RoyalBeeMage he/him Posted January 4, 2024 Posted January 4, 2024 i was reading the ars arcanum of wax and wayne and i saw that it mentioned that every god metal and its 16 alloys are allomantic. is there any WoBs to support this? or at least any clues about what any of them might be because i calculate that there is about 288 possible alomancic powers.
Treamayne Posted January 4, 2024 Posted January 4, 2024 2 hours ago, RoyalBeeMage said: i was reading the ars arcanum of wax and wayne and i saw that it mentioned that every god metal and its 16 alloys are allomantic. is there any WoBs to support this? or at least any clues about what any of them might be because i calculate that there is about 288 possible alomancic powers. Please see @danex's awesome thread: Ultimate Metal Count WoBs: Spoiler Quote SageOfTheWise In Allomancy, normal metals are simply a tool that channels Allomancer's already existing Connection to the power of Preservation, which is why non-Allomancers don't get powers from digesting metal. But if I understand it correctly, god metals are an exception, since they are a form of a Shard's power, burning them directly uses the power stored within. If I have this right, how come a normal person can burn lerasium, but not atium? Or could they, and no ones thought to try? But if that was true why are there atium Mistings? Brandon Sanderson Suffice it to say that what people both in the books and out think about the god metals has some holes in it. /r/books AMA 2015 (Aug. 13, 2015) Quote Questioner Will we see more of the god metal alloys in the future? Brandon Sanderson You will. Calamity Philadelphia signing (Feb. 20, 2016) Spoiler Questioner I was also wondering if... I just finished reading the Ars Arcanum in the back of Bands of Mourning and I heard it mention that god metals could be alloyed to give different abilities or traits. Brandon Sanderson Yes. Questioner Could you give an example of one? Brandon Sanderson So, you could alloy lerasium with certain metals of the sixteen in the table and get, if you had just enough lerasium, it would make them a misting of those powers. Calamity Philadelphia signing (Feb. 20, 2016) Spoiler yulerule *Written:* If an Allomancer Worldhopper really wanted to hack the magic system and knew what they were doing, could they get their hands on some tanavastium, rayseium, or egdlium? Basically make god metals from the other Shards? Brandon Sanderson *Reading question:* If an Allomancer worldhopper really wanted to hack the magic system.. *mumble* Uh, yes. This is possible. *Writes:* Yes. Footnote: Needs image attached to entry 4067. Click here. Arcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016) Quote Questioner Can an Allomancer burn any god metal? Or is it specifically Preservation and Ruin? Brandon Sanderson That is actually a RAFO. There's some funkyness going on there. Oathbringer London signing (Nov. 28, 2017) Quote Dave Smith Can a Mistborn burn any god metal such as tanavastium? Brandon Sanderson Yes they could. Footnote: Previously Brandon indicated they would need a tie to that type of Investiture. YouTube Spoiler Stream 2 (June 3, 2021) Spoiler mail-mi We know that any person can burn lerasium. Are there other God Metals that any person can burn? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Dragonsteel Mini-Con 2021 (Nov. 22, 2021) Quote Questioner What would happen if a person from Scadrial were to try to burn a manifested metal from Roshar? Brandon Sanderson So you're meaning they're in Shadesmar, they manifest it, and they try to burn it, right? Questioner Say a Spren of a Radiant manifests as a bead of metal instead of a Shardblade? Brandon Sanderson You're not going to be able to burn that if it's something that's coming from a spren, because that's not going to be treated as a metal in your body. Like, those are God Metals, and that one is actually alive and awake and it's just not gonna work. There are ways, though, that you could make that work. So it's totally possible, but you're gonna need something that's not an alive spren that's manifest like that. You're gonna need some way to get access to some tanavastium or something like that that's not, like, some living being. Dragonsteel 2023 (Nov. 21, 2023) 2
alder24 Posted January 4, 2024 Posted January 4, 2024 5 hours ago, RoyalBeeMage said: i was reading the ars arcanum of wax and wayne and i saw that it mentioned that every god metal and its 16 alloys are allomantic. is there any WoBs to support this? or at least any clues about what any of them might be because i calculate that there is about 288 possible alomancic powers. We've already seen two of those god metal alloys - Atium and Malatium in Era 1. Atium was an alloy of pure Atium and electrum, Malatium was an alloy of pure Atium and gold. WoB: Spoiler Xais56 Brandon has said that everyone ought to be able to burn Atium, like they can all burn Lerasium, and the fact that they can't was an oversight on his part that he would've done different in hindsight. Maybe now he's had an in-universe reason to re-write the laws of allomancy it's back to his intended concept; Mistborn burn all 16 base metals, mistings burn one base metal, non-allomancers can only burn godmetal. Peter Ahlstrom My explanation for this is that Preservation somehow caused all naturally occurring atium to form as an alloy of atium and electrum. The atium Mistings were actually electrum Mistings. Xais56 It's a very tidy solution, but it creates the maddening question of what does pure atium do? Peter Ahlstrom That answer has already been revealed canonically. RAFO. Footnote: It has since been clarified that the effect was revealed on the Table of Allomantic Metals poster and seen at the end of The Hero of Ages. General Reddit 2021 (Nov. 2, 2021) Spoiler Kingsdaughter613 Primary question: Peter recently said something about atium in Era 1 actually being an atium-electrum alloy, which is called nalatium. Is this accurate? Brandon Sanderson This is accurate, yes. You could, by the way, just continue to call it atium. That's what they think atium is in-world. It's very slightly tainted. Kingsdaughter613 Secondary questions: If the above is yes, did Kelsier get malatium by separating the atium and gold from the silver in nalatium? If so, do atium and gold have similar melting points? Brandon Sanderson That's more of a RAFO in that I'm not sure I want to canonize any of that right now. Footnote: Peter's comment did not give the alloy a name, Adam misread a sentence where the questioner mentioned their own nickname for it. YouTube Spoiler Stream 3 (Dec. 16, 2021) TLM spoiler WoBs: Spoiler LewsTherinTelescope At the end of The Lost Metal, we learn that Marsh will be using atium from the ettmetal experiments to stay alive going forward. However, Peter recently revealed (and you confirmed) that the atium in Era 1 which stored youth was actually a mix of atium and electrum. How will this continue to work to keep him young? Brandon Sanderson They're going to have a different term for pure atium and for what has been known as atium--what they're making. It is not hard to get the right mix down for what he needs to stay alive. It is hard to make enough of it to keep him alive. Well, not hard, but definitely not scalable to more than one person, how about that. They are able to do it, you've just got to make an alloy. I will apologize for this. This is a post-Era-1 retcon where I realized I need all the God Metals to do different things, and this is just one of the aspects that comes down. For those who don't know what's going on: I get done with Era 1, I start really working on the nature of metals in the cosmere. I'm like, "Ehhh... Atium really should be burnable by anybody. It's a God Metal. The way God Metals work is not in line with how I've made atium. So what they call atium has to have trace elements of something else, and then there's a pure form of atium out there that would be the true pure God Metal." That is one of those unfortunate retcons when you're doing all this continuity. And it works just fine in the books, because the way that atium is being made is a pretty complicated little process there in the Pits of Hathsin. The question is the right question. Sazed is going to get out of this pure atium, which he is going to need to tweak before he gives it to Marsh. Whether Marsh knows he is getting a tweaked version or not is subject to your own interpretation. For arcanist purposes, if you want to call the other one pure atium and the regular one just atium, I'd recommend something like that for your wikis and things like that. YouTube Spoiler Stream 5 (Dec. 2, 2022) 1
SheepAreFluffy Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 Speculative musing: I wonder if lerasium alloys would create exceptionally strong or gifted mistings of their specific power. So, for instance, let's say I have two pieces of lerasium of the same size, alloy one of them with copper and then give them to two different people. This would give us one mistborn and one smoker. But would the coppercloud created by the smoker be stronger than the one created by the mistborn (bigger radius, harder to pierce, etc.)? Inherently so, that is, rather than just a case of a specialist learning their skills better than a generalist. Would the raw potential of the lerasium being concentrated into a single allomantic ability make it supercharged?
alder24 Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 9 hours ago, SheepAreFluffy said: Speculative musing: I wonder if lerasium alloys would create exceptionally strong or gifted mistings of their specific power. So, for instance, let's say I have two pieces of lerasium of the same size, alloy one of them with copper and then give them to two different people. This would give us one mistborn and one smoker. But would the coppercloud created by the smoker be stronger than the one created by the mistborn (bigger radius, harder to pierce, etc.)? Inherently so, that is, rather than just a case of a specialist learning their skills better than a generalist. Would the raw potential of the lerasium being concentrated into a single allomantic ability make it supercharged? Yes, you need less Lerasium for an alloy to become a Misting of comparable strength. But it seems like there still is an upper limit on how strong your Allomancy can be and that's the power of the Lord Ruler, who instead of Lerasium used the power of the Well to make himself a Mistborn. So if you have a lot of Lerasium it's better to just use to become a Mistborn and not waste it for alloys. Spoiler Snarlezz What's the incentive of alloying lerasium and becoming a misting when you could just burn it normal and be a Mistborn? AltF4WillHelp My guess is that you'd presumably you'd use less of it? Also, arguably, not every way of using a magic is going to be the most optimal way. It's probably just a way that lerasium can work. If you alloy it or somehow mix it with things from other systems, it's quite possible you'd end up getting those magics instead, because it'd Connect you more strongly to a different Shard. Brandon Sanderson The replies to this are correct. Skyward Pre-Release AMA (Oct. 12, 2018) 2
Recommended Posts