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[kenod]

Now I'm wondering, would you be able to spike a shard holder? Recent research has uncovered the possibility of spiking spren, although not yet the method, so would a shard holder be in the realm of possibility?

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Time to start experimenting.

[Brightlord M. Alhstrom he/him]

13 minutes ago, kenod said:

Now I'm wondering, would you be able to spike a shard holder? Recent research has uncovered the possibility of spiking spren, although not yet the method, so would a shard holder be in the realm of possibility?

...

Time to start experimenting.

So, here are my thoughts on the matter: Theoretically, since Spren are Splinters, and Splinters are practically miniature (or in the case of spren, microscopic) Shards, you should be able to do it.

Here are the problems: 
A. Power-level: Good luck spiking a shard. Just saying, spren can't blast you out of existence. Shards can. You would need the help of another shard to contain the shard in the first place.
B. Storage of Power: So, this would depend on what you intend to spike from the Vessel. One of the only useful ones I can think of is their Shard-ness. It might be possible to steal that part of their spiritweb that has to do with their being merged with a Shard. However, there are problems with this part: A. This is a whole different beast from stealing a bond, which means that the mentioned WoB doesn't help much, B. good luck getting a spike big enough to hold that much investiture and C. what would happen to the Shard while you are still getting this massive spike to a new vessel? I suspect that either you'd need to somehow store it in the spike (which would mean that the spike would be so big as to require another shard to manipulate it, or that the Shard just wouldn't have a vessel, and thus risks Splintering itself or going rogue.
C. Part of the WoB on this subject talks about places where Spren are more tangible, and this would be where you would need to be to spike the spren. Is there such a place for a vessel? At least, a place where us mere mortal can reach the shard?

[MacThorstenson he/him]

In terms of what to spike from a shard holder, would it be possible for one to spike the investiture from the shard holder? From what I can tell, shards are basically large amounts of investiture with an intent. Would it be possible to spike away the investiture from the shard like one would spike away breaths? Also as a side note, if someone made a big enough nicrosil metalmind, could a shard store all of its power in it?

[Shadowmancer he/him]

I think, perhaps, that we'd have to find their main manifestation, as they seem to be spread out over a wide area. That is, they don't seem to have a physical body anymore, more like a physical presence that has been merged with the rest of creation. So the main manifestation of this could be their perpendicularities. If we can spike one of those with something the size of a railroad tie, or even larger, then theoretically we could steal recruit a large amount of their power for our exploitation experimentation.

WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERY MATERIALS FOR A NEW-ISH SANDERSON NOVEL THAT SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS

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But it is possible, I believe, to steal a divine attribute. I'll try to give no spoilers, and there is nothing confirmed thus far, but I think we might see a small-scale example of this in a relatively new Sanderson work.

 

[Brightlord M. Alhstrom he/him]

8 hours ago, Shadowmancer said:

I think, perhaps, that we'd have to find their main manifestation, as they seem to be spread out over a wide area. That is, they don't seem to have a physical body anymore, more like a physical presence that has been merged with the rest of creation. So the main manifestation of this could be their perpendicularities. If we can spike one of those with something the size of a railroad tie, or even larger, then theoretically we could steal recruit a large amount of their power for our exploitation experimentation.

WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERY MATERIALS FOR A NEW-ISH SANDERSON NOVEL THAT SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS

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But it is possible, I believe, to steal a divine attribute. I'll try to give no spoilers, and there is nothing confirmed thus far, but I think we might see a small-scale example of this in a relatively new Sanderson work.

 

Well, using HoA Spoilers, as well as Oathbringer Spoilers:

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From Vin's fight with Ati, I think there is a realm where they have a physical, or at least tangible, manifestation. And from the adventure through Shadesmar in Oathbringer, I suspect that this is the CR, since Spren there (who are basically miniature shards, or something similar) are tangible.

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[Kari he/him]

I have a question. 

Has anyone here ever spike a snake?

[Zennix he/him]

2 hours ago, Hunt2man said:

I have a question. 

Has anyone here ever spike a snake?

What attributes do expect to obtain from a snake? Poison? 

[Kari he/him]

Cold bloodedness? The ability to see heat?

[Zennix he/him]

I'm really sure that those are spikable attributes. On the other hand, the Dark Alley is all about finding new ways to use Hemalurgy. So, you can try it out. 

[Kari he/him]

I have a feeling that many attributes present in animals and other beings are spikable.

Make way for the snake people.

[Brightlord M. Alhstrom he/him]

2 hours ago, Hunt2man said:

I have a feeling that many attributes present in animals and other beings are spikable.

Make way for the snake people.

On that subject, here are some Mistborn Spoiler based ideas:

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Considering how much of an effect spikes can have on a human, as is seen in both Koloss and Inquisitors, I think it's safe to bet we can use spikes to give people venomous fangs.

 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2017 by Brightlord Maelstrom
I realized that I could make the same point using Mistborn stuff instead of Oathbringer stuff, so to avoid accidentally spoiling Oathbringer for someone, I switched my source.

[Kari he/him]

1 hour ago, Brightlord Maelstrom said:

On that subject, here are some Oathbringer Spoiler-based ideas:

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So, it looks like if someone swallows a gemstone, then Yelig-nar can inhabit them, twisting them into this weird, but extremely powerful, entity that can use all of the surges. Considering how bonding with the Parshendi works, plus this thing with Yelig-nar, it seems like you can change a lot of the physical aspects of who you are through a bond. I suspect that spikes would be able to do any and all of these things, so I wouldn't be surprised if you can use them to get people to grow venomous fangs.

 

 

Darn my library for not having Oathbringer yet

I'm hoping my library will get it soon.

I opened that spoiler for less than a second, and already regret it.

Edited November 21, 2017 by Hunt2man

[Fatebreaker he/him]

All this activity warms my heart.

Hello new and relatively new members. I would like to extend a warm welcome and congratulate you on making the intellegent choice in joining our guild. Our goal is to spread our delectable delights far and wide. We're definitely not doing our utmost to further the Science of Hemalurgy  on anyone and anything that could be conceivably Spiked. DEFINITELY not. 

Feel free to peruse the earlier pages of the thread to see some of the other hemalurgic baking experiments other Denizens have tried. Anything that lives can be spiked sold baked goods, and quite a few things that don't exactly qualify as "alive" too! Be bold in your experiments, relentless in your sales, and enthusiastic in our neverending pursuit of Science!

[Brightlord M. Alhstrom he/him]

29 minutes ago, Fatebreaker said:

All this activity warms my heart.

Hello new and relatively new members. I would like to extend a warm welcome and congratulate you on making the intellegent choice in joining our guild. Our goal is to spread our delectable delights far and wide. We're definitely not doing our utmost to further the Science of Hemalurgy  on anyone and anything that could be conceivably Spiked. DEFINITELY not. 

Feel free to peruse the earlier pages of the thread to see some of the other hemalurgic baking experiments other Denizens have tried. Anything that lives can be spiked sold baked goods, and quite a few things that don't exactly qualify as "alive" too! Be bold in your experiments, relentless in your sales, and enthusiastic in our neverending pursuit of Science!

I have recently spiked another friend of mine with a hunger for Brandon's writing. I should have her on the website before the end of the month.

[MacThorstenson he/him]

Do we know What the DA disclaimer is? Or was it lost in the accidental black hole creation a few weeks back?

Also @Fatebreaker what do we have to do to become official denzines of the dark alley? Is their an application, or can we start our research whenever we feel the need?

Edited November 29, 2017 by Ookla the Capricious

[Quickbronze he/him]

*Spys on the various Denizens of the Dark Alley*

[Brightlord M. Alhstrom he/him]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Noble said:

*Spys on the various Denizens of the Dark Alley*

*Prepares a Spike with the "Denizen of the Dark Alley" attribute stored up and sneaks up to his prey.*

[Quickbronze he/him]

Quote

Oh snap 

 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

17 hours ago, Ookla the Capricious said:

Do we know What the DA disclaimer is? Or was it lost in the accidental black hole creation a few weeks back?

Also @Fatebreaker what do we have to do to become official denzines of the dark alley? Is their an application, or can we start our research whenever we feel the need?

Spike another member and take their place ask Voidus to add you to the roster.

On 11/27/2017 at 4:21 PM, Fatebreaker said:

and quite a few things that don't exactly qualify as "alive" too

I really ought to publish some of my findings on how various types of Nalthian lifeless are altered by consuming baked goods.

It's particularly efficient if you create the spike from a living subject, and then place the spike in the resultant lifeless.

[Quickbronze he/him]

2 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said:

It's particularly efficient if you create the spike from a living subject, and then place the spike in the resultant lifeless.

So you pretty much just enslave an Invested person

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Noble said:

So you pretty much just enslave an Invested person

In exchange for a cookie, yes.

Or a pancake. I'm quite fond of hemalurgic pancakes.

[Voidus]

19 hours ago, Ookla the Capricious said:

Do we know What the DA disclaimer is? Or was it lost in the accidental black hole creation a few weeks back?

Also @Fatebreaker what do we have to do to become official denzines of the dark alley? Is their an application, or can we start our research whenever we feel the need?

Feel free to take up a spare office if you find one, don't mind the endless wails that sound like screams of pain from the depths of hell, I think FB or one of the research heads opened up a portal somewhere again, not sure which plane it's on but screaming voices mean screaming people who can be spiked customers for our cookies.
If you're after something more official with a name on the OP then yeah just let me know and if you'd like a particular title, otherwise feel free to start using the resources of the DA for your research.

 

And the last copy of the disclaimer I have on hand is:
 

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Disclaimer: Disclaimers follow. (Neither the seller not the manufacturer will be liable for any brain damage arising from the use of this product. Void where prohibited except where not prohibited. Above terms subject to change without notice. Action figures sold separately. Actual price set by retailers. All research statistics are blatantly flagrant. All rights reserved. All sales final. Any other application constitutes fraud. At participating locations only. Alternate toy available for children under 3. Because some jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation of liability for consequential or incidental damages, the above limitations may not apply to you. By continuing to use this system you indicate your awareness of and consent to these terms and conditions of use. Caveat emptor. Do not look at laser beam with remaining eye. Your results may vary. Disclaimer does not cover misuse, accident, lightning, flood, tornado, tsunami, volcanic eruption, earthquake, hurricanes and other Acts of a Shard, neglect, damage from improper or unauthorized repair, incorrect line voltage, broken antenna or marred cabinet, missing or altered serial numbers, electromagnetic radiation from nuclear blasts, sonic boom vibrations, customer adjustments that are not covered in this joke list, and incidents owing to airplane crash, ship sinking, motor vehicle accidents, dropping the item, falling rocks, leaky roof, broken glass, mud slides, forest fire, or projectile (which can include, but not be limited to, arrows, bullets, shot, BB's, shrapnel, lasers, napalm, torpedoes, or emissions of X-rays, Alpha, Beta and Gamma rays, knives, sticks and stones, et al.). User assumes full liabilities. Some humor and satire included. Price and participation may vary. Not to be used for the other use. Words crossed out are to be disregarded unless they resemble spikes piercing words, in which case you should probably see your local spike cookie vendor. May be addictive. Must be 18 months or older to order. Prices subject to change without notice. No refunds available. There is a slight chance (between 12-87%) of Ruinous corruption; this may or may not cause the following side effects (including, but not limited to): delusions of grandeur, hallucinations, compulsive and destructive behavior, pain, headaches, voices in your head, pneumonia, heart attack, stoke, severe internal bleeding, and death. These side effects are not permanent and are perfectly normal. Please see your cookie vendor to see if Hemalurgy is right for you. No kandra were harmed in the making of this product. Some disclaimers may not apply to all participating victims participants. All constitutional rights are waved by use of this product. Irreparable damage may occur. Vendor is not liable for damaged packaging, bodies, or souls. There is always another secret. Surgeon's Warning: Spiking causes severe Investiture warping. Fragile. This side up. If normality persists for a period of time exceeding 30 days, consult with a Dark Alley representative near you. This may be a sign of chronic dementia. This side down. The information contained in this disclaimer is intended by the Dark Alley for the use of consumers only and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or protected from disclosure by inapplicable laws. Contents of this disclaimer are under pressure. This disclaimer may be in part, whole, or wholesale plagiarized. Shake well before using. Batteries not included. Each set sold separately. Avoid prolonged exposure to this disclaimer. Do not read this disclaimer while driving a vehicle or operating heavy equipment. Any resemblance to persons, living or dead, is coincidental and intended by the author. Reading this disclaimer does not provide grounds for a legal dispute. Parental guidance suggested. Professional driver on a closed course. Do not attempt at home. See the owner's manual for more information.
This supersedes any previous disclaimer: The above disclaimers may be inacurate and cookies will be provided in case of Shardic intervention.)

 

[Zennix he/him]

Please, no backspiking of fellow Dark Alley agents. We aren't done with experimenting on, sorry, delivering baked goods to the rest of the Shard.

By the way, I have some Atium spikes for sale to DA agents who need tools for precision spiking. The were even forged in the fires of Mount Doom. I call them the One Spikes. Hurry up and bid on them. I have only a few left. 

Edited November 30, 2017 by Zennix

[Brightlord M. Alhstrom he/him]

12 minutes ago, Zennix said:

Please, no backspiking of fellow Dark Alley agents. We aren't done with experimenting on, sorry, delivering baked goods to the rest of the Shard.

By the way, I have some Atium spikes for sale to DA agents who need tools for precision spiking. The were even forged in the fires of Mount Doom. I call them the One Spikes. Hurry up and bid on them. I have only a few left. 

I can get you a dozen set of spikes for some Koloss if you want.

[Zennix he/him]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Altruist said:

I can get you a dozen set of spikes for some Koloss if you want.

I'm selling are One Spikes. Why would I want ordinary steel spikes?