Walter The Moral Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 So far, we have only ever seen External metals put in the Primer Cubes, but we don't know what happens for Internal Metals. I recall hearing that an putting Aluminum in a Primer Cube means that no Investiture can be used in the area, but how is that different to Chromiim. Would Tin cause everyone in the area to seem like they're burning tin. I could understand what Copper might do, but what would Bronze do? How about Gold? Does everyone see a gold shadow? What do you all think?
Underwater_Worldhopper he/him Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) Only Primer Cubes charged with Cadmium, Copper, and Bendalloy create bubbles. The rest will only work on the person who's holding them. Charge it with Aluminum and it'll wipe your reserves, not in an area around the Cube. Charge it with Chromium and you can wipe other people you touch's reserves. Zinc and you can Riot emotions, Brass and you can dampen them. Bronze and you can Seek, Gold and you'll see a Gold Shadow. There was a WoB that says this, but I can't find it Edit: Found it, and though it's a little more self-contradictory than I thought, it does say that only powers with bubbles will cause bubbles. Quote Rodrigo What would be the difference between an aluminum and a chromium grenade, and between nicrosil and duralumin grenades? Brandon Sanderson We're talking specifically about the Bands of Mourning ones? *Matt affirms* So, what would be the difference? Aluminum would create a sort of "You can't use Allomancy in this... nearby this" most likely, yeah. Duralumin would do the opposite. You would be able to use it and then enhance someone. I haven't played with the ranges on these things yet, and so that's where we get into kind of the question mark territory. Like, right now, I haven't really given them an area of effect unless the power itself has an area of effect. Does that make sense? But, my intent is to get to the point where it's doing things like this, right. Where you could theoretically be an Aluminum Gnat, you could charge this thing up and throw. And hey, you know, you have... the Metalborn nearby are unable to use their talents. That's convenient, right? Like, I want more of the powers to be relevant and these grenades are a way to do that. You know, Marasi's power is not the most useful on the planet to have herself. For those who don't know, she can slow down time... well, speed up time? Awkward how... the phrasing of how you do that. But basically she can make a bubble around herself where everyone outside of it moves super fast. That's not terribly useful, right? Unless you want to age, you know, really slowly. [...] Not really useful in combat, to be able to be like "Yeah, I'm gonna make all my enemies move really, really fast and I can't respond to them". But, she can charge up one of those grenades and toss it, it becomes real handy. For her, the grenades are more useful than the inverse, right, because speeding up someone is useful, but slowing someone down takes someone out of the battle essentially. Or a whole globe of them... globe is the wrong term, but yeah. The Dusty Wheel Show (June 17, 2021) So as it stands currently, they only affect the person who's holding the Cube, but they will eventually be developed into something that can cause Area of Effect effects for forms of Allomancy that don't usually do that. Edited June 29, 2023 by Underwater_Worldhopper
alder24 Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Underwater_Worldhopper said: Only Primer Cubes charged with Cadmium, Copper, and Bendalloy create bubbles. The rest will only work on the person who's holding them. Charge it with Aluminum and it'll wipe your reserves, not in an area around the Cube. Charge it with Chromium and you can wipe other people you touch's reserves. Zinc and you can Riot emotions, Brass and you can dampen them. Bronze and you can Seek, Gold and you'll see a Gold Shadow. Edit: Found it, and though it's a little more self-contradictory than I thought, it does say that only powers with bubbles will cause bubbles. So as it stands currently, they only affect the person who's holding the Cube, but they will eventually be developed into something that can cause Area of Effect effects for forms of Allomancy that don't usually do that. Nope, BoM has a Leecher throwing a charged Primar Cube near to Wax and that leeched out his metal reserves, chromium charged cube already has an area of effect, BoM ch 7: Quote Something bounced down the hallway and came to a rest on the floor beside Wax, just outside the doorway in which he crouched. A small metal cube. He jumped back, fearing an explosive, but nothing happened. What had that been? And then he realized with a deep, bone-chilling horror that he was no longer burning metal. There was nothing inside of him to burn. His steel reserves had—somehow—vanished.
Underwater_Worldhopper he/him Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 34 minutes ago, alder24 said: Nope, BoM has a Leecher throwing a charged Primar Cube near to Wax and that leeched out his metal reserves, chromium charged cube already has an area of effect, BoM ch 7: There is that, too. In that case, I think that if the power can viably be used as an area of effect, it will do so, but if it doesn't (like A-Tin, A-Gold, A-Electrum, A-Bronze, A-Pewter A-Duralumin (as the WoB says) and all of the Feruchemy powers) it will affect only the person touching the Primer Cube. You could theoretically find ways to create an area of effect for all of the powers, if you think hard enough, so everyone sees a Gold Shadow, everyone seems like they're burning Tin, etc.
therunner he/him Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 10 hours ago, alder24 said: Nope, BoM has a Leecher throwing a charged Primar Cube near to Wax and that leeched out his metal reserves, chromium charged cube already has an area of effect, BoM ch 7: While I don't think that is the case, perhaps Brandon has decided to retcon this and leatherbound edition will make minor adjustment to this scene? E.g. "A small metal cube. He picked it up and threw it back, fearing an explosive, but nothing happened. What had that been?"
Underwater_Worldhopper he/him Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, therunner said: While I don't think that is the case, perhaps Brandon has decided to retcon this and leatherbound edition will make minor adjustment to this scene? E.g. "A small metal cube. He picked it up and threw it back, fearing an explosive, but nothing happened. What had that been?" That's a possibility, but the books take precedent over the WoBs, so it could just be that Brandon considered it, decided he would allow for unconventional area of effect effects, then forgotten about it and thought he hadn't. When the books and WoBs conflict, generally the books take precedent. Edited June 30, 2023 by Underwater_Worldhopper
therunner he/him Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Underwater_Worldhopper said: That's a possibility, but the books take precedent over the WoBs, so it could just be that Brandon considered it, decided he would allow for unconventional area of effect effects, then forgotten about it and thought he hadn't. When the books and WoBs conflict, generally the books take precedent. Yeah, I think that is the most likely scenario, I was just playing devil's advocate.
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