Mauve Crocodile Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 2 hours ago, Coral Swan said: I'm traveling, so my lurking is kinda forced right now. Not my intention and I'll try and join the conversation later in the turn. I am also very busy and will be a little lurky for the time being.
Azure Mouse Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Heron and Albatross competing for who can post the most long winded NAI play-by-play recount of the thread Spoiler 11 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: I like Kangaroo. Spoiler Edited to add: 3 minutes ago, Mauve Crocodile said: I am also very busy and will be a little lurky for the time being. Spoiler Edited January 6, 2024 by Azure Mouse
Saffron Iguana Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 11 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: No you aren't. Yes I am !!!! Not my fault you can’t see it!
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sage Kangaroo said: Hyena, Chameleon and Zebra have the 'highest possibility of being evil'." What of my posts stands out to you as elim-like? Or is it just based off vibes? EDIT: Quote Vote Tally Charcoal Hyena (2): Amethyst Scorpion, Azure Mouse Amethyst Scorpion (1): Mint Heron Chartreuse Penguin (1): Quartz Zebra Mint Heron (1): Opal Lion Onyx Flamingo (1): Pearl Chameleon Salmon Meerkat (1): Oxblood Beagle Edited January 6, 2024 by Pearl Chameleon
Sage Kangaroo Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) Flash I am holding an etching pen and sitting in front on a mirror, with blooding oozing out of the line currently etched on my chest. Leo. Tyrian Falls. Spiked. I glance at the pages in front of me and start freaking out. I don't remember who I am supposed to condemn. I read the pages once more but there is no indication of one exact name I intended to etch. I look at the last three names - Pearl Chameleon, Quartz Zebra, Charcoal Hyena. I make a deduction. I take a leap of faith. The other two names began with curved letters. The etched part is a single line. I take a deep breathe and make the decision. When I'm done, the etching would read Pearl Chameleon. *** Bang. Bang. Bang. Someone's at the door. I've only been back since I took a walk across the town. The villagers were a witness to my public condemnation of Chameleon as these walks were usually shirtless. It's Chameleon who's at the door demanding an explanation. I do not need to look into my pages again. No flashes since my last read. 16 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: What of my posts stands out to you as elim-like? Or is it just based off vibes? 1 hour ago, Sage Kangaroo said: "Chameleon talks like someone who has more info about the distribution than a villager." "Perhaps I glossed over this when I stated it to the villagers. But you feel like someone who knows the Spiked distribution and are freaked out about it and as such feel the need to know village distribution as soon as possible." Edited January 6, 2024 by Sage Kangaroo Mistook the 'new page' for line break.
Saffron Iguana Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 25 minutes ago, Sage Kangaroo said: "Perhaps I glossed over this when I stated it to the villagers. But you feel like someone who knows the Spiked distribution and are freaked out about it and as such feel the need to know village distribution as soon as possible." Can you cite this? ie where you got this opinion- which posts of chameleon making you think that way?
Amber Vulture Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 8 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Amber Vulture why did you switch to OOC posts right after I pointed out RP-centric playstyles are hard to v-read generally? Was that a conscious decision [OOC: I mostly just felt like asking for clarification and explaining IRL circumstances were more suited to OOC, as is responding to this post. I will still post primarily in RP] Sasha de Vries woke up to a pounding headache and the sound of lively discussion. She sat up and brushed the roofing shingle grit of her face, then froze. Wait, why am I on the roof? She scanned her surroundings and saw several papers surrounding her, crammed with feverish notes. Presumably, there had once been a pencil, but it had rolled off the roof when she had fallen asleep. She must have stayed up late working through the events of the day. The roof had a lovely view of the mists, which had helped her concentrate, helped her think. "Tune has been murdered" declared an important-looking village official to a crowd gathered in front of the nearby town hall. "No!" cried Maihler, the other artist in Tyrian Falls. The crowd immediately erupted into a cacophany of theorising and finger-pointing. Not the most surprising turn of events, Sasha thought. But not the most expected one either. She would have to give that some more thought when she had more time. Gathering up her notes, Sasha leapt down from the roof and moved to join the discussion. Suddenly, Onidsen's dog, whom Sasha had not seen in some time, trotted up to the group, and deposited a paper before leaving. My Very Thorough Analysis (First Draft) by Dragon, the title read. Flipping through the pages, Sasha marveled at its detail. While the paper was not yet up-to-date, the sheer dedication to analysis it demonstrated considerably lifted her opinion of the quiet canine. Sasha sighed. Her notes were not nearly as detailed, but she would share them nontheless. "Leo (Sage Kangaroo) seemed a bit iffy at first but their opening statement prompted me to look closer at Ananame (Coral Swan), whom I had read as being an overwhelmed villager new to politics (SE). What I found was that not all of their statements were emotionally consistent with this view, and now, both their interests and their statements seem hazier to me, and I shall have to keep a closer watch on them. Also, it is worth noting that Ananame claimed to be a Smoker but still had their vote manipulated; either their Coppercloud was down, or they are lying. Interesting. "Sal (Salmon Meerkat) has said a lot but still refuses to provide any reads, despite much prodding. While I doubt one of the Spiked would want to bring such attention to themselves, possibly drawing a Seeker scan, they are making discussion much cloudier, which, agreeing with Leo, I dislike. "(Saffron Iguana) has been acting similarly to Sal, but their points have had notably more substance, which is positive. "While Dragon (Mint Heron), Leo, and (Oxblood Beagle) have all spent much time absent, their recent analysis lists have me leaning toward them favourably, especially Dragon. "Maihler (Azure Mouse) and Barney (Amethyst Scorpion) have both seemed pretty consistently innocent over time, due to them promoting discussion. "There are several individuals (Cream Tuatara, Indigo Weasel, Mauve Crocodile, and Melon Dingo) whom I would need to see more of before I can comment on them. "There are also several other individuals (Charcoal Hyena, Chartreuse Penguin, Fuchsia Ostrich, Magenta Albatross, Opal Lion, Pearl Chameleon, Plum Rhinoceros, Quartz Zebra, and Sapphire Elephant) who have contributed to the discussion, but for whom my opinion remains undeveloped. Trying to track 22 people is taxing, and I am by no means perfect. "Finally we come to M (Onyx Flamingo). No other citizen of this town is more adept at tying my brain into knots. I have gone back and forth ovet them, and here are the points I have gathered. "Point number one. I had great difficulty deciphering M's initial response to Ananame. While, ostensibly, their point about Smokers made them seem village-leaning, it was cloaked in enough layers, that it read, to me, like M was trying to say something about Ananame without actually saying it. Though this is by no means Spiked-indicative, I found the wishy-washyness of it off-putting. "Point number two. I know that M has created multiple semi-private groups where they tend to say a lot, but not actually contribute much analysis. I may be reading too much into minimal data-points, but this seems, to me, like M is trying to fish for information while playing it safe. Also in line with this point, M has not said very much publicly, but I have often caught them lurking at the fringes of this discussion. "Point number three. Close to the end of yesterday, M jumped on the train of (Chartreuse Penguin). While this is not particularly indicative of M's alignment, their very limited explanation reads to me as them trying to be more active without drawing too much attention to themself. "Ultimately, none of this truly makes me believe that M is Spiked. However, their wishy-washyness, quiet information-gathering, and trying to fly under the radar has given me very weird reads of them. Half of me thinks I am suffering from paranoia or tunneling, but, most of all, I want to see M say more, and have clear opinions and analysis when they do. Thus I will cast my vote on M for now, not because I think they are worth executing, but because I hope it will push them to be a bit clearer. Onyx Flamingo "Now, if anyone wishes for clarification on these points, please just ask me. That is all." Having said her piece, Sasha turned, and left. [OOC: I will be a bit busier today, especially in the evening, so if I pop on but don't say anything, or I take a while to respond to PMs, that is why]
Saffron Iguana Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 bideo bame Plum Rhinocerus @Plum Rhinoceros @Indigo Weasel @Sapphire Elephant @Salmon Meerkat lets play video game together. where are y'all's heads at?
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Sage Kangaroo said: Flash I am holding an etching pen and sitting in front on a mirror, with blooding oozing out of the line currently etched on my chest. Leo. Tyrian Falls. Spiked. I glance at the pages in front of me and start freaking out. I don't remember who I am supposed to condemn. I read the pages once more but there is no indication of one exact name I intended to etch. I look at the last three names - Pearl Chameleon, Quartz Zebra, Charcoal Hyena. I make a deduction. I take a leap of faith. The other two names began with curved letters. The etched part is a single line. I take a deep breathe and make the decision. When I'm done, the etching would read Pearl Chameleon. *** Bang. Bang. Bang. Someone's at the door. I've only been back since I took a walk across the town. The villagers were a witness to my public condemnation of Chameleon as these walks were usually shirtless. It's Chameleon who's at the door demanding an explanation. I do not need to look into my pages again. No flashes since my last read. "Perhaps I glossed over this when I stated it to the villagers. But you feel like someone who knows the Spiked distribution and are freaked out about it and as such feel the need to know village distribution as soon as possible." Good point, I suppose. Don't really want to do VCA with a locked thread. That sounds like pain. Readslist: (underline for slightly above, Italics for slightly lower) Village: Azure Mouse, Amethyst Scorpion Mild Village: Magenta Albatross, Kangaroo, Swan, Beagle, Ostrich Null plus: Amber Vulture, Chartreuse Penguin, saffron Iguana, Quartz Zebra, Heron Null: Rhino, Crocodile, Opal Lion, Weasel, Dingo Null minus: Elephant, Hyena, Tuatara, Onyx Flamingo, Salmon Meerkat Mild Elim: Reasoning: Spoiler Village: Azure mouse for high effort, especially towards gamesolving, despite only speaking in memes Amethyst Scorpion for gamesolving, and other cool things Mild Village: Albatross: Gamesolving, but do wish there could be more activity on their part. Kangaroo: This one is very similar to albatross, but I like that they didn't use RP as an excuse to not give reads or actual gamesolve- something that an Elim would've been able to get away with. Swan: Mechanically cleared, to a degree, but that possiblity of it being some strange Gambit could exist. Again, quick recap: E!swan wouldn't claim smoker in thread for sure without consulting their elim team first. Smokers are just too valuable to elims to throw away. Of course, we have no proof that they even are a smoker, and if could be a cover-up for an Elim power-role, but idk we'll see. Other than that, Swan has done basically nothing. Beagle: Asks questions, and has more of a presence in the thread. Again, possible for them to be elim, but I feel like their questions are more genuine, rather than just asking questions to look village. Ostrich: They have significantly more activity, and I recall liking their N1 posts. of course, D1 EoD sort of holds them lower, but their explanation for it is acceptable. Null plus: Vulture: Also like their posts, dislike some of their answers to questions Penguin: PM content is amiable, their reads are less so, N1 content was significantly better. Saffron Iguana: I will admit, I have sort of been holding a grudge against them, but I find their effort village indicative. I dislike them sheeping my vote on flamingo for scientific reasons, and in general, most of their voting patterns D1. Quartz Zebra: Like their content thus far, but need more to consolidate a read. Heron: recall liking their posts but they have a low amount of content and that's what annoys me Null: Rhino: insufficient content Crocodile: Insufficient content to formulate a read Weasel: insufficient content again Opal Lion: slightly villager, but only because of them asking to die. I feel like an Elim would never want to even attract the attention of a Coinshot, but other than that there really isn't anything ai from lion. Dingo: Cannot recall anything they posted, insufficient content. Null Minus: Elephant: Also sort of been holding a grudge against them, but mostly because they have a low amount of content and all of their content thus far has not been giving off good vibes EDITED TO ADD: Hyena: Really need more content from them. Out of the 3 EoD wagons, Hyena has spoken the least. I'd rather try to solve Hyena, but I would need more content from them. Tuatara: Made a PM with me, and likely many others, but has shown insufficient presence. Flamingo: Strangeness. Switching vote EoD for seemingly no reason, then village reading me off of it. I assume it was a reaction test, but just a general weirdness surrounds flamingo that makes me dubious of them. Salmon Meerkat: They've posted a lot with minimal ai content, and most of it was probably their CR. I do want to see more AI content from them, and feel like they are partially avoiding gamesolving, but not to a severe degree. Edited January 6, 2024 by Pearl Chameleon Finished reasoning
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 1 hour ago, Saffron Iguana said: bideo bame Plum Rhinocerus @Plum Rhinoceros @Indigo Weasel @Sapphire Elephant @Salmon Meerkat lets play video game together. where are y'all's heads at? somewhere else, obviously. 1 hour ago, Amber Vulture said: [OOC: I mostly just felt like asking for clarification and explaining IRL circumstances were more suited to OOC, as is responding to this post. I will still post primarily in RP] Sasha de Vries woke up to a pounding headache and the sound of lively discussion. She sat up and brushed the roofing shingle grit of her face, then froze. Wait, why am I on the roof? She scanned her surroundings and saw several papers surrounding her, crammed with feverish notes. Presumably, there had once been a pencil, but it had rolled off the roof when she had fallen asleep. She must have stayed up late working through the events of the day. The roof had a lovely view of the mists, which had helped her concentrate, helped her think. "Tune has been murdered" declared an important-looking village official to a crowd gathered in front of the nearby town hall. "No!" cried Maihler, the other artist in Tyrian Falls. The crowd immediately erupted into a cacophany of theorising and finger-pointing. Not the most surprising turn of events, Sasha thought. But not the most expected one either. She would have to give that some more thought when she had more time. Gathering up her notes, Sasha leapt down from the roof and moved to join the discussion. Suddenly, Onidsen's dog, whom Sasha had not seen in some time, trotted up to the group, and deposited a paper before leaving. My Very Thorough Analysis (First Draft) by Dragon, the title read. Flipping through the pages, Sasha marveled at its detail. While the paper was not yet up-to-date, the sheer dedication to analysis it demonstrated considerably lifted her opinion of the quiet canine. Sasha sighed. Her notes were not nearly as detailed, but she would share them nontheless. "Leo (Sage Kangaroo) seemed a bit iffy at first but their opening statement prompted me to look closer at Ananame (Coral Swan), whom I had read as being an overwhelmed villager new to politics (SE). What I found was that not all of their statements were emotionally consistent with this view, and now, both their interests and their statements seem hazier to me, and I shall have to keep a closer watch on them. Also, it is worth noting that Ananame claimed to be a Smoker but still had their vote manipulated; either their Coppercloud was down, or they are lying. Interesting. "Sal (Salmon Meerkat) has said a lot but still refuses to provide any reads, despite much prodding. While I doubt one of the Spiked would want to bring such attention to themselves, possibly drawing a Seeker scan, they are making discussion much cloudier, which, agreeing with Leo, I dislike. "(Saffron Iguana) has been acting similarly to Sal, but their points have had notably more substance, which is positive. "While Dragon (Mint Heron), Leo, and (Oxblood Beagle) have all spent much time absent, their recent analysis lists have me leaning toward them favourably, especially Dragon. "Maihler (Azure Mouse) and Barney (Amethyst Scorpion) have both seemed pretty consistently innocent over time, due to them promoting discussion. "There are several individuals (Cream Tuatara, Indigo Weasel, Mauve Crocodile, and Melon Dingo) whom I would need to see more of before I can comment on them. "There are also several other individuals (Charcoal Hyena, Chartreuse Penguin, Fuchsia Ostrich, Magenta Albatross, Opal Lion, Pearl Chameleon, Plum Rhinoceros, Quartz Zebra, and Sapphire Elephant) who have contributed to the discussion, but for whom my opinion remains undeveloped. Trying to track 22 people is taxing, and I am by no means perfect. "Finally we come to M (Onyx Flamingo). No other citizen of this town is more adept at tying my brain into knots. I have gone back and forth ovet them, and here are the points I have gathered. "Point number one. I had great difficulty deciphering M's initial response to Ananame. While, ostensibly, their point about Smokers made them seem village-leaning, it was cloaked in enough layers, that it read, to me, like M was trying to say something about Ananame without actually saying it. Though this is by no means Spiked-indicative, I found the wishy-washyness of it off-putting. "Point number two. I know that M has created multiple semi-private groups where they tend to say a lot, but not actually contribute much analysis. I may be reading too much into minimal data-points, but this seems, to me, like M is trying to fish for information while playing it safe. Also in line with this point, M has not said very much publicly, but I have often caught them lurking at the fringes of this discussion. "Point number three. Close to the end of yesterday, M jumped on the train of (Chartreuse Penguin). While this is not particularly indicative of M's alignment, their very limited explanation reads to me as them trying to be more active without drawing too much attention to themself. "Ultimately, none of this truly makes me believe that M is Spiked. However, their wishy-washyness, quiet information-gathering, and trying to fly under the radar has given me very weird reads of them. Half of me thinks I am suffering from paranoia or tunneling, but, most of all, I want to see M say more, and have clear opinions and analysis when they do. Thus I will cast my vote on M for now, not because I think they are worth executing, but because I hope it will push them to be a bit clearer. Onyx Flamingo "Now, if anyone wishes for clarification on these points, please just ask me. That is all." Having said her piece, Sasha turned, and left. [OOC: I will be a bit busier today, especially in the evening, so if I pop on but don't say anything, or I take a while to respond to PMs, that is why] what in the name of the Lord Ruler is that supposed to mean? what do you mean "i want more village-like actions from you"? what am i supposed to be doing with that? Im doing my best, alright? Amber Vulture i feel like something is up.
Coral Swan Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 3 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said: what in the name of the Lord Ruler is that supposed to mean? what do you mean "i want more village-like actions from you"? what am i supposed to be doing with that? Im doing my best, alright? Amber Vulture i feel like something is up. Something about this reaction makes me think you are village. Maybe because a Spiked wouldn’t react quite so strongly? I stopped my smoking during D1 since I thought it could help us understand the spread of roles, which I guess it kind of did. I’m nowhere near having a guess for absolutely every single player’s alignment, and honestly don’t know who I would vote for now. Maybe if I get time I’ll look at Flamingo’s posts since someone mentioned them in one of my PMs.
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 i feel strangely good about this on vulture. for some of the same reasons she had me. which i find rather funny, but thats just me.
Saffron Iguana Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 38 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said: somewhere else, obviously. what in the name of the Lord Ruler is that supposed to mean? what do you mean "i want more village-like actions from you"? what am i supposed to be doing with that? Im doing my best, alright? Amber Vulture i feel like something is up. Eh, I mean Vulture has a point that you've not provided much insight. Any reads to share? 10 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said: i feel strangely good about this on vulture. for some of the same reasons she had me. which i find rather funny, but thats just me. Er- see the difference I see immediately is that Vulture has been sharing reads and pushing thoughts. You don't appear to really be doing that. I don't disagree that you need more pressure regardless of your alignment, and I find this read on Vulture kind of uncharitable.
Amber Vulture Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said: what in the name of the Lord Ruler is that supposed to mean? what do you mean "i want more village-like actions from you"? what am i supposed to be doing with that? Im doing my best, alright? Amber Vulture i feel like something is up. [OOC: Sorry, let me try to clarify what I mean here. It isn't that your actions are not "village-like" enough for me (In fact, the more you speak, the more I believe that no Spiked would want to draw as much attention as you have), but more the feeling that the interactions you have had with several others are...how to phrase this...destracting? For example, in your argument with Iguana on day one, a lot of words were said, but not as much substantial reasoning was involved, from either of you, which meant that the conversation kind of just made things cloudier? I fully respect and believe that you are doing your best (As are all of us), and I think that maybe I'm just trying to offer some constructive criticism but not framing it very well/helpfully. I will have to think on that. Ultimately, I do not believe you to be a Spiked, and, while I would like to see some reads from you, whether or not you choose to share them in no way affects my current opinion on that matter. Does that make sense?] Edited January 6, 2024 by Amber Vulture Missed a word
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Amber Vulture said: [OOC: Sorry, let me try to clarify what I mean here. It isn't that your actions are not "village-like" enough for me (In fact, the more you speak, the more I believe that no Spiked would want to draw as much attention as you have), but more the feeling that the arguments you have had with several others are...how to phrase this...destracting? For example, in your argument with Iguana on day one, a lot of words were said, but not as much substantial reasoning was involved, from either of you, which meant that the conversation kind of just made things cloudier? I fully respect and believe that you are doing your best (As are all of us), and I think that maybe I'm just trying to offer some constructive criticism but not framing it very well/helpfully. I will have to think on that. Ultimately, I do not believe you to be a Spiked, and, while I would like to see some reads from you, whether or not you choose to share them in no way affects my current opinion on that matter. Does that make sense?] ah, yes. that makes sense, thank you. you have allayed my first suspicions. Vulture ok, lemme give a quick thing: Village: Iguana, mouse. vulture Null: most everyone else Spiked: rhino Vulture, i was just testing you a bit. im gonna say you passed. Edited January 6, 2024 by Salmon Meerkat adding.
Saffron Iguana Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 why not vote for rhino with me then? also why rhino sus? why iguana town?
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 Too busy with work to do more than a science vote: Hyena
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Salmon Meerkat said: somewhere else, obviously. what in the name of the Lord Ruler is that supposed to mean? what do you mean "i want more village-like actions from you"? what am i supposed to be doing with that? Im doing my best, alright? Amber Vulture i feel like something is up. We want more alignment indicative content from you, Meerkat. This was supposed to be posted 1-2 hours ago, just fwiw EDIT: will be trying to post less, since posting too much has appeared to have confused others. Edited January 6, 2024 by Pearl Chameleon
Sapphire Elephant Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 Welp. Got busy and forgot about this. I’ll do a full read of the thread & post some reads later, when I’m at a computer.
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 1 hour ago, Saffron Iguana said: why not vote for rhino with me then? also why rhino sus? why iguana town? honestly, good point. idk, its a gut thought. and why would you question your own standing?
Saffron Iguana Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 Just now, Salmon Meerkat said: honestly, good point. idk, its a gut thought. and why would you question your own standing? I want to know the reasons why you think I am town so I can see if it comes from a place of TMI or from genuine reasoning. Do you not trust your gut that much? Or? I mean I could ask you about the read on Mouse, but I don’t see a point when everybody and their mom TRs mouse, meanwhile I’m more contested. So… yar.
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 Just now, Saffron Iguana said: I want to know the reasons why you think I am town so I can see if it comes from a place of TMI or from genuine reasoning. Do you not trust your gut that much? Or? I mean I could ask you about the read on Mouse, but I don’t see a point when everybody and their mom TRs mouse, meanwhile I’m more contested. So… yar. well, youve consistently added to the conversation, made good points (so far at least) and with that response, it kinda confirms my thoughts on you being v. if you were elim, you likely wouldnt point out your standing in my list and ask about it.
Saffron Iguana Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 10 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said: well, youve consistently added to the conversation, made good points (so far at least) and with that response, it kinda confirms my thoughts on you being v. if you were elim, you likely wouldnt point out your standing in my list and ask about it. Oh I definitely would. Free villa cred bay beeeeee. But like what good points?
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 6, 2024 Posted January 6, 2024 1 minute ago, Saffron Iguana said: Oh I definitely would. Free villa cred bay beeeeee. But like what good points? youre making me rethink this a little bit lol. for your good points, i would say you helped me figure out kinda how the heck im supposed to do things, but i cant think of anything specific atm.
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