Question 3

[Kobold King he/him]

Reader got that a lot. Most of the time, he didn't care. He usually laughed it off. 

 

But this time, it hurt. It stung. It made Reader want to punch her in the face and cry into her shoulder at the same time. 

 

And, unfortunately, he knew it was true. He'd always known. But that didn't mean it didn't hurt to hear her say it out loud. 

 

Keeping that all inside, Reader nodded stiffly. "Well, good. I was hoping you'd say that. I was just, ah, seeing how you would react. I knew you'd say that, by the way."

 

ARGH STOP IT. I REFUSE TO FEEL SORRY FOR READER. CEASE THIS MADNESS.

 

[Mailliw73 he/him]

So Peter just responded to my tweet asking what the difference between High Epic and Prime Invincibility is. I used the quote Voidus provided and he answered, "Hmm. Good question." I stumped Peter!

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Reader got that a lot. Most of the time, he didn't care. He usually laughed it off.

But this time, it hurt. It stung. It made Reader want to punch her in the face and cry into her shoulder at the same time.

And, unfortunately, he knew it was true. He'd always known. But that didn't mean it didn't hurt to hear her say it out loud.

Keeping that all inside, Reader nodded stiffly. "Well, good. I was hoping you'd say that. I was just, ah, seeing how you would react. I knew you'd say that, by the way."

What's this? A post that actually makes me feel sorry for Reader?

WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT

[mail-mi he/him]

ARGH STOP IT. I REFUSE TO FEEL SORRY FOR READER. CEASE THIS MADNESS.

 

 

 

What's this? A post that actually makes me feel sorry for Reader?

WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT

 

My work here is done 

 

Tune in next time for a post that makes you hate Mommy

Edited October 23, 2014 by mail-mi

[mail-mi he/him]

I will work on it.  By Sunday, I'll have something somewhat worthwhile with Hawaii.

GASP I just figured out what to do with Timeport after the Corpsemaker war--he can go to Hawaii!

[Voidus]

MVs current power bio (With selected plot-sensitive pieces removed) This is my random musings on her powers over time, I don't know how easy it will be for anyone else to follow since I wasn't planning on posting this officially but Edge was wondering about her abilities so here goes.

Powers: Momentum shifting (Kinetic energy Epic)

Current users: MV- Tier 2 at present, potential up to Tier 4

Limitations:
Object based? –Based on what definition of an object? >Form an ‘envelope’ around a single solid form? (Doesn’t apply to all particles then> inverse of an envelope then? Bubble within an object that swells til it reaches the boundary (air)*Current Model*)? > Applies to every particle in object simultaneously (Raises heating issue, should transfer heat along with other momentum if applied to every particle (Kinetic theory of heat> strictly speaking would only apply to an ideal gas, would still be some heat transfer, easier to go all or nothing?) Only a little power tweaking required to move atomic vibrational energy, need to ignore physics to move no heat at all. (Vibrational energy of own body used as standard? *Current Model*)

Upper limit on momentum moved? – Already limited to the momentum produced from other sources, and needs to be touching one of the objects unlikely to acquire game-breaking sources of momentum outside of Impact (Impose limit on Impact instead?)

AoE ability? Theoretically possible if using envelope or bubble as the object boundary, needs to be cognitively set, would require practice. Tier 2-3 Trick? What is applicable to transfer to? AoE would have multiple vectors of momentum of different direction and scale, net result of all when applied to object? (SOLVED- Only able to be transferred to another AoE, with a 1-1 particle momentum transfer -What if second AoE is partially vacuum? –needs to be touching second or first AoE, unlikely to be a vacuum, if is, then momentum is compared by densities then assigned inverse of momentum per particle (1/2 density=each particle gets 2x momentum) –Possible Conservation of momentum issues?>Only a rough model, appropriate for the macroscopic effects, not necessarily accurate at atomic scale
For AoE effects, use the envelope boundary as the point of momentum transfer, not what’s inside of it, eg. Explosions- Would prevent the force from leaving the area enclosed by the AoE but inside would still occur, move this force to an exactly equal area of space elsewhere, would seem like invisible explosion. > How would heat transfer? –As normal at the envelope, not within it-Head would therefore spread to the inside in secondary location and so be less intense.

Tricks:
Tier 1-
Cushioning: Shift falling momentum into random passerby, allowing MV to crush someone else with the force of her fall while herself landing safely from any height.
Tier 2-
REDACTED
Walkie-Talkie: REDACTED
Neo: Shifts all momentum in a wall of air in front of her to elsewhere, unable to move the air would act as an impenetrable wall, freezing all bullets arriving from that direction, Upgrade- Shift the momentum to the area behind attackers, will be shot by bullets of air from behind.
Tier 3-
Perma-Shield: REDACTED
REDACTED:
REDACTED:

Tier 4- REDACTED ALL

Tier 5- 
Fission: Mastery over kinetic energy at such a fine level that it can be applied to individual Nuclei creating a fission reaction, potentially resulting in Nuclear fallout capable of leveling a city (Unless user has a PI, this would result in their own death unless also able to control KE of EM waves, which seems unlikely even at Tier 5 level mastery)

Potential OP issues:
REDACTED

Use Earths rotational momentum to impart city-leveling amounts of momentum to things. SOLVED (Use her own body as a reference frame, may need to change MoNA falling scene)

Using falling objects as a continual source of momentum (Hold Object stationary to provide continual downward force on another object) –SHELVED- (Not necessarily OP, would only become too powerful if great weights were already suspended in the air and then began to fall, perhaps use as Tier 3-4 Trick?

[Edgedancer he/him]

Is that canon? Because it is storming awesome.

Unrelated, but I realized something today. Reader is emotional; Autumn is rational. He snaps; she pauses. He seems to get a kick out of ordering executions; she does everything she can to prevent them. He has a hair-trigger temper; she tries to control hers. Her job is undoing the damage he causes.

Entirely without realizing it, I set up a perfect Foe Yay ship. O.o

More like another case of an Epic nemesis, Autum doesn´t deserve something this painful.

 

So Peter just responded to my tweet asking what the difference between High Epic and Prime Invincibility is. I used the quote Voidus provided and he answered, "Hmm. Good question." I stumped Peter!

I sincerly hope that was just another was to write RAFO, otherwise we probably have an inconsistency on our hands.

 

MVs current power bio (With selected plot-sensitive pieces removed) This is my random musings on her powers over time, I don't know how easy it will be for anyone else to follow since I wasn't planning on posting this officially but Edge was wondering about her abilities so here goes.

Powers: Momentum shifting (Kinetic energy Epic)

Current users: MV- Tier 2 at present, potential up to Tier 4

Limitations:

Object based? –Based on what definition of an object? >Form an ‘envelope’ around a single solid form? (Doesn’t apply to all particles then> inverse of an envelope then? Bubble within an object that swells til it reaches the boundary (air)*Current Model*)? > Applies to every particle in object simultaneously (Raises heating issue, should transfer heat along with other momentum if applied to every particle (Kinetic theory of heat> strictly speaking would only apply to an ideal gas, would still be some heat transfer, easier to go all or nothing?) Only a little power tweaking required to move atomic vibrational energy, need to ignore physics to move no heat at all. (Vibrational energy of own body used as standard? *Current Model*)

Upper limit on momentum moved? – Already limited to the momentum produced from other sources, and needs to be touching one of the objects unlikely to acquire game-breaking sources of momentum outside of Impact (Impose limit on Impact instead?)

AoE ability? Theoretically possible if using envelope or bubble as the object boundary, needs to be cognitively set, would require practice. Tier 2-3 Trick? What is applicable to transfer to? AoE would have multiple vectors of momentum of different direction and scale, net result of all when applied to object? (SOLVED- Only able to be transferred to another AoE, with a 1-1 particle momentum transfer -What if second AoE is partially vacuum? –needs to be touching second or first AoE, unlikely to be a vacuum, if is, then momentum is compared by densities then assigned inverse of momentum per particle (1/2 density=each particle gets 2x momentum) –Possible Conservation of momentum issues?>Only a rough model, appropriate for the macroscopic effects, not necessarily accurate at atomic scale

For AoE effects, use the envelope boundary as the point of momentum transfer, not what’s inside of it, eg. Explosions- Would prevent the force from leaving the area enclosed by the AoE but inside would still occur, move this force to an exactly equal area of space elsewhere, would seem like invisible explosion. > How would heat transfer? –As normal at the envelope, not within it-Head would therefore spread to the inside in secondary location and so be less intense.

Tricks:

Tier 1-

Cushioning: Shift falling momentum into random passerby, allowing MV to crush someone else with the force of her fall while herself landing safely from any height.

Tier 2-

REDACTED

Walkie-Talkie: REDACTED

Neo: Shifts all momentum in a wall of air in front of her to elsewhere, unable to move the air would act as an impenetrable wall, freezing all bullets arriving from that direction, Upgrade- Shift the momentum to the area behind attackers, will be shot by bullets of air from behind.

Tier 3-

Perma-Shield: REDACTED

REDACTED:

REDACTED:

Tier 4- REDACTED ALL

Tier 5- 

Fission: Mastery over kinetic energy at such a fine level that it can be applied to individual Nuclei creating a fission reaction, potentially resulting in Nuclear fallout capable of leveling a city (Unless user has a PI, this would result in their own death unless also able to control KE of EM waves, which seems unlikely even at Tier 5 level mastery)

Potential OP issues:

REDACTED

Use Earths rotational momentum to impart city-leveling amounts of momentum to things. SOLVED (Use her own body as a reference frame, may need to change MoNA falling scene)

Using falling objects as a continual source of momentum (Hold Object stationary to provide continual downward force on another object) –SHELVED- (Not necessarily OP, would only become too powerful if great weights were already suspended in the air and then began to fall, perhaps use as Tier 3-4 Trick?

Okay, I think I mostly understand this, although it is an upgrade from the initial pitch. What I would appreciate is an explanation of what exactly you mean with taking her body as a reference frame, if a AoE is transfered would the momentum continue to spread outside and there is the limit of one transfere at a time still there?

Edited October 23, 2014 by Edgedancer

[Voidus]

More like another case of an Epic nemesis, Autum doesn´t deserve something this painful.

 

I sincerly hope that was just another was to write RAFO, otherwise we probably have an inconsistency on our hands.

 

Okay, I think I mostly understand this, although it is an upgrade from the initial pitch. What I would appreciate is an explanation of what exactly you mean with taking her body as a reference frame, if a AoE is transfered would the momentum continue to spread outside and there is the limit of one transfere at a time still there?

Yeah all of my Epics have undergone a fair bit of adjustment, I think I accidentally removed a piece of the reference frame thing when I was cutting out all the plot-sensitive data. But essentially all momentum she shifts is measured as relative to her own, so if she was on a train she couldn't shift the momentum of say another person on the train to make them fly backwards, since relatively they don't have any momentum to her, even though they have momentum relative to an outside stationary observer who isn't on the train, if that makes sense.

The part that I removed for reasons that are no longer clear to me is that the one exception to that rule is her own momentum which she can shift relative to anything theoretically although at her current level of ability she can only really shift her momentum relative to the earth, so for example when she jumped out of the museum while touching Impact and Backtrack she had to first shift her own momentum so that she was stationary relative to the earth and then shift Impact and Backtrack.

Hope this all makes sense, I sometimes have trouble explaining my thinking but yeah I spend a lot of time thinking about stuff like this

EDIT: So for the AoE thing yeah the momentum would continue to spread as normal and she'd only be able to put up one at a time, particularly at her current Tier (I have a ranking scale of 1-5 where 1 is like Jingleberry uselessness and 5 is Steelheart or Nightwielder levels, capable of leveling entire cities single handedly, she's currently around a 2 by herself and a 3 with Impact) at her current level she'd really struggle with any AoE shifting, it'd take a while to set up and she'd be pretty distracted while maintaining it, she couldn't stop a surprise grenade thrown at her.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Voidus

[Edgedancer he/him]

Yeah all of my Epics have undergone a fair bit of adjustment, I think I accidentally removed a piece of the reference frame thing when I was cutting out all the plot-sensitive data. But essentially all momentum she shifts is measured as relative to her own, so if she was on a train she couldn't shift the momentum of say another person on the train to make them fly backwards, since relatively they don't have any momentum to her, even though they have momentum relative to an outside stationary observer who isn't on the train, if that makes sense.

The part that I removed for reasons that are no longer clear to me is that the one exception to that rule is her own momentum which she can shift relative to anything theoretically although at her current level of ability she can only really shift her momentum relative to the earth, so for example when she jumped out of the museum while touching Impact and Backtrack she had to first shift her own momentum so that she was stationary relative to the earth and then shift Impact and Backtrack.

Hope this all makes sense, I sometimes have trouble explaining my thinking but yeah I spend a lot of time thinking about stuff like this

I guess no one here has a problem with some alterations that don´t go against canon, the one case I can think of would be Lightwards limit, but doing it without asking first kind of strikes me as against fair play. (For example going by the same principle I could make Voidgaze completly broken by switching what she affects from white to what she percives as white and then she messes with her own eyesight or Altermind throws up an illusion and presto everything without a perfect PI is gone.) 

 

So if someone ran at her inside a train oposed to the direction the train is going then she could use the difference in "momentum" although in reality that someone has less momentum than her? In case she frezes a bullet in the air while on a train would the bullet move relative to the train or stay at its absolute position?

I´m not even going to touch how heat play into this, because my understandings of physics isn´t good enough for that.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Edgedancer

[Voidus]

I have tried not to OP anyone, it was mostly just clarification on how exactly her power works, I don't think I've actually added to anyone's power set, I couldn't portray the entire page I have atm in the one-sentence-description I usually give my Epics, the reference frame thing was always there though I didn't explicitly mention it. All momentum is relative to something so I had to pick a stable point and the two options I had were the earth or her body, I opted for the latter to impose some more restrictions.

[Edgedancer he/him]

I have tried not to OP anyone, it was mostly just clarification on how exactly her power works, I don't think I've actually added to anyone's power set, I couldn't portray the entire page I have atm in the one-sentence-description I usually give my Epics, the reference frame thing was always there though I didn't explicitly mention it. All momentum is relative to something so I had to pick a stable point and the two options I had were the earth or her body, I opted for the latter to impose some more restrictions.

I never meant to imply that you made her OP, the Voidgaze example might have been chosen poorly in that regard, neiher do I expect you to contain every small detail in your one scentence description, however MV did get a more detailed profile and it doesn´t mention a Area of effect, this might simply be a case of miscommunication but that´s how I read it.

 

On the side of not adding to anyone´s power set, you downright lied about Purple Phoenix not being an Epic, so you can´t really make that statement. Talking about him, I took another look at his profile and wondered, if he actually fell out of the museum and resurected, which means he got reduced into chunky salza, the computer in his spine is a goner, isn´t it? (While I´m rambling on you still have at the very least MV, Synthesia and Intervention in your list of unclaimed Epics)

 

Now, before I suck all the fun out of this, here´s something to think about. If Snakehands has snake for hands, what other kind of human animal hybrids do exsist?

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Now, before I suck all the fun out of this, here´s something to think about. If Snakehands has snake for hands, what other kind of human animal hybrids do exist?

 

I'm glad you asked. You see, Nathan and his fellow casino servers often had to make their own fun. But all that changed the night Lord Snakehands and his mortal enemy, Mongoose Feet, arrived at the same time. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

I'm glad you asked. You see, Nathan and his fellow casino servers often had to make their own fun. But all that changed the night Lord Snakehands and his mortal enemy, Mongoose Feet, arrived at the same time. 

Truly rivals destined by Calamity itself. I wonder how they got along with Monkey Pawn, Giraffe Neck, Dogtail, and the mighty (adorable) Cat Ear.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Edgedancer

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Truly rivals destined by Calamity itself. I wonder how they got along with Monkey Pawn, Giraffe Neck, Dogtail, and the might (adorable) Cat Ear.

 

Little known fact: Calamity just likes to see a good fight. Why else would it choose Marvel Man and the DCinator from the same city? 

[Edgedancer he/him]

Little known fact: Calamity just likes to see a good fight. Why else would it choose Marvel Man and the DCinator from the same city? 

Seems perfectly reasonable to me, some conflicts just have to be settled and this is one of them.

[Kobold King he/him]

Mailliw, is the high school Altermind turned into his HQ the same one he attended as a youth? If so, I'm thinking of having Backtrack assigned to visit it as an "emissary" if and when he returns from The Dalles.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

 

 

Now, before I suck all the fun out of this, here´s something to think about. If Snakehands has snake for hands, what other kind of human animal hybrids do exsist?

 

If Chimera was evil, just about any.

Mailliw, is the high school Altermind turned into his HQ the same one he attended as a youth? If so, I'm thinking of having Backtrack assigned to visit it as an "emissary" if and when he returns from The Dalles.

Why, yes, yes it is. Ooh, that would be interesting. He could definitely learn Altermind's weakness then.

[Kobold King he/him]

If Chimera was evil, just about any.

Why, yes, yes it is. Ooh, that would be interesting. He could definitely learn Altermind's weakness then.

 

Cool--I'll consider engineering this.

 

Though Backtrack isn't particularly good at figuring out other Epics' weaknesses. His power allowed him to witness Lightwards' weakness in effect once, but he came to entirely the wrong conclusion about what it is. If he managed to see any of the bullying scenes, the most damaging thing Altermind has to fear is being called "Birthmark Boy" again. Assuming Backtrack even works up the gall to say that to AM's face.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Mailliw, is the high school Altermind turned into his HQ the same one he attended as a youth? If so, I'm thinking of having Backtrack assigned to visit it as an "emissary" if and when he returns from The Dalles.

I wouldn't blame him for wanting to leave. Between Koschei flashbacks and Reader being all Readery, I'd book it for the nearest....um....city being fought over by three powerful High Epics right away.

Maybe he could hightail it for Canada?

[Kobold King he/him]

I wouldn't blame him for wanting to leave. Between Koschei flashbacks and Reader being all Readery, I'd book it for the nearest....um....city being fought over by three powerful High Epics right away.

Maybe he could hightail it for Canada?

 

With his luck, he'd stumble into whichever city Redleaf ruled.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

With his luck, he'd stumble into whichever city Redleaf ruled.

At least Redleaf would say "So sorry aboot this" before killing and/or enslaving him.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Cool--I'll consider engineering this.

 

Though Backtrack isn't particularly good at figuring out other Epics' weaknesses. His power allowed him to witness Lightwards' weakness in effect once, but he came to entirely the wrong conclusion about what it is. If he managed to see any of the bullying scenes, the most damaging thing Altermind has to fear is being called "Birthmark Boy" again. Assuming Backtrack even works up the gall to say that to AM's face.

Oh okay. Haha, the most damaging, yeah...

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I like the dot dot dot. Really makes it obvious you're uncomfortable.

 

So is the Time Skip completely in effect yet?

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

I like the dot dot dot. Really makes it obvious you're uncomfortable.

So is the Time Skip completely in effect yet?

Yes. If anyone has anything important that went on during the skip, sum it up in a post that brings everyone to right around 7, the time of the meeting.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I like the dot dot dot. Really makes it obvious you're uncomfortable.

 

So is the Time Skip completely in effect yet?

  

That was the point.

Yes. If anyone has anything important that went on during the skip, sum it up in a post that brings everyone to right around 7, the time of the meeting.

The only important thing is that Alice/Remington thing going on. So who should start the meeting? I can get a setup post done for Thoughttown's group. There's only four or five going to the meeting I think.

Edgedancer, how do we want to get Voidgaze back to Thoughttown? Wait till the meeting, when Altermind can tell her to go back?