Argent he/him Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I must admit, I do go, "Aww, man!" When Asmodean was killed. I actually liked that guy! And was looking forward to awesome things from him and Rand working together. :/ But alas, The Wheel Weaves as the Wheel Wills. Ditto.
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted August 25, 2014 Author Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Definitely, I wasn't happy he died, but at the same time, I can understand from a writer's perspective. It seemed like Rand had already learned most of what he could from Asmodean, even in just the gap between the last two books. He was an excellent character, but I assume it will be more interesting to see Rand muddle through what he hasn't learned rather than having Asmodean info dump on screen, or Rand suddenly an adept channeler from off screen lessons. One thing I haven't stressed in my posts is just how much I love the Warders. It's not even something I can put my finger on or quantify, other than they are just plain cool. The bond, the cloaks, the mannerisms, all ridiculously cool. But there's one thing I don't understand that keeps bugging me. The Aes Sedai are supposed to feel every wound that their Warders take, so why didn't Siuan feel her warder get stabbed during the mutiny in the tower during Shadow Rising? Edited August 25, 2014 by Fifth of Daybreak 1
Argent he/him Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I thought she did. At least I have some vague memory of her talking or thinking about the events in later books, and emphasizing how unpleasant the event was.
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted August 25, 2014 Author Posted August 25, 2014 She had certainly sensed Leane being bound and never realized it; in the Tower, there was always the feel of women channeling Yet it was not the sight of Leane that made her miss her step, but the tall, slender, gray haired man stretched on the floor with a knife rising from his back. Alric had been her Warder for close to twenty years, never complaining when... The Shadow Rising Chapter 47 The Truth of a Viewing It will make it a little better if she talks about it later, but this just seemed like a plot hole to me. She should have felt him getting stabbed, and opened herself up to the source before they came in a shielded her. It seems unlikely to me they would stab him after getting to her, especially since it was a knife to the back.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 well, perrin comes back next book. i think you already saw him if you started it. then there is one book where mat do not appear at all (many people were disappointed, especially because the last we saw of mat was a big cliffhanger, and then nothig for one book). After that, all the three main characters appear in every book at least a few chapters. As for asmodean, I was initially very curious, but I then forgot about it a few books later. it's just not important to the story, since everyone had a good reason to do it. For obvious reasons this isn't true, but it always felt to me like Rand is missing from The Dragon Reborn. He's out of the scene a lot in addition to developing in just about every way. Then the big moment comes and it all felt like a movie. I hardly felt like I got Rand's POV for most of it, despite him having POV chapters.
Argent he/him Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 For obvious reasons this isn't true, but it always felt to me like Rand is missing from The Dragon Reborn. He's out of the scene a lot in addition to developing in just about every way. Then the big moment comes and it all felt like a movie. I hardly felt like I got Rand's POV for most of it, despite him having POV chapters. I believe that was intentional. Rand's arc in The Dragon Reborn was not really a journey arc - we knew he was going to accept his fate (I think - but come on, it was in the title!), and his journey to Tear wasn't all that eventful. What he did there was the interesting part.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 I believe that was intentional. Rand's arc in The Dragon Reborn was not really a journey arc - we knew he was going to accept his fate (I think - but come on, it was in the title!), and his journey to Tear wasn't all that eventful. What he did there was the interesting part. Yeah it wasn't a bad thing, but when my friend (who had read the series before me) told me that a couple of the main characters wouldn't even be in some of the books, I looked back on TDR and didn't think twice about referencing it in that discussion. It's not technically the same, but I consider them all to have dipped out for a book. And Perrin was my favorite character at the time, but I gotta say, I missed Mat the most. 1
AerionBFII he/him Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 Sigh...This is the book where Egwene begins her descent into annoyingness....
Voidus Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Sigh...This is the book where Egwene begins her descent into annoyingness.... TBH for me that was book 1, she was always annoying, she just got more entitled as the series went on. 1
AerionBFII he/him Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 I know she always seemed more interested in getting in Rands way than actually fighting the shadow.. She honestly seems to think she is more qualified, it baffles me..
king of nowhere Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 I found her less annoying after this book instead. She has always been an annoying arrogant twit. In this book she goes from being an immature annoying arrogant twit who doesn't know as much as she thinks to being a mature annoying arrogant twit who has a point. That makes her attitude more acceptable. I still dislike all arrogant people, but if you have to go around teling everyone what to do, at least have the decency of being right. If you have the "I'm surrounded by idiots" attitude, at least have the decency of actually being smarter than them. she's still guilty of being an annoying arrogant twit, but she has a mitigating circumstance now. 1
physicskid he/him Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I second your point about Egwene, king of nowhere. she actually becomes a lot more selfless as the series goes on. its not so much that she is less proud, more that her pride is forgivable since she has something to reasonably be proud of. she really is incredibly condescending toward mat though.
DSC01 he/him Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I realize this thread is a little old, but whatever. On the Asmodean thing, I only noticed on my third read-through, but there definitely is clear evidence of who his killer is. I can't remember which book it's in, but his killer mentions that Asmodean is dead, even though no one should know that. Rand and company think he ran away, and the Forsaken only know that he hasn't shown his face anywhere lately. There's some supporting evidence elsewhere, too. For example, an offhand remark explains why the killer would feel comfortable being on Rahvin's turf before anyone could know he was dead.
AerionBFII he/him Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 I realize this thread is a little old, but whatever. On the Asmodean thing, I only noticed on my third read-through, but there definitely is clear evidence of who his killer is. I can't remember which book it's in, but his killer mentions that Asmodean is dead, even though no one should know that. Rand and company think he ran away, and the Forsaken only know that he hasn't shown his face anywhere lately. There's some supporting evidence elsewhere, too. For example, an offhand remark explains why the killer would feel comfortable being on Rahvin's turf before anyone could know he was dead. Greandal killed him. .When she encounted Asmodean, she acted and killed him. She concealed this fact, in large part to let the others wonder. Also, she planned to arrange things the others would not like and blame them on Asmodean if she worked them right.
DSC01 he/him Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Yeah, I know. The evidence is someone mentions that she had an alliance with Rahvin. That makes her the only Forsaken who would dare just show up on his territory, before any of the others could have possibly had time to hear that he was dead. That's kinda flimsy, but when you combine that with what she says at a meeting with Sammael, it's pretty obvious. She lists all of the dead Forsaken and includes Asmodean. The only person who could possibly know that he is dead is the one who killed him. While I'll allow that the Forsaken are arrogant enough to make assumptions and treat them as facts, there really is no reason for her to make that assumption then.
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