Trusk'our he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 We've seen in TLM that Unkeyed Dor can be used to fuel any magic system. But what about Awakening? Would you need to be at least of the 1st Heighteing to make it work, or would any Nalthian (they have the proper Connection) be able to use Unkeyed Dor to fuel their Awakening? Also, do you think that since the Dor is less "sticky" that whatever was Awakened would eventually cease to function? Although, ToES spoilers... Spoiler Perhaps this is how the Sorceress managed to get so many Awakened soldiers; she used the Dor to fuel the magic, meaning she didn't need to get tens of thousands of Breaths to do it. Not to mention the multiple Awakened tablets and the Sorceress's tower. Perhaps this will allow for Awakening to become cheaper in the Cosmere's future.
alder24 Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 50 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: We've seen in TLM that Unkeyed Dor can be used to fuel any magic system. But what about Awakening? Would you need to be at least of the 1st Heighteing to make it work, or would any Nalthian (they have the proper Connection) be able to use Unkeyed Dor to fuel their Awakening? Also, do you think that since the Dor is less "sticky" that whatever was Awakened would eventually cease to function? That's a good question. Can you fill yourself with the Dor like Stormlight? If yes, then if you have at least one Breath, you should be able to use the Dor to Awaken. You might be even able to Command in such a way, that your Breath stays always with you, and only Dor is used to Awaken, like Vasher does with his Returned Breath. 50 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: Although, ToES spoilers... TotES spoilers: Spoiler Those were laptops. I mean magical tablets. Yes, magical tablets for sure not laptops. 1
Trusk'our he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Author Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, alder24 said: That's a good question. Can you fill yourself with the Dor like Stormlight? If yes, then if you have at least one Breath, you should be able to use the Dor to Awaken. You might be even able to Command in such a way, that your Breath stays always with you, and only Dor is used to Awaken, like Vasher does with his Returned Breath. Yeah, that might work. Now I'm curious how much Investiture was in the jars compared to Nightblood, cause a random Nalthian with a jar of Purified Dor might be able to replicate the killing machine. Scary. Edited April 27, 2023 by Trusk'our
Quantus he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, alder24 said: That's a good question. Can you fill yourself with the Dor like Stormlight? If yes, then if you have at least one Breath, you should be able to use the Dor to Awaken. You might be even able to Command in such a way, that your Breath stays always with you, and only Dor is used to Awaken, like Vasher does with his Returned Breath. TotES spoilers: Reveal hidden contents Those were laptops. I mean magical tablets. Yes, magical tablets for sure not laptops. Agreed, and I think having that initial Seed Breath would be critical to making it happen (assuming you can invest yourself with purified Dor, as you say). 1 hour ago, Trusk'our said: Also, do you think that since the Dor is less "sticky" that whatever was Awakened would eventually cease to function? For what it's worth, even normal Breaths run down eventually if they are powering something (Conservation and all), so anything less sticky likely would also. Quote Weltall (paraphrased) I asked if someone who had a lot of Breath would have it weaken collectively, in the same way that the single Breaths of children are more vibrant than others and move one slightly closer to a Heightening, then weaken as they grow older (and contribute slightly less towards a Heightening). Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) He said that it wouldn't be noticeable once you accumulate enough Breath and, for example, Hoid wouldn't find himself suddenly losing perfect pitch as a function of time. Arcanum Unbounded San Francisco signing (Nov. 30, 2016) Quote DavidB Also, it seems to me like it would be more internally consistent if Awakened objects consumed Breath, to make all of these Breath-consuming powers in the last few chapters fit in better. So for example, if Vasher Awakened a shirt and left it Awakened and doing stuff for a day, then he might be down one-seventh of a breath when he took it back at the end of the day. (Of course, that mechanic requires it to be possible to transfer or Awaken with portions of a Breath, and if you could do that, then using the "putting the Breaths you don't want to transfer into a cloth until after the transfer" thing, you could feed the Returned by taking a tiny fraction of all the Halladren's breaths, instead of taking some people's entire Breaths and turning them into Drabs.) Brandon Sanderson Hum. I like that suggestion, actually. I think I'll use it. Though, what I'll do is say that if you leave the breath in for too long, one of them vanishes. If you can get them back quickly enough, however, there is no loss. That gives a bit of a better explanation of why there aren't a lot of awakened objects doing things all over the place. True, using the breath to make them would be initially expensive--but if you got a magic object that never winds down, then that might be worth the expense. TWG Posts (May 3, 2007)
alder24 Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: Yeah, that might work. Now I'm curious how much Investiture was in the jars compared to Nightblood, cause a random Nalthian with a jar of Purified Dor might be able to replicate Nightblood. Scary. Single Breath is a lot of investiture. Drabs are getting ill faster, see the world in darker colors, are depressed, and are even less invested than people from non-Shard worlds with close to nothing innate investiture. That's why I don't think a single jar of Dor would be equivalent to 1000 Breaths. 1
Trusk'our he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Author Posted April 27, 2023 1 hour ago, alder24 said: Single Breath is a lot of investiture. Drabs are getting ill faster, see the world in darker colors, are depressed, and are even less invested than people from non-Shard worlds with close to nothing innate investiture. That's why I don't think a single jar of Dor would be equivalent to 1000 Breaths. It also makes me wonder, why is it that so much Investiture can be taken up by a human in the form of Breaths (there isn't a maximum limit, you'd just eventually become a mini-Shardic Vessel), but Awakened objects like Nightblood have a much harder limit (though admittedly it's kind of hard to reach).
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