RoyalBeeMage he/him Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 I was recently reading Tress when I came across Silver killing the spores. now I know that aluminium blocks investiture while it looks like silver disrupts that. is there anything I am missing about the 2 because silver has no alomantic ability but can be pushed or pulled? sorry if I've made a mistake about the title, formatting or anything else as this is my first post in this section of the forum and my first topic in the entirety of the forum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelsierFortnite he/him Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Firstly, Spoiler The spores are aether, not investiture. This may have something to do with it, but we also see shades on Threnody being repelled by silver, and I assume they are made with the investiture of Ambition. There's probably a relevant WOB, but I don't think we know much about silver yet. I believe Brandon has said that aethers will play a larger role later in the cosmere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brik_head Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 The coppermind has some interesting info on silver, but it does seem to be affected by allomantic push and pull. Coppermind/Silver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBeeMage he/him Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 That is what I was looking at when I mentioned it can be pushed and pulled. 57 minutes ago, KelsierFortnite said: Firstly, Hide contents The spores are aether, not investiture. I would still assume that the aethers are a whole magic system and are still affected by investiture to work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 12 hours ago, RoyalBeeMage said: I was recently reading Tress when I came across Silver killing the spores. now I know that aluminium blocks investiture while it looks like silver disrupts that. is there anything I am missing about the 2 because silver has no alomantic ability but can be pushed or pulled? sorry if I've made a mistake about the title, formatting or anything else as this is my first post in this section of the forum and my first topic in the entirety of the forum. Silver used to be an Allomantic metal, but Brandon swapped it for Tin when writing Mistborn. But both silver and aluminum have special properties in Cosmere, just like other metals. Iron pulls on Aethers not because of Allomancy, it's the opposite, A-iron pulls on metals because in Cosmere iron has special properties and Allomancy is reaching into that. Silver's ability is to disrupt investiture. We still don’t know exactly what silver does tbf. Here are some WoBs about this: Spoiler Brandon Sanderson Chapter Sixty - Part One Silver, the Useless Metal I've annotated about this before, but I figured I'd mention it again. As you probably know, in book one, tin was originally silver. I swapped it out for various reasons. However, that left silver having no Allomantic powers. That feels strange to a lot of people because of how common and useful it is in our modern culture. Such an obvious metal doing nothing seems wrong to readers. I toyed with using it in place of aluminum at the end of book one, but I realized that wouldn't work. It was too common, so if it had any Allomantic powers, people would know about them for certain. Only a metal that was very hard to find—like aluminum—would be believable as a new metal that most people hadn't heard of. So silver is Allomantically inert. Just one of the quirks of the magic system. The Hero of Ages Annotations (Feb. 11, 2010) Spoiler Questioner Quick question on aluminum. Why does it affect other forms of Investiture? Brandon Sanderson When I was building the cosmere, I just had to build certain themes into it, and metal was one of those. And the metals have kind of a Spiritual integrity, and Spiritual component, that if I can get into Dragonsteel explaining why, you'll get your kind of origins. Questioner And that's why, in Warbreaker, metals are different with Awakening, and stuff. Brandon Sanderson And even in Roshar, the cages that you're building for fabrials, once you start to figure out how those metals affect it, you'll be like, "Oh wait, that makes sense!" And these are just across the cosmere. And if you want an in-world answer, it has to do with stuff in Dragonsteel. But really, the answer is, I was building this and I'm like, "I just want this to be a theme. So I'm just going to give this Spiritual component to metals." So it works in Mistborn, and it works all across everything. LTUE 2020 (Feb. 15, 2020) Spoiler Argent It seems there is a special interaction between silver and investiture, in at least certain places in the Cosmere. We've seen how silver interacts with aethers, and we've seen over on Threnody. So that makes silver the second really really special metal to interact with investiture. Is the plan now to have aluminum block investiture, and silver destroy investiture? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, that's the way I'm going with it. To make a distinction between them, that's where we're going. Argent But silver is still non-allomantic. No silvereyes. Brandon Sanderson No, non-allomantic, yup. No silvereyes. This is my nod towards silvereye-ness, and yeah, there we go. Argent So would [silver] be effective against spren, just like [anti-Investiture]? Brandon Sanderson Well, you'll have to find out. RAFO! Footnote: Argent tried. He also horribly mangled his last question, but it got RAFO'd, so that doesn't matter... Shardcast Interview (July 30, 2023) Spoiler Questioner What's the deal with silver? Why does it not fit cleanly into the Allomantic metals, why is aluminum a special one and not silver. Why is it silver powder and not aluminum powder on Threnody? These kinds of questions. Brandon Sanderson Do you want the in-world answer... or the writerly answer? Questioner Well really I want the in-world answer. Brandon Sanderson ...The in-world answer is that people are not sure yet. Questioner Well, that's not the in-world answer. That's the in world answer from Khriss, right? What about the in-world answer from-- Brandon Sanderson That's the in-world answer--they're not sure yet... The writerly answer is that we started with silver in place of tin. And by the time I swapped it out, aluminum was already its thing. If I had to do it over again, I might make silver aluminum, but I wanted what aluminum does to be rare, and silver isn't. So I might not have. I love what aluminum does because it's super-rare pre-industrial, but you hit industrial and it's everywhere. So it allowed me to do, when we get to modern era, to have real checks on Allomancy as Allomancy gets more powerful. Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) Spoiler Questioner Does silver break Connection or bonds? If silver does have this effect, does it get used in the creation of unkeyed metalminds? Brandon Sanderson These are good questions. Silver, as I have it right now, is not capable of that. What silver's doing is is disrupting. It's more like interference. You know how, in White Sand, people can have these columns of sand. If you swiped silver through that, they would fall; but then they would be able to do it again. It's this little nullification for a short time. It's very dangerous to things like shades, and stuff like that. It's more disruptive. If you hit a spren with this, it would be like hitting them with a Shardblade. They're gonna come back together. They're not dead; they're gonna reform eventually, and probably won't take too long. So it's not severing Connection; you're gonna need anti-Investiture to do really destructive stuff. But you can disrupt with some silver. It's specifically bad for Shades for reasons maybe I'll get into someday. Dragonsteel 2023 (Nov. 21, 2023) Spoiler Argent Can silver help a spore eater with their condition? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, it can stab them through the heart with a silver knife so they die. Much better ending. There is potentially an application of silver that could maybe help them, it would not be my first go to. Silver can be pretty destructive. Shardcast Interview (July 30, 2023) 12 hours ago, KelsierFortnite said: Firstly, Hide contents The spores are aether, not investiture. Aethers are investiture. They are physical manifestations of investiture not associated with Shards. Spores grow into Aether essence by pulling investiture from SR. Tress ch 28: Quote “No, it means actually, that word means something very close to what you think it means, but it’s a more polite way of saying it. Anyway, the aethers up above are rampantly self-propagating, and each is connected to a primal element. Vegetation, atmosphere, silicate “This alone is dangerous, but your varieties are also highly unstable. The tiniest hint of a catalyst—water, in this case—and they pull Investiture directly from the Spiritual Realm to explosively germinate. It’s a remarkable process.” Spoiler ChromatiCaos You said that all Investiture got assigned to a Shard when Adonalsium got Shattered, which Investiture do the Dawnshards draw from? What about the aethers? Brandon Sanderson Dawnshards and aethers both predate the Shattering, and the rules don't apply to them. YouTube Spoiler Stream 5 (Dec. 2, 2022) Spoiler Overlord Jebus All the physical manifestations--solid physical manifestations we've seen of Investiture has been metallic. It's been atium, lerasium, Shardblades. Is that just a coincidence? Brandon Sanderson No, it's intentional. Overlord Jebus It's intentional so we're not going to see Investiture wood or Investiture plastic? Brandon Sanderson Right, I mean technically, like, what do you call the aethers? Those are not metal. But I do it as metal intentionally. Questioner They could be a metal with very low boiling point. Brandon Sanderson *sarcastically* Yes, the vine ones are-- Overlord Jebus Well we've had liquid, we've had gas, the solids all seem to be metallic, so. Brandon Sanderson That is intentional, it's just one of those little laws of the cosmere, that's not meant to mean anything Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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