are other places. He doesn't do it a ton. Wit, as you can see in Rhythm of War, considers too extravagant use of the various arts to be cheating to an extent, because it makes things too easy. There are other reasons to not do it, though. He would become visible very quickly to entities to whom he wishes to remain non-visible if he were aggressively using Allomancy. Allomancy is not a very quiet skill.

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Chaos

Would the Three Metallic Arts operate in other worlds, or are they direct results of Ruin and Preservation and thus only operate in Scadrial?

Brandon Sanderson

To use Feruchemy or Allomancy in almost every case, one must have the right spiritual and genetic codes, imprinted upon people during the creation of Scadrial by Ati and Leras. To use Hemalurgy, one must first have someone with these right spiritual and genetic codes, then take the power from them. Other people on other worlds are not going to simply discover the Three Metallic Arts by accident.

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Questioner

So you said that different Investitures from different worlds can fuel different Investitures, right? Would that mean that you could potentially use Stormlight for Allomancy and/or Feruchemy?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, a little harder with the Metallic Arts than, for instance, [...]

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Questioner

Is Investiture universal? By that I mean, if an Allomancer got Stormlight somehow could they use that to fuel Allomancy?

Brandon Sanderson

That is always possible, so yes.  But in some case it requires some quote-unquote hacking, like an AC vs a DC current or we've got a 120 Volt and they've got 240. Does that make sense? It might require-- I guess hacking is the wrong term, adapters.

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Edit:

1 hour ago, The Unsoulcastable Stick said:

In Stormlight Archive it says that Shallan can suppress her stormlight

3 minutes ago, The Unsoulcastable Stick said:

she is the only one who can hide her stormlight while not Lightweaving.

@The Unsoulcastable Stick Truthfully I don't remember this. Could you provide a quote? In general, small amounts of Stormlight aren't visible and this was used by others - Kaladin did this a lot during WoK and WoR, he breathed in only a little of Stormlight to hide his abilities. 

Edited August 15, 2024 by alder24

[The Unsoulcastable Stick He/Him]

thanks for the help i haven't read all the WoB but they sound interesting, appreciate the respectful way you showed i was wrong im not all the way in the wrong in my opinion i think it is possible even likely that a ghostblood has fallen in love (or not) and had a child with someone from a different world i also realized that the timeline would be wrong also because im pretty sure that the ghostbloods have only been on Roshar for about 40-50 years. by the time of Rythm of War

9 minutes ago, alder24 said:

As said before, Allomancy and Feruchemy are genetic, but also you have to have a Preservation's fragment in your soul, which is given only to Scadrians. Only on Scadrial people Snap and become Mistborn, because Metallic Arts are manifestations of Preservation and Ruin's power on the world they are invested in, among people who live there.

i also wonder what would happen if a smoker were to be burning copper when someone using stormlight was nearby

@alder24 i believe it is sometime in WoR at some point when she was in the warcamps i cant provide a quote because i have no memory for quotes but she sucked in stormlight and thought something along the lines of its wonderful but heard someone coming and she did some mental shoving and stopped glowing. although now that i think about it she could have just mentally done a small lightweaving to help hide or it could be because she has so much more practice than the other lightweavers

[alder24]

15 minutes ago, The Unsoulcastable Stick said:

thanks for the help i haven't read all the WoB but they sound interesting, appreciate the respectful way you showed i was wrong im not all the way in the wrong in my opinion i think it is possible even likely that a ghostblood has fallen in love (or not) and had a child with someone from a different world i also realized that the timeline would be wrong also because im pretty sure that the ghostbloods have only been on Roshar for about 40-50 years. by the time of Rythm of War

Theoretically that's possible, but very, very unlikely. You can't just leave Ghostbloods, you know too much. Not all Ghostbloods are even from Scadrial - most we've seen aren't. And Allomantic genes would get diluted and be much weaker if they were combined with a non-Scadrian. So chances of someone with mixed heritage becoming a Metalborn would be much lower.

Still. Shallan would have to ingest copper and burn it - that would be felt by her. Vin described her abilities as "luck" before knowing who she was. Shallan would feel her metal reserves but nothing ever in books suggested she had it. She also had no source of copper to burn in the first place. Trace metals last just for a short moment ONLY if you can get them from somewhere like cutlery or contaminated water.

11 minutes ago, The Unsoulcastable Stick said:

i also wonder what would happen if a smoker were to be burning copper when someone using stormlight was nearby

That wouldn't hide Stormlight visually, it would just be undetectable for entities who can detect it - like Seekers on those Odium's seeker spren form OB.

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Questioner

And then is there a connection between Aviars, copperclouds, aluminum, and the yellow spren, life sense, seeking?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah, yeah all that, there are some relationships there.

Questioner

So they all pretty much would affect each other?

Brandon Sanderson

Ummm, yes, yes.

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13 minutes ago, The Unsoulcastable Stick said:

@alder24 i believe it is sometime in WoR at some point when she was in the warcamps i cant provide a quote because i have no memory for quotes but she sucked in stormlight and thought something along the lines of its wonderful but heard someone coming and she did some mental shoving and stopped glowing. although now that i think about it she could have just mentally done a small lightweaving to help hide or it could be because she has so much more practice than the other lightweavers

Don't remember this. She could just exhale it. Or maybe she was already hidden by an illusion.

[The Unsoulcastable Stick He/Him]

11 minutes ago, alder24 said:

You can't just leave Ghostbloods, you know too much. Not all Ghostbloods are even from Scadrial

i was thinking more along the lines of they were both part of the ghostbloods but the children werent, we know that the ghostbloods will let the children of ghostbloods go because they left shallans brothers alone until they need leverage for shallan,  also about shallan hiding it i could be thinking of a different thing and mixing things up a lot of stuff is to convoluted to keep in my brain not for the lack of trying