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[Immortal Platypus]

22 minutes ago, Wits instant noodles said:

ah see but that wasn't witch craft only my Infinite intelligence

can we add unreasonable boastfulness to the list of his charges?

[Edema Rue she/her]

Or perhaps lying to the judge?

[Immortal Platypus]

Well, he claims not guilty, and people don't get abnormally punished for pleading not guilty when they are, do they? I know they can get reduced sentences for pleading guilty. But is lying to a judge/court a charge that can be filed before he bears testimony? If he lies in testimony, I believe that is a crime, but... I'm not sure what the precedent on this is  

@Kajsa :), do you know?

[kajsa ㅇㅅㅇ she/her]

4 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said:

Well, he claims not guilty, and people don't get abnormally punished for pleading not guilty when they are, do they? I know they can get reduced sentences for pleading guilty. But is lying to a judge/court a charge that can be filed before he bears testimony? If he lies in testimony, I believe that is a crime, but... I'm not sure what the precedent on this is  

@Kajsa :), do you know?

Elaborate please  

You mean like if he lies in testimony then that is against the law but... wait is your question about pleading guilty or lying or both?

[Immortal Platypus]

4 minutes ago, Kajsa said:

Elaborate please  

You mean like if he lies in testimony then that is against the law but... wait is your question about pleading guilty or lying or both?

uh... both i think?

so if he lies in testimony, is that against the law?

And if he lies (pleads not guilty) but is guilty, can he get punished extra for that?

[The cheeseman Don't you dare go Hollow!]

2 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said:

And if he lies (pleads not guilty) but is guilty, can he get punished extra for that?

Whoa whoa whoa. We do innocent until proven guilty here.

My client is innocent up until the moment the jury decides otherwise and the judge hands down a verdict.

[kajsa ㅇㅅㅇ she/her]

4 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said:

uh... both i think?

so if he lies in testimony, is that against the law?

And if he lies (pleads not guilty) but is guilty, can he get punished extra for that?

If he lies in testimony, that is against the law.

No, he can't. If he is guilty but is pleading not guilty, that's the reason for the trial. Actually a lot of criminal cases go like this: 

Criminal is guilty but pleads not guilty, most lawyers KNOW the client is guilty but it's their job to fight for them and prove them not guilty. So no, he can't get punished extra for pleading not guilty.

[Immortal Platypus]

5 hours ago, cheeseman said:

Whoa whoa whoa. We do innocent until proven guilty here.

My client is innocent up until the moment the jury decides otherwise and the judge hands down a verdict.

I know that, this is all theoretical.

4 hours ago, Kajsa said:

If he lies in testimony, that is against the law.

No, he can't. If he is guilty but is pleading not guilty, that's the reason for the trial. Actually a lot of criminal cases go like this: 

Criminal is guilty but pleads not guilty, most lawyers KNOW the client is guilty but it's their job to fight for them and prove them not guilty. So no, he can't get punished extra for pleading not guilty.

ok, that's what I thought, thanks for confirming.

[kajsa ㅇㅅㅇ she/her]

edit: it's the lawyers' jobs to put doubt into the mind of the jury, not necessarily prove the criminal not guilty. My bad  

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

I am not a witch but since you have brought forth no evidence that cant be explained by my IQ, I would say that either you put forth your evidence or the jury/judge/whoever is deciding this should decide

[Immortal Platypus]

5 minutes ago, Wits instant noodles said:

I am not a witch but since you have brought forth no evidence that cant be explained by my IQ, I would say that either you put forth your evidence or the jury/judge/whoever is deciding this should decide

So, considering that you thought that this was a good idea, I don't know if your IQ can be an explanation. And also because the reason behind this was you misinterpreting a post about the podcast Intentionally Blank. But either way, PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS!!!! I SUMMON YOU!!!!!!!

@Aes Sedai @Kajsa :) (I don't remember if you are actually one or is Aes just said you were) @ANYONE ELSE YOU WANT. CALL YOUR WITNESSES!!!!!! PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE!!!!!! Also, I have a friend that was with me when Noodles confessed, but he doesn't have an account, so I might give him my chromebook later to give testimony. Or we'll set up an account.

Oh, and is lying to the judge/jury while not giving testimony illegal?

Edited March 28, 2023 by Being of Cacophony

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

2 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said:

Noodles confessed

no I used a hypothetical I said if I were a witch id have turned @Being of Cacophony into a frog already and he said I couldn't because of his shard but I said but my witchcraft on top of my shard would let me and hes calling that a confession.

[Immortal Platypus]

1 minute ago, Wits instant noodles said:

no I used a hypothetical I said if I were a witch id have turned @Being of Cacophony into a frog already and he said I couldn't because of his shard but I said but my witchcraft on top of my shard would let me and hes calling that a confession.

You are not giving testimony, now is not your time to speak. Speak again before asked to, and I will have to have security escort you out until it is your turn.

(Even so, that is not what he said. It is close, but he's leaving out details. But i digress.)

[Edema Rue she/her]

3 minutes ago, Wits instant noodles said:

no I used a hypothetical I said if I were a witch id have turned @Being of Cacophony into a frog already and he said I couldn't because of his shard but I said but my witchcraft on top of my shard would let me and hes calling that a confession.

You claimed to have posses witchcraft, and such would prove that you are a witch. Are you now denying that, therefore saying that we cannot trust your word?

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

6 minutes ago, Aes Sedai said:

You claimed to have posses witchcraft, and such would prove that you are a witch. Are you now denying that, therefore saying that we cannot trust your word?

i didnt claim to have witchcraft though I said if I were a witch not that I am a witch

[Immortal Platypus]

*bangs gavel*

Order in the court! Order in the court!

@Aes Sedai, call your witness! Noodles, be quiet unless called as a witness! @cheeseman, can you get your client under control? Just make sure that he doesn't hurt his case by talking before he is called as a witness and/or it's time for cross-examinations.

Witness testimonies will come before cross-examinations!

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there is a very good chance I'm doing this wrong, I think this is the order that a court goes in though  

Edited March 28, 2023 by Being of Cacophony

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

2 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said:

@Aes Sedai, call your witness! Noodles, be quiet unless called as a witness! @cheeseman, can you get your client under control?

that was her directly questioning me its aloud I believe so no I dont need to be kept under control she was questioning me and I answered

[Immortal Platypus]

1 hour ago, Wits instant noodles said:

that was her directly questioning me its aloud I believe so no I dont need to be kept under control she was questioning me and I answered

cross-examinations will come after the witness testimony, which hasn't happened yet. I know there is at least one prosecuting witness.

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I have had a great bad idea! I almost want to try it. Almost. I would share it, but maybe someone else would actually do it, so I guess I won't share it. But it would be funny.

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Also, the other witness from when Noodles confessed has created an account. The username is @I'mNotNotARobot They can be summoned later to give testimony.

Edited March 28, 2023 by Being of Cacophony

[kajsa ㅇㅅㅇ she/her]

2 hours ago, Being of Cacophony said:

So, considering that you thought that this was a good idea, I don't know if your IQ can be an explanation. And also because the reason behind this was you misinterpreting a post about the podcast Intentionally Blank. But either way, PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS!!!! I SUMMON YOU!!!!!!!

@Aes Sedai @Kajsa :) (I don't remember if you are actually one or is Aes just said you were) @ANYONE ELSE YOU WANT. CALL YOUR WITNESSES!!!!!! PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE!!!!!! Also, I have a friend that was with me when Noodles confessed, but he doesn't have an account, so I might give him my chromebook later to give testimony. Or we'll set up an account.

Oh, and is lying to the judge/jury while not giving testimony illegal?

well technically whenever they're talking in court they're on the witness stand which means it's their testimony so yes

 

Also before we hold the trial I can go over the rest of the roles if you want

1 hour ago, Being of Cacophony said:

cross-examinations will come after the witness testimony, which hasn't happened yet. I know there is at least one prosecuting witness.

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I have had a great bad idea! I almost want to try it. Almost. I would share it, but maybe someone else would actually do it, so I guess I won't share it. But it would be funny.

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Also, the other witness from when Noodles confessed has created an account. The username is @I'mNotNotARobot They can be summoned later to give testimony.

Actually, testimony is whatever the witness says while being questioned, direct or cross

Edited March 28, 2023 by Kajsa :)

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

1 minute ago, Kajsa said:

Also before we hold the trial I can go over the rest of the roles if you want

pls do if ima die might as well be a proper trial

[kajsa ㅇㅅㅇ she/her]

1 minute ago, Wits instant noodles said:

pls do if ima die might as well be a proper trial

Haha alright I'll do it as soon as I get time. Which means probably the weekend... gah. I'll try and squeeze it in if I get my homework done fast today/tomorrow. 

[InfiniteInsanity she/her]

7 minutes ago, Wits instant noodles said:

pls do if ima die might as well be a proper trial

 

5 minutes ago, Kajsa said:

Haha alright I'll do it as soon as I get time. Which means probably the weekend... gah. I'll try and squeeze it in if I get my homework done fast today/tomorrow. 

If needed I can also explain things and make sure things are being done right.

[Immortal Platypus]

13 minutes ago, Kajsa said:

Also before we hold the trial I can go over the rest of the roles if you want

Actually, testimony is whatever the witness says while being questioned, direct or cross

that would be great, but I probably can't do this next week, so it would have to be the week after that or this week  ah, scheduling

dang. Shh, he doesn't need to know that.

[Monk of Dakhor]

2 hours ago, Wits instant noodles said:

I am not a witch but since you have brought forth no evidence that cant be explained by my IQ, I would say that either you put forth your evidence or the jury/judge/whoever is deciding this should decide

EVIDENCE!!!! 

Rubix cubes, he can solve them way faster than any man should be able to

[Wits instant noodles he/him]

6 hours ago, Monk of Dakhor said:

Rubix cubes, he can solve them way faster than any man should be able to

hold on that's also my amazing intelligence