Soulcasting god metals

[Xiahida]

Can you soulcast things into god metals or would there be problems and just not work, I'm very interested on mixing types of Investiture.

[Trusk'our]

18 minutes ago, Xiahida said:

Can you soulcast things into god metals or would there be problems and just not work, I'm very interested on mixing types of Investiture.

Godmetals are made of a specific Investiture, and thus have a unique Intent, so I don't think that you could Soulcast something into a Godmetal, and you probably couldn't Soulcast a Godmetal into something else since it's pure Investiture (at the very least, Soulcasting a Godmetal into something else would be very inefficient, since it is highly Invested).

[Xiahida]

Thanks 

[alder24]

Welcome to the Shard. You can't soulcast something into a god metal

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ninch

Could a person Soulcast more atium and lerasium if they had a bead?

Brandon Sanderson

No. Investiture messes things like that up.

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Haylo_Alex

You've said before that Soulcasting can't create Atium or Lerasium which makes sense since they're made of Investiture from other Shards. But could a Soulcaster, perhaps in the proximity of Dalinar's perpendicularity, provide enough Stormlight to Soulcast something into Honor's Godmetal (Tanavastium)? What about Cultivation's metal, or an alloy of both, like Shardblade metal?

Brandon Sanderson

So, creating a God Metal is not something that's done easily in the Cosmere. HOWEVER, it is possible. You'd need a ton of Investiture, and being near Dalinar's perpendicularity is unlikely to be enough. I'd say Soulcasting, or something akin to it, has the means to do this if it could obtain the proper power charge.

Footnote: The questioner is mentioning this WoB.
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[Trusk'our]

25 minutes ago, alder24 said:

 

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Haylo_Alex

You've said before that Soulcasting can't create Atium or Lerasium which makes sense since they're made of Investiture from other Shards. But could a Soulcaster, perhaps in the proximity of Dalinar's perpendicularity, provide enough Stormlight to Soulcast something into Honor's Godmetal (Tanavastium)? What about Cultivation's metal, or an alloy of both, like Shardblade metal?

Brandon Sanderson

So, creating a God Metal is not something that's done easily in the Cosmere. HOWEVER, it is possible. You'd need a ton of Investiture, and being near Dalinar's perpendicularity is unlikely to be enough. I'd say Soulcasting, or something akin to it, has the means to do this if it could obtain the proper power charge.

Footnote: The questioner is mentioning this WoB.
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Awesome. I had assumed that you couldn't Soulcast Godmetals into existence, period.

But this suggests that it is theoretically possible. Just functionally impossible in most cases, since you would need too much Investiture, and the Intent of the Investiture you're using matters.

But, if you were to somehow fuel Soulcasting with Preservation's Investiture (fulfilling the Intent requirement) and were to have enough Investiture, you could Soulcast Lerasium into existence.

Thanks for the neat quote @alder24!

Edited March 6, 2023 by Trusk'our

[Xiahida]

I thought Intent was just WANTING to do something. If not how does it work?

[alder24]

2 minutes ago, Frank of the Emerald Axes said:

I'm still annoyed at our little chat about Windrunners and Fullborn, just to let you know 

Why is that? I have fun with that  But don't talk to me about it here. It's off topic, and spoiler.

4 minutes ago, Xiahida said:

I thought Intent was just WANTING to do something. If not how does it work?

Well, it is. But in case of creating god metals, you can't create Cultivation god metal using Honor's investiture, you need to use investiture that has intent to align with a Shard's metal you want to make. So this is the intent alignment @Trusk'our was talking about.

[Xiahida]

So you need voidlight to make Odium's metal?(In a nutshell)

[Trusk'our]

2 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Well, it is. But in case of creating god metals, you can't create Cultivation god metal using Honor's investiture, you need to use investiture that has intent to align with a Shard's metal you want to make. So this is the intent alignment @Trusk'our was talking about.

Exactly.

You'd need to find a way to convert Preservation's Investiture into something that could be used by the Soulcaster (specifically for Lerasium), and you would need a ton of it too.

And yes, if you wanted to make Raysium, you would need Voidlight.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Trusk'our

[alder24]

3 minutes ago, Xiahida said:

So you need voidlight to make Odium's metal?(In a nutshell)

Yes, tons of it. So much that you can't get it at all, thus making soulcasting a god metal impossible. God metal is a solid form of investiture, while Void/Strom/Lifelight are gaseous. And just like in real life, gas is much much less dense than a solid, but in this case you also have to consider how much investiture is contained in solid form, and it’s much more than in gaseous.

[Trusk'our]

20 hours ago, alder24 said:

Yes, tons of it. So much that you can't get it at all, thus making soulcasting a god metal impossible.

I wonder if a Bondsmith could steal Connection from a Fused or Regal, then amplify it and open a Perpendicularity to Odium's Investiture.

Then you could get all the Voidlight you wanted.

[alder24]

2 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

I wonder if a Bondsmith could steal Connection from a Fused or Regal, then amplify it and open a Perpendicularity to Odium's Investiture.

Then you could get all the Voidlight you wanted.

Once again the same WoB, Dalinar's perpendicularity is unlikely to provide enough investiture for creation of a god metal associated with Shard's perpendicularity

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Haylo_Alex

You've said before that Soulcasting can't create Atium or Lerasium which makes sense since they're made of Investiture from other Shards. But could a Soulcaster, perhaps in the proximity of Dalinar's perpendicularity, provide enough Stormlight to Soulcast something into Honor's Godmetal (Tanavastium)? What about Cultivation's metal, or an alloy of both, like Shardblade metal?

Brandon Sanderson

So, creating a God Metal is not something that's done easily in the Cosmere. HOWEVER, it is possible. You'd need a ton of Investiture, and being near Dalinar's perpendicularity is unlikely to be enough. I'd say Soulcasting, or something akin to it, has the means to do this if it could obtain the proper power charge.

Footnote: The questioner is mentioning this WoB.
General Reddit 2020 (Sept. 4, 2020)

 

[Trusk'our]

Just now, alder24 said:

Once again the same WoB, Dalinar's perpendicularity is unlikely to provide enough investiture for creation of a god metal associated with Shard's perpendicularity

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Haylo_Alex

You've said before that Soulcasting can't create Atium or Lerasium which makes sense since they're made of Investiture from other Shards. But could a Soulcaster, perhaps in the proximity of Dalinar's perpendicularity, provide enough Stormlight to Soulcast something into Honor's Godmetal (Tanavastium)? What about Cultivation's metal, or an alloy of both, like Shardblade metal?

Brandon Sanderson

So, creating a God Metal is not something that's done easily in the Cosmere. HOWEVER, it is possible. You'd need a ton of Investiture, and being near Dalinar's perpendicularity is unlikely to be enough. I'd say Soulcasting, or something akin to it, has the means to do this if it could obtain the proper power charge.

Footnote: The questioner is mentioning this WoB.
General Reddit 2020 (Sept. 4, 2020)

 

If you could find a way to store the power instead of just relying on the Perpendicularity, then maybe you could build up enough Investiture over time.

I wonder how many gemstones worth you would need?