Hullooooo Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 SO I got a theory on page 1173 of Rhythm Of War when talking about the powers of a bondsmith with Dalinar Odium says “The power will bind you eventually, as it has me.” All gods are bound only by promises and to the system of the planet\planets that they rule over, these are considered the two rules or laws of godhood. When he says Dalinar will be bound it refers to the powers of a bondsmith, which has the two surges closest to Honor. So because of this I am predicting that as Dalinar swears more Ideals he will eventually gain the powers of Honor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underwater_Worldhopper he/him Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Hullooooo said: SO I got a theory on page 1173 of Rhythm Of War when talking about the powers of a bondsmith with Dalinar Odium says “The power will bind you eventually, as it has me.” All gods are bound only by promises and to the system of the planet\planets that they rule over, these are considered the two rules or laws of godhood. When he says Dalinar will be bound it refers to the powers of a bondsmith, which has the two surges closest to Honor. So because of this I am predicting that as Dalinar swears more Ideals he will eventually gain the powers of Honor. Could be. If Dalinar really did Ascend during the Battle of Thaylen Field, then that means he's holding some part of the actual Shard of Honor, and holding a Shard twists its Vessel to fit the Intent over time. That could've been what he meant also 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 6 hours ago, Hullooooo said: All gods are bound only by promises and to the system of the planet\planets that they rule over, these are considered the two rules or laws of godhood. There are I(I think) three things that bind Shards. First and most important is Intent - they can't do anything that is against their intent. Second is oaths they make - breaking oaths will leave them wounded and exposed. And third is that they are bound to the planetary system they invested in - they can't leave it, it's very hard for them to reach outside that system. But Intent is the most important as it defines what Shard can or can't do. Over time a Vessel is changed and overcomed by that singular Intent in a way so he can't even try acting against it. 6 hours ago, Hullooooo said: SO I got a theory on page 1173 of Rhythm Of War when talking about the powers of a bondsmith with Dalinar Odium says “The power will bind you eventually, as it has me.” All gods are bound only by promises and to the system of the planet\planets that they rule over, these are considered the two rules or laws of godhood. When he says Dalinar will be bound it refers to the powers of a bondsmith, which has the two surges closest to Honor. So because of this I am predicting that as Dalinar swears more Ideals he will eventually gain the powers of Honor. Dalinar is bound to Stormfather, which is merged with Tanavest's Cognitive Shadow and holds the biggest piece of the Splintered Shard of Honor. Dalinar is bound to the biggest remains of Honor, which puts him in a very weird position. No other Bondsmith spren is like that. Because of that he can release Odium from Roshar like he was Honor, but Dalinar isn't Honor directly. That's the power Odium is likely talking about. Using Honor's power directly will bind Dalinar in the same way Rayse is bound by Odium's power. Just swearing more ideals won't turn Dalinar into Honor. He will get closer to Stormfather, which might enable him to use more of Honor's power. Dalinar was already shown to act like Honor when he accepted Kaladin's 4th Ideal. So there is definitely something going on here. But I'm almost sure more is needed for Dalinar to Ascend to Honor than just swearing Ideals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted June 22, 2023 Report Share Posted June 22, 2023 I don't think Odium is predicting Dalinar will become Honor fully (though that is possible), I think he's saying that Dalinar already has enough Honor-power that the Intent will eventually affect him. It doesn't take a full Shard to get Intent effects. Zahel/Vasher says that it happens to Cognitive Shadows like himself, and Returned aren't working with that much Investiture -- nothing like the scale of Bondsmith Spren. Dalinar isn't personally Invested to the level the Stormfather is - not even close - but if he keeps having Ascension/riding the highstorm moments, or maybe even just keeps opening that perpendicularity all the time for years... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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