Quartz Zebra Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 9 hours ago, Opal Lion said: Why do you think that warrants a kill? and do you believe vulture was the dominant member of the team then? Do you still think you should kill Alb then? this seems like a defence of him, but you're voting him. People elims voted for tend to be read as village after their flip, so you might as well kill them! (Ignore the fact I shot Iguana, because I was profiling them as someone who would set up a convoluted super distancing scheme D1 when they had nothing better to do!) 8 hours ago, Amethyst Scorpion said: Their only follow-up is this (which was technically posted after the cycle closed, lol) and to me looks like they’re setting up a Cham vote over Vulture. At the very least it’s noncommittal and for someone who implies they want to vote they sure don’t seem in a hurry to do so. Sort of adds to my read that Alb is allergic to doing anything that would show they have TMI, eg voting Cham over Vulture or commenting on Ostrich’s fakeclaim, plus e!Alb knows Tuatara can riot in that situation as well as in the four way tie so it makes sense they’re not overly concerned. Edit: Actually reading that Alb post again I think they did let some TMI slip through when considering worlds. They never mentioned e!Thug!Cham but did mention e!Thug!Vulture. I agree that they froze at the end, which is a bad look! They weren't really paying to solve, they were probably playing to avoid a bad outcome for them! But since they were under pressure, it's possible they were just working to avoid their own death, then when that wagon dissolved, they didn't have enough time to solve! Under those circumstances, I'd bus Vulture hard, but we already flipped Ostrich so I guess the elim team wasn't doing that! You're really hunting for the most complicated situations, huh. If they answer is the elims lost a good chunk of their membership and are just lying low because of the overwhelming situation, I'll be disappointed! But at this point I'm resigned to checking those situations before we go back to the crazy theories! 11 minutes ago, Opal Lion said: Yes Hm? No, I said I could see reasoning for why it was fake. Which was strong enough to believe him when he retracted. Except tuatara was inactive Does Mistborn!Dragonfly use their vote manip on a random person D1! My gut says no, given the circumstances, but that could be me trying to conjure a e!Mistborn into existence to fit my distro assumptions! Assuming an evil Mistborn or Lion, I think the other member is a vanilla, so I'm focused on flipping the vanilla claimants for the next exe and CS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 47 minutes ago, Opal Lion said: Yes Hm? No, I said I could see reasoning for why it was fake. Which was strong enough to believe him when he retracted. Except tuatara was inactive Rhino could've done the vote manip himself: Spoiler 12 hours ago, Elandera said: Amber Vulture Sasha de Vries, Detective Spiked Thug Amethyst Scorpion Barney Detective Azure Mouse Maihler, Meme Artist Village Tineye Charcoal Hyena Hobbyist Village Smoker Chartreuse Penguin Murph, Carpenter/Armorer Village Smoker Coral Swan Ananame, Noble Thief Spiked Smoker Cream Tuatara Spiked Rioter Emerald Falcon Tune, Graffiti Artist Village Fuchsia Ostrich Endsayer, Endsayer Village Indigo Weasel Quagmire, 3 "Weasels" in a Trenchcoat Village Smoker Ivory Dragonfly Bartleby, Witch Doctor Village Mistborn Magenta Albatross Grandiose Verbosity Spiked Mistborn Mauve Crocodile Villager Melon Dingo Barrrrrrrg, Obligator Spiked Seeker Mint Heron Stray Dog Villager Onyx Flamingo M, Orator + Researcher Village Tineye Opal Lion Village Soother Oxblood Beagle Villager Pearl Chameleon Samwise, Obligator Village Thug Plum Rhinoceros Nalthian Village Soother Quartz Zebra Zee, Accidentally Spiked Village Coinshot Saffron Iguana Village Lurcher Sage Kangaroo Leo, Amnesiac Villager Salmon Meerkat Sal, Loyalist Villager Sapphire Elephant Forgetful Village Filled in with my credences We've let swan off too easily 2 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Nah, I’ll lose to Chameleon if she’s elim here and would sooner vote Lion if it comes down to it. Lion, did you buy Ostrich’s concession or not? You suggested yesterday that you knew he was faking it? I agree that e!soother could make sense, but remember, vote manip matters more in parity. I suspect the elims will decimate lion to get any vote manip out of the game, or try to pocket him 11 hours ago, Quartz Zebra said: It's possible that they saw through my declaration that keeping me alive is the best path to victory! It's the fastest route, but the trade off is that less of the kills are elim controlled! Just a btw it wouldn't have mattered if iguana protected you if you self targeted, since Lurchers can only block one kill. You, in other words, would've died regardless of it he had protected you or not. E!me would still keep the kill on you, but freeze in those very moments. 7 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: . From an e!Coinshot point of view, they would have expected a Lurcher within the remaining villagers anyway and Zebra declaring his intent to self-shoot forces iguana to actually lurch zebra over playing the ikyk game with the elims where he tries to lurch an alternative NK instead. Tbh e!chameleon probably lied about their role anyways but that'd be too hard to set up,. 34 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said: Under those circumstances, I'd bus Vulture hard, but we already flipped Ostrich so I guess the elim team wasn't doing that! I bus everyone and anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 52 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said: agree that they froze at the end, which is a bad look! They weren't really paying to solve, they were probably playing to avoid a bad outcome for them! But since they were under pressure, it's possible they were just working to avoid their own death, then when that wagon dissolved, they didn't have enough time to solve! Speaking of which, Alb was online at EoN Spoiler 1 minute after rollover: Opal Lion, Coral Swan, Magenta Albatross, Amethyst Scorpion, Fuchsia Ostrich, Quartz Zebra, Pearl Chameleon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Opal Lion said: Except tuatara was inactive Was Vulture not saved by Tuatara’s manip that very exe? I could be badly misremembering what happened but I thought that was right. 1 minute ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Speaking of which, Alb was online at EoN That fits imo. They froze at the end earlier, they froze at the end last night. I already said that e!me at EoD probably doesn’t change the kill if it’s already on Vulture so it’s not surprising to me that e!Alb wouldn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said: Was Vulture not saved by Tuatara’s manip that very exe? I could be badly misremembering what happened but I thought that was right. That fits imo. They froze at the end earlier, they froze at the end last night. I already said that e!me at EoD probably doesn’t change the kill if it’s already on Vulture so it’s not surprising to me that e!Alb wouldn’t. Well because zee dies anyways I wouldn't move the kill. ALSO ALBATROSS 6 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said: Was Vulture not saved by Tuatara’s manip that very exe? I could be badly misremembering what happened but I thought that was right. No. That would've required Tuatara to post, but they died of inactivity filter one turn later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: No. That would've required Tuatara to post, but they died of inactivity filter one turn later. You can submit actions without posting as far as I know. Or wait was the manip I’m thinking of just Lion lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, Opal Lion said: Hm? No, I said I could see reasoning for why it was fake. Which was strong enough to believe him when he retracted. Oh, makes sense. 3 hours ago, Quartz Zebra said: Under those circumstances, I'd bus Vulture hard, but we already flipped Ostrich so I guess the elim team wasn't doing that! Yeah since Vulture was functionally a vanilla elim at that point I would have expected bussing but people to tend to freeze in high intensity EoDs. As I see it, if Alb is an elim they are probably not a Mistborn/a strong role though, or else they would have definitely voted on either of the other two trains for self preservation in my opinion. And yeah you definitely are not required to post in the thread to be able to submit actions, but it doesn’t matter since Lion was the one who soothed a vote off Vulture anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 57 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: And yeah you definitely are not required to post in the thread to be able to submit actions You should be. That should be a thing. But anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal Lion Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, Amethyst Scorpion said: Was Vulture not saved by Tuatara’s manip that very exe? I could be badly misremembering what happened but I thought that was right I Literally did that If you're trying to clear yourself here then it's uh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Alb exe Zebra Spiked Kill, Croc CS kill Swan Exe Beagle spiked kill Kanga exe Scorp Spiked kill Lion exe Meerkat Spiked kill Cham vs Penguin ultimate showdown Game solved 17 hours ago, Opal Lion said: I don't know who i'd kill as an Elim, because swapping also can potentially narrow down the kills, and it already looked like Zebra was going to kill iguana and who knows if iguana is actually going to protect zebra or they're bluffing. I would be that kind of person who would kill Meerkat, and then work around iguana and try and manipulate zebra into shooting penguin or croc or someone like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chartreuse Penguin Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Lion exe Lion exe might be annoying but doable if there’s 3 other players. 1 hour ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Cham vs Penguin ultimate showdown Oh no @Salmon Meerkat, you around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Kangaroo Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Don't think I can argue for anyone other than Albatross at this point, but I will re-read tomorrow and check if there's anything that pops up. Just... too... sleepy... today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 30 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said: Lion exe might be annoying but doable if there’s 3 other players. Oh no @Salmon Meerkat, you around? Tbh you just have to smoke someone and it's a 1/3 chance of failing vm Speaking of which @all village smokers turn ye copper clouds on incase potential e!mistborn draws a emotional manipulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 I feel more strongly about Penguin being a Spiked than Alb, who, as I said before, just seemed wishy-washy. Is there something I missed? I will say that I'm more comfortable with Cham being village now. I guess I need to relook at Beagle since I was thinking at least one of the two was Spiked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Coral Swan said: I feel more strongly about Penguin being a Spiked than Alb, who, as I said before, just seemed wishy-washy. Is there something I missed? I will say that I'm more comfortable with Cham being village now. I guess I need to relook at Beagle since I was thinking at least one of the two was Spiked. Based on my player ID of Penguin, they are not in their e!meta. Also, in general, they're village. Beagle's response to Ostrich's gambit was villagery. Magenta has a history of avoiding showing TMI or any reaction to anything, despite being present at the time (Cham fakemistbornscan gambit, Ostrich fake e!mistborn gambit, Zebra Self targeting gambit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Beagle's response to Ostrich's gambit was villagery. Isn't this the kind of thing that would be easy to fake though? I guess I'll have to take your word about Penguin's ID, though I disagree that in general they're village. Guess that's another reread I need to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal Lion Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Coral Swan said: I guess I'll have to take your word about Penguin's ID, though I disagree that in general they're village. Guess that's another reread I need to do. Main point for why it probably isn't fake is because it was kinda a bizzare angle, offering a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 39 minutes ago, Opal Lion said: Main point for why it probably isn't fake is because it was kinda a bizzare angle, offering a draw. I can see that response coming from a Spiked perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 5 hours ago, Opal Lion said: I Literally did that If you're trying to clear yourself here then it's uh No no I’m just dumb 1 hour ago, Coral Swan said: I feel more strongly about Penguin being a Spiked than Alb, who, as I said before, just seemed wishy-washy. Is there something I missed? My entire case 1 hour ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Based on my player ID of Penguin, they are not in their e!meta. Also, in general, they're village. Lol 35 minutes ago, Coral Swan said: I can see that response coming from a Spiked perspective. I don’t really. Like say everyone agrees and a draw is made. Then what? I guess they could rationalize that Ostrich wouldn’t allow it as he’s village, but I definitely wouldn’t risk suggesting it as elim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said: I don’t really. Like say everyone agrees and a draw is made. Then what? I guess they could rationalize that Ostrich wouldn’t allow it as he’s village, but I definitely wouldn’t risk suggesting it as elim But the whole thing with the gambit is that the Spiked know too much. Unless you're suggesting that the GMs would actually end the game in a tie like that. Has that sort of thing happened before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chartreuse Penguin Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 There is more to my E!meta than being inactive smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz Zebra Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Oh nice, someone volunteered to be pencilled in as the evil teammate! Feels a little anti climactic. Would anyone object to my shooting Swan tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 10 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said: Would anyone object to my shooting Swan tonight! Swan would I’d throw Alb on that list but I think I’d be getting ahead of myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 So I'm Spiked because I'm trying to figure the game out rather that just sitting back and letting you have all the fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz Zebra Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Coral Swan said: So I'm Spiked because I'm trying to figure the game out rather that just sitting back and letting you have all the fun? It's more that if you remove the solid trusts and try to make a coherent team with the remaining players, the obvious follow up to e!Alb is the person trying to save them! Tell them that this round will be their Swan song. This round will be your Swan song! 36 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said: There is more to my E!meta than being inactive smh True, sometimes you RP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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