Fullborn Spike

[Trusk'our he/him]

Here's another possibility for making a single Hemalurgic spike grant you all the powers of a Fullborn:

First, you grant yourself F-aluminum, F-nicrosil, and one additional power of your choice all through Hemalurgy. You then Blank your Identity and use nicrosil to store the extra power in a large nicrosil spike that has a partial gold coating.

You repeat this process, replacing the third power-granting spike with all the other powers eventually, storing access to these powers in the spike.

Finally, you Hemalurgically Invest the gold portion of the spike with that of a Bloodmaker and implant it into yourself.

The spike can be tapped Feruchemically to access all the powers of a Fullborn, plus it can be embedded in your body to prevent others from being able to steal it from you (you also may be able to keep your Identity encrypted into the powers held within if you have enough skill with F-aluminum, but that's a hypothetical). Additionally, having some of your F-gold being accessed via Hemalurgy means that you should be able to heal spiritual injuries, such as those made by Hemalurgy. 

I know that this is mostly a technicality though, as you could make an Unsealed Metalmind granting access to all Metalborn powers without turning it into a Hemalurgic spike- that part is mostly just for extra safety. I still say this is a win though, as there are benefits to it being a spike 

[alder24]

26 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

First, you grant yourself F-aluminum, F-nicrosil, and one additional power of your choice all through Hemalurgy. You then Blank your Identity and use nicrosil to store the extra power in a large nicrosil spike that has a partial gold coating.

IF F-nicrosil works like medallion nicrosil, which is unlikely in my opinion. I think it works just like regular Feruchemy - 1h storing, 1h tapping. You can be a Fullborn only for how long you stored powers in F-nicrosil (less, Hemalurgic decay works).

29 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Finally, you Hemalurgically Invest the gold portion of the spike with that of a Bloodmaker and implant it into yourself.

I really don't get this part. Why is the gold coating needed, why do you do what you do with it? If it's fully around nicrosil, you can't touch it, you can't tap it.

[Trusk'our he/him]

30 minutes ago, alder24 said:

IF F-nicrosil works like medallion nicrosil, which is unlikely in my opinion. I think it works just like regular Feruchemy - 1h storing, 1h tapping. You can be a Fullborn only for how long you stored powers in F-nicrosil (less, Hemalurgic decay works).

My my, that's a rather large "if" you've attached 

I think it works along the same lines as you do. Just Compound the nicrosil stores to replenish your powers when they get low.

32 minutes ago, alder24 said:

I really don't get this part. Why is the gold coating needed, why do you do what you do with it? If it's fully around nicrosil, you can't touch it, you can't tap it.

I mean that most of the exposed part of the spike is gold, so that the Hemalurgy can rearrange things in the body as needed to keep you alive. Most of the spike's inside is nicrosil though, which Feruchemically holds the other powers you want to access.

A portion (perhaps just a sliver) of the nicrosil is exposed to the outside of the spike though, so that it can be tapped like any other Metalmind.

[alder24]

7 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

I think it works along the same lines as you do. Just Compound the nicrosil stores to replenish your powers when they get low.

So meeting a Leecher, Nicroburster or accidentally tapping everything at once would leave you totally powerless?

Not to mention that compounding takes time, a lot of time if we're talking about 32 powers, you're burning metals, just like in Allomancy. 

5 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

I mean that most of the exposed part of the spike is gold, so that the Hemalurgy can rearrange things in the body as needed to keep you alive. Most of the spike's inside is nicrosil though, which Feruchemically holds the other powers you want to access.

You really don't need that gold spike, just implant your metalminds in your leg, like Wax or something like that. 

[Trusk'our he/him]

14 minutes ago, alder24 said:

So meeting a Leecher, Nicroburster or accidentally tapping everything at once would leave you totally powerless?

Not to mention that compounding takes time, a lot of time if we're talking about 32 powers, you're burning metals, just like in Allomancy. 

Yup, those certainly are limitations that would come from using this method- it's "cheaper" than just using permanent spikes, but you can also afford to use a lot less spike in granting them.

15 minutes ago, alder24 said:

You really don't need that gold spike, just implant your metalminds in your leg, like Wax or something like that. 

That could also be a viable strategy. You wouldn't get the benefit of being able to carry as much nicrosil in your body and your F-gold probably can't heal spiritual injuries though, which is the downside.

[alder24]

6 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

F-gold probably can't heal spiritual injuries though, which is the downside.

Why not? It can, I don't think Brandon said that F-gold granted via Hemalurgy is too weak to heal them. But here you can tap 2x F-nicrosil granting you F-gold and be stronger than regular Feruchemist.

[Trusk'our he/him]

8 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Why not? It can, I don't think Brandon said that F-gold granted via Hemalurgy is too weak to heal them. But here you can tap 2x F-nicrosil granting you F-gold and be stronger than regular Feruchemist.

No no, I mean that F-gold provided via medallion alone is probably too weak (though a regular Nicrosilmind might do it, perhaps, now that I think of it. It depends on how much it actually attaches to your Spiritweb).

SA spoilers;

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Just as Honorblades cannot heal Shardblade wounds without using Regrowth specifically- it's not attached to your Spiritweb as deeply as a Radiant's powers are, which is why it doesn't work for healing that kind of thing. 

Hemalurgic F-gold should be just fine for healing spiritual injuries, hence the reason for a Hemalurgically charged gold coating for the spike.

[alder24]

10 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

No no, I mean that F-gold provided via medallion alone is probably too weak (though a regular Nicrosilmind might do it, perhaps, now that I think of it. It depends on how much it actually attaches to your Spiritweb).

Right, F-gold from medallions maybe not, but that's why the very first spikes should grant you F-gold and A-gold, so you could compound health and heal - not every spike goes in the same place, if you want to keep exchanging 32 spikes in total, you'll end like a swiss cheese. And dead halfway through of course. You need to heal those holes fast. That requires lots of health, that you need to first store, before you even attempt to remove first spikes. You don't need a gold coating or anything like that. 

15 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Hemalurgic F-gold should be just fine for healing spiritual injuries, hence the reason for a Hemalurgically charged gold coating for the spike.

I see no reason for it - it's another spike, another damage to your soul, and you've already had F-gold and A-gold stored in your Nicrosilmind. You simply don't need that.

Not to mention all of the torture that comes with spiking yourself 32 time. And 32 counts of 1st degree murder on top of that  Harmony would sit on your back this whole time. Sure, theoretically possible, but that's not really a practical way of becoming a Fullborn. Split some Harmonium and you're halfway there.

[Trusk'our he/him]

9 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Right, F-gold from medallions maybe not, but that's why the very first spikes should grant you F-gold and A-gold, so you could compound health and heal - not every spike goes in the same place, if you want to keep exchanging 32 spikes in total, you'll end like a swiss cheese. And dead halfway through of course. You need to heal those holes fast. That requires lots of health, that you need to first store, before you even attempt to remove first spikes. You don't need a gold coating or anything like that. 

Eh, you don't have to have them be big spikes- they could be small piercings, like jewelry.

10 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Not to mention all of the torture that comes with spiking yourself 32 time. And 32 counts of 1st degree murder on top of that  Harmony would sit on your back this whole time. Sure, theoretically possible, but that's not really a practical way of becoming a Fullborn. Split some Harmonium and you're halfway there.

Hey, I didn't say it was infallible, just that it would work. Plus, you know, Harmonium splitting still has some kinks in the system.

Also, if you use Hemalurgy to make your Fullborn Metalmind, you would probably draw from Ruin instead of Preservation, which may potentially help you with more Hemalurgic shenanigans in the future (Connection to Ruin helping gain Shardic insight).

[therunner he/him]

Large assumption of this is also whether or not Hemalurgically granted powers can even be stored in Nicrosilmind in the first place. The powers are held within the spike, not within the soul directly, so that is an issue. From what I am seeing, there are only RAFO's on what would happen.

Also Blanking your Identity won't necessarily blank the spike (I'd argue it won't affect the spike at all).

Edited November 5, 2023 by therunner