+Tekiny he/him Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) Inspired by this post on Reddit by u/Riktrmai. Suppose we have a time in the future where all of the (relevant) shardworlds know of each other and decide for whatever reason that they need to make a cosmere-wide sports competition. In honor of the Reddit post, maybe they could be called "The Elantric Games" or just "The Elantrics". The Elantrians could act as referees, since they are so immensely powerful. I just want to get the ball rolling on this. What games are getting played? For the sake of convenience, I'm assuming that earth sports somehow developed since we haven't really gotten much in this regard. But if you have any good ideas what Cosmere sports could look like, feel free to share. Connecting this with the different Invested Arts people have access to will become difficult. You could say people have access to an amount of Investiture proportional to their power's impact on the game. So a Windrunner for example would maybe have enough stormlight for one or two lashings, kinda like a finisher move. That could be interesting. And like I already said on Reddit: Rosharans would crush at basketball. (If they aren't crushed by Sel's gravity first ;P) Edited February 9, 2023 by Tekiny 2
TheBreadRuler Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 I mean Pewter turns you into a super athlete, while the Surge of Abrasion in a sport like Basketball or Volleyball would be insanely broken. Most of Sel's magics would be outclassed by the fast magic of Scadrial and Roshar imo. Awakening seems like it could be very interesting. On Scadrial specifically, I wouldn't be surprised if Steelpushing and Ironpushing resulted in a similar game to Quidditch in an arena with a lot of metal obstacles, same in Roshar I guess, although there would probably have to be Order-specific sports.
The Sibling she/her Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 Awakened obstacle courses Luge, but you can lash yourself and or use steel pushes and iron pulls Hurdles but instead of jumping over stuff, you jump in and out of the cognitive realm Ski tricks, but the landing doesn't matter. basically do the most dangerous tricks that you can, then hit the ground and almost die but be healed by truthwatcher If anyone has ever played Echo on VR, it's basically full contact 0 gravity ultimate frisbee with rocket on your hands. Navani's fabrials could help with making this a reality. 2
Frustration Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, TheBreadRuler said: Most of Sel's magics would be outclassed by the fast magic of Scadrial and Roshar imo. No, you can scribe down Aon's ahead of time and then activate them as needed. Nothing can even come close to competing with an Elantrain, outside of Bondsmiths, who are in a league of their own, and should also be banned. Honestly I feel bad for Scadrial, all of the other worlds massively outclass them in speed, strength, grace, control, really anything that you would use in a sport.
+Tekiny he/him Posted February 9, 2023 Author Posted February 9, 2023 42 minutes ago, Frustration said: Honestly I feel bad for Scadrial, all of the other worlds massively outclass them in speed, strength, grace, control, really anything that you would use in a sport. An A-Electrum F-Zinc Twinborn could be pretty powerful in any type of multi-person game. Like, they could see where they'll get tackled in Football and change their path accordingly. Yes, it feels like they would have a power disadvantage but if the amount of investiture they get would scale accordingly, it could be a fair-ish fight nevertheless.
HSuperLee Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Frustration said: Honestly I feel bad for Scadrial, all of the other worlds massively outclass them in speed, strength, grace, control, really anything that you would use in a sport. I'm fairly certain we haven't even begun to see what the metallic arts are really capable of. Most of the books have been with the equivalent of first or second oath Radiants who have barely any understanding of the nuances or capabilities of their magic. Let's give Scadrial some more time to figure out realmatics before we dismiss them outright. 1
Frustration Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 Just now, HSuperLee said: I'm fairly certain we haven't even begun to see what the metallic arts are really capable of. Most of the books have been with the equivalent of first or second oath Radiants who have barely any understanding of the nuances or capabilities of their magic. Let's give Scadrial some more time to figure out realmatics before we dismiss them outright. The same could be said of any system. In fact Allomancy and Feruchemy are actually some of the more explored magics in world.
Bluepanther512 Posted February 11, 2023 Posted February 11, 2023 Tennis but in the air and with 1/2 lashings and some form of propellent employed could be fun, and anyone could play it. Magic is banned, just skill. 1
+Tekiny he/him Posted February 11, 2023 Author Posted February 11, 2023 12 hours ago, Bluepanther512 said: Tennis but in the air and with 1/2 lashings and some form of propellent employed could be fun, and anyone could play it. Magic is banned, just skill. How about you also have weight medallions so you can drop at will? That could be really interesting.
IlstrawberrySeed Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 On 2/11/2023 at 7:16 AM, Tekiny said: How about you also have weight medallions so you can drop at will? That could be really interesting. Weight medallians would do nothing. You are weightless not because you have no weight but because you are being pulled in 2 directions at once at equal force. Those forces are equally effected by weight changes. On 2/9/2023 at 9:10 AM, HSuperLee said: I'm fairly certain we haven't even begun to see what the metallic arts are really capable of. Most of the books have been with the equivalent of first or second oath Radiants who have barely any understanding of the nuances or capabilities of their magic. Let's give Scadrial some more time to figure out realmatics before we dismiss them outright. On 2/9/2023 at 9:11 AM, Frustration said: The same could be said of any system. In fact Allomancy and Feruchemy are actually some of the more explored magics in world. It can be said of any system, but a Bendalloy Savant is incredibly powerful. Combine with steelrunning, F-necrosil, Durilum Burning/Necrobursting, and you could get a multitude of scores. Bondsmithing is the only rosharian ability for time dilation, Elantrians might have something, but no other selish magic can other than forgery, by mimicing another magic. Selish magic may be FTL speed, but is entirely predictable. Enough bendalloy and speed can interupt it's processing. Perhaps if the selish computer spent time in the nowhere, but that doesn't exist in the cosmere. No known magic can stop the raw speed Scadrial magics.
Frustration Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: It can be said of any system, but a Bendalloy Savant is incredibly powerful. Combine with steelrunning, F-necrosil, Durilum Burning/Necrobursting, and you could get a multitude of scores. Bondsmithing is the only rosharian ability for time dilation, Elantrians might have something, but no other selish magic can other than forgery, by mimicing another magic. Selish magic may be FTL speed, but is entirely predictable. Enough bendalloy and speed can interupt it's processing. Perhaps if the selish computer spent time in the nowhere, but that doesn't exist in the cosmere. No known magic can stop the raw speed Scadrial magics. Aon Tia can literally teleport. 100 meter, Marathon, ultramarathon, doesn't matter Elantrian hold the record of instant.
IlstrawberrySeed Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Frustration said: Aon Tia can literally teleport. 100 meter, Marathon, ultramarathon, doesn't matter Elantrian hold the record of instant. That is for movement, which is not always the goal. I mentioned that in one draft, must have gotten rid of it. Teleportation is not an end all, especially when a Scadrian can move something into where you are going to teleport.
Frustration Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, IlstrawberrySeed said: That is for movement, which is not always the goal. I mentioned that in one draft, must have gotten rid of it. Teleportation is not an end all, especially when a Scadrian can move something into where you are going to teleport. This is an Olympic games not combat, so yes, movement is the goal. And you can't move something into where they are going as they get there before you. 1
IlstrawberrySeed Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, Frustration said: This is an Olympic games not combat, so yes, movement is the goal. And you can't move something into where they are going as they get there before you. We have no indication that Aon Tia is literally instantaneous, and even if it is, it either requires activation, that someone moving fast enough can detect, or requires computable input, which a fast enough person can predict where your going to go. In a race Aon Tia likely wins, but if they were playing a balled sport they need to get the ball, move score, reset, repeat. Eventually the Scadrial can figure out the trigger or the pattern and be waiting for the Elantrian to teleport, holding something where they are to teleport. Aonic teleportation in sports is not an end all.
NameIess Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Frustration said: This is an Olympic games not combat, so yes, movement is the goal. And you can't move something into where they are going as they get there before you. Aon Tia can't be predrawn. At least the destination must be programmed in each time.
Frustration Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said: Aon Tia can't be predrawn. At least the destination must be programmed in each time. The destination is relative to the user, or at least can be used that way. That's why Raoden needed the number of footsteps. You can just write send forward X meters, and then each time you touch it(as I'm imagining it written on the jersey or something) you move forward that much. 9 minutes ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: We have no indication that Aon Tia is literally instantaneous, and even if it is, it either requires activation, that someone moving fast enough can detect, or requires computable input, which a fast enough person can predict where your going to go. They can be prewritten, and then activate by touch. 10 minutes ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: but if they were playing a balled sport they need to get the ball, move score, reset, repeat. Eventually the Scadrial can figure out the trigger or the pattern and be waiting for the Elantrian to teleport, holding something where they are to teleport. Aonic teleportation in sports is not an end all. Why would I be talking about ball games? They aren't determined by speed, and make up the vast minority of Olympic events.
NameIess Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Frustration said: The destination is relative to the user, or at least can be used that way. That's why Raoden needed the number of footsteps. You can just write send forward X meters, and then each time you touch it(as I'm imagining it written on the jersey or something) you move forward that much. Fair point. In a free for all race, Elantris would probably win.
IlstrawberrySeed Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Frustration said: The destination is relative to the user, or at least can be used that way. That's why Raoden needed the number of footsteps. You can just write send forward X meters, and then each time you touch it(as I'm imagining it written on the jersey or something) you move forward that much. They can be prewritten, and then activate by touch. Why would I be talking about ball games? They aren't determined by speed, and make up the vast minority of Olympic events. I agree Yes, and the scadrian can move AFAP w/o harm while they are moving to touch the aon. Time how long it takes you to make a fist. I get about .4 seconds. Someone moving at mach 1 can go 177 meters or 150 yards in that time. Scadrians can move much faster than mach one, assuming they don't hurt themselves or the environment. I don't know what goes into the olympics, and ball games are what I could think of that makes my point. Surely other sports suffer a similar conundrum.
Frustration Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, IlstrawberrySeed said: Yes, and the scadrian can move AFAP w/o harm while they are moving to touch the aon. Time how long it takes you to make a fist. I get about .4 seconds. Someone moving at mach 1 can go 177 meters or 150 yards in that time. Scadrians can move much faster than mach one, assuming they don't hurt themselves or the environment. 1. That's sabotage. 2. It takes roughly the same amount of time to start burning metals as it would to move your finger from just above the Aon to touching it.
IlstrawberrySeed Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 37 minutes ago, Frustration said: 1. That's sabotage. 2. It takes roughly the same amount of time to start burning metals as it would to move your finger from just above the Aon to touching it. 1. Is that against the rules in a multiplayer/direct competition? (Obviously in a singleplayer/indirect competition) Is tackling, stiff-arming, or screen-dooring considered sabatoge or a part of the game? It very well be that I'm confusing olympics with game style sports - but they're called olympic sports. 2. It should take the same amount of time for the Aon to teleport you as the metals to start. However, I would expect the Scadrian to be burning before the bell, similar to how the elantrian would be about to press the aon, or a car revs their engines. If the Aonic itself was detecting the start signal and then teleport, it would also be active before hand.
Frustration Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: 1. Is that against the rules in a multiplayer/direct competition? (Obviously in a singleplayer/indirect competition) Is tackling, stiff-arming, or screen-dooring considered sabatoge or a part of the game? It very well be that I'm confusing olympics with game style sports - but they're called olympic sports. The only Olymic sport where that would be allowed(that I know of) is 3 on 3 basketball. 1 out of 40. You are arguing an extremely niche case here. 59 minutes ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: 2. It should take the same amount of time for the Aon to teleport you as the metals to start. However, I would expect the Scadrian to be burning before the bell, similar to how the elantrian would be about to press the aon, or a car revs their engines. If the Aonic itself was detecting the start signal and then teleport, it would also be active before hand. The metals would be swallowed beforehand, but not burning. Edited February 15, 2023 by Frustration
IlstrawberrySeed Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Frustration said: The metals would be swalloed beforehand, but not burning. For the Scadrian to loose in such a situation, the Aon needs to activate faster than the metals and the teleportation needs to be instantaneous. We don;t know these times, so it's all speculation anyway. Edited February 15, 2023 by IlstrawberrySeed
Frustration Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: For the Scadrian to loose in such a situation, the Aon needs to activate faster than the metals Only at the same time 3 minutes ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: the teleportation needs to be instantaneous. It is, otherwise going off-world with it would not be reasonable Spoiler Brightlord Maelstrom Would there be a way that is reasonably feasible to use Aon Tia to teleport off-world? Brandon Sanderson Theoretically yes. Brightlord Maelstrom ...Would there be a way to create it where instead of teleporting you directly there, it opens a portal? Brandon Sanderson We'll go ahead and start RAFOing at this point. Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017)
IlstrawberrySeed Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Ninja'd my edit 1 minute ago, Frustration said: It is, otherwise going off-world with it would not be reasonable Would explain further?
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