A-copper and a-bronze with Hemalurgy

[Sythrin]

As I understand correctly, if you make coppercloud, nether someone else nor you can sense another alomancer inside your own coppercloud.
(I am not entirely sure if you can sense someone outside it, as it could shield that as well)
But Inquisitors could in most cases pierce other copperclouds. Now can they pierce their own coppercloud as well? I would say yes as well, because it should function similar as the any other coppercloud, as in most cases their bronze should be stronger than their own copper.

Now, could 2 inquisitors that do not have an overlappig coppercloud, use their bronze to send secret messages? Could they burn/flare metals in maybe morse code, that the other Inquisotor could sense but not a normal seeker?

[Quantus he/him]

The Inquisitors could Pierce Copperckouds because (some of them) had double Bronze (often a base Mistborn with an additional spike).  Double power in Copper would make it harder to pierce as well, but it would take a different mix of Powers/Spikes.

[Sythrin]

4 minutes ago, Quantus said:

The Inquisitors could Pierce Copperckouds because (some of them) had double Bronze (often a base Mistborn with an additional spike).  Double power in Copper would make it harder to pierce as well, but it would take a different mix of Powers/Spikes.

Well most of them were Seeker. So they had double bronze but not double copper. So do you think they can pierce their own coppercloud if theoreticlly their bronze is stronger than their copper.

[alder24]

15 minutes ago, Sythrin said:

As I understand correctly, if you make coppercloud, nether someone else nor you can sense another alomancer inside your own coppercloud.
(I am not entirely sure if you can sense someone outside it, as it could shield that as well)

That's correct. You can't sense anyone inside of it, or if it's your Coppercloud, you can't sense anyone at all. TFE ch 7:

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“I started burning copper,” Kelsier said, “the companion to bronze. When you burn copper, it hides your use of powers from other Allomancers. You can try burning it now, if you want, though you won’t sense much.”
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“In fact,” Kelsier said, “many Mistborn keep their copper on all the time. It burns slowly, and it makes you invisible to other Allomancers. It hides you from bronze, and it also prevents others from manipulating your emotions.”
Vin perked up.
“I thought that might interest you,” Kelsier said. “Anyone burning copper is immune to emotional Allomancy. In addition, copper’s influence occurs in a bubble around you. This cloud—called a coppercloud—hides anyone inside of it from the senses of a Seeker, though it won’t make them immune to emotional Allomancy, like it will you.”

TFE ch 20:

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“There are great advantages to burning bronze, rather than just running around with your copper on. True, you Smoke yourself by using copper—but in a way you also blind yourself. Copper makes you immune to having your emotions Pushed or Pulled.”

 

22 minutes ago, Sythrin said:

But Inquisitors could in most cases pierce other copperclouds. Now can they pierce their own coppercloud as well? I would say yes as well, because it should function similar as the any other coppercloud, as in most cases their bronze should be stronger than their own copper.

Possibly for those who were just Seekers before transformation, but I expect in most cases they weren't burning copper when they were using bronze. But even when piercing a Coppercloud the Allomantic pulses detected are weakened, so it's better for Inquisitors not to do that (especially that they would have to pierce through 2 Copperclouds in some cases, their own and another Smoker, which would definitely prevent them from sensing anything). TFE ch 31:

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But suddenly, as she focused harder, something else drew her attention. A more familiar rhythm, coming from Kelsier. It was faint, difficult to feel over the pulsing of her own heartbeat. It was a bold beat, and quick.
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“I was right,” Vin said eagerly. “You can feel Allomantic pulses through copper! They’re quiet, but I guess you just have to focus hard enough to—”

 

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Questioner

There is quantitative difference in Allomancy (e.g. Elend is stronger than Vin), there is skill difference (e.g. Breeze is better than Vin with zinc), but is there a qualitative difference too?

Brandon Sanderson

That’s the scale of what we call savant. Wax can do more with less. It’s not just skill, the burning for long, using for so long, will actually adapt your soul to the power.

Questioner

So can bronze savants pierce copperclouds?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, a bronze savant should be able to pierce copperclouds. It depends on the strengths of the coppercloud and the strength of the savant, but yes.

Questioner

So Elend could theoretically learn to pierce copperclouds?

Brandon Sanderson

Weaker ones, yeah, totally. He can learn how to do it by brute force.

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28 minutes ago, Sythrin said:

Now, could 2 inquisitors that do not have an overlappig coppercloud, use their bronze to send secret messages? Could they burn/flare metals in maybe morse code, that the other Inquisotor could sense but not a normal seeker?

Possibly, but that would require them to focus to even detect those pulses so I don't think it's that useful. It's better to use A-tin and slightly hitting two coins together in a morse code to create sounds detectable only to others using A-tin. Or just jump around to contact other inquisitors directly - they didn't really care about being stealthy. Fear was a far more useful tool for them to use.