Mistborn V.S. 3rd Ideal Lightweaver

[NameIess]

Just now, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It's so much easier for it to be a SR/CR change that causes the PR to scramble in an attempt to reflect that and it doesn't always get it right.

And why would it not be mass-dependent for Stormlight usage, even in that case?

1 minute ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Fabrials are more restrictive, and have far more limited stormlight. 

Still, five experienced soulcasters took seconds of concentration to make something as simple as a windbreak. A single Lightweaver will have to explain what shape they want the air to form into, that's going to take a bit.

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Why would that force them to do anything? Sit there and wait them out.

Mistborn can burn Cadmium and outwait the Radiant.

[Frustration]

11 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

And why would it not be mass-dependent for Stormlight usage, even in that case?

Because mass doesn't exist in the SR.

12 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Still, five experienced soulcasters took seconds of concentration to make something as simple as a windbreak. A single Lightweaver will have to explain what shape they want the air to form into, that's going to take a bit.

They were actually novices that they were training.

12 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Mistborn can burn Cadmium and outwait the Radiant.

But they can't push with steel while inside a bubble, so the radiant walks right up and impales them before they know what is happening.

[NameIess]

Just now, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Because mass doesn't exist in the SR.

Neither does space, so volume can't exist.

Just now, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

They were actually novices that they were training.

No, they were very experienced. Adolin noted that they were becoming inhuman, suffering from savantism like Kaza.

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

But they can't push with steel while inside a bubble, so the radiant walks right up and impales them before they know what is happening.

You know they can't push with steel how?

[StanLemon]

15 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

I would be surprised if bronze could track him. And he is way stronger than someone with pewter. And he doesn't need more voidlight, he will appear, grab the mistborn from behind, and stab then through the neck 

Why wouldn't Bronze be able to track the active use of a Surge? Please explain how you know he's way stronger than someone with Pewter. Because he's stronger than Kaladin? Anyone with Pewter is stronger than Kaladin. The only way he pulls off that trick is if Tin enhanced senses don't notice the glowing read streamer, and Bronze doesn't sense the use of a Surge, and the Mistborn isn't burning Electrum. 

A sneak attack while the Mistborn isn't aware of an active threat? Sure, can easily see that. In a fight while the Mistborn's guard is up? Unlikely. 

[Frustration]

10 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Neither does space, so volume can't exist.

But perception of volume can.

10 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

No, they were very experienced. Adolin noted that they were becoming inhuman, suffering from savantism like Kaza.

Yeah that's right, my bad.

10 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

You know they can't push with steel how?

1. Because Wax would do it

2.

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6 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

Why wouldn't Bronze be able to track the active use of a Surge?

Oh it would pick up when he formed a new body, but flying in spren form isn't active. He needs voidlight per use, not for the amount of time.

7 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

 Please explain how you know he's way stronger than someone with Pewter. Because he's stronger than Kaladin? Anyone with Pewter is stronger than Kaladin.

Because he is stronger than regals, who are stronger than warforms, who are stronger than Rosharans, who are stronger than Scadrians. Even if pewter put someone on Regal levels of strength(which I doubt) he would still be stronger.

9 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

The only way he pulls off that trick is if Tin enhanced senses don't notice the glowing read streamer, and Bronze doesn't sense the use of a Surge, and the Mistborn isn't burning Electrum. 

A sneak attack while the Mistborn isn't aware of an active threat? Sure, can easily see that. In a fight while the Mistborn's guard is up? Unlikely. 

Kaladin's trained and stormlight enhanced senses weren't enough.

[NameIess]

Just now, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

But perception of volume can.

So can perception of mass. And while the change may take place in the spiritual and cognitive realm, the mass is still changed, and that still takes stormlight.

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

1. Because Wax would do it

2.

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Fair. Still, I think this strategy has too many potential ways to fail. Here's a list of things that need to go right in order for it to work as planned:

1. The Lightweaver must be able to make a hallway quickly and accurately.

2. The Mistborn must fail to dodge the hallway or get in close to the Lightweaver before they have a chance to summon their Blade

3. The Lightweaver's Shardblade must be able to fill the entire hallway and simultaneously create spikes in order to effectively threaten the Mistborn.

4. The hallway's walls must be too thick for the Mistborn to destroy, even with Duraluminum powered pushes.

5. The Radiant must have the reaction time to avoid being smashed flat against the wall by or giving an opening due to a Duraluminum powered push against their Shardblade, either directly onto it or onto a few coins that are on it

6. The Radiant must have enough Stormlight to outlast the Mistborn's steel.

[Frustration]

1 minute ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

So can perception of mass. And while the change may take place in the spiritual and cognitive realm, the mass is still changed, and that still takes stormlight.

But humans are really bad at perceiving density, now their bad at volume, especially large volumes, but they're worse at density.

2 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

2. The Mistborn must fail to dodge the hallway or get in close to the Lightweaver before they have a chance to summon their Blade

I'm not sure what you mean here, they always have a chance to summon.

3 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

3. The Lightweaver's Shardblade must be able to fill the entire hallway and simultaneously create spikes in order to effectively threaten the Mistborn.

Hollow spikes work just as well.

4 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

4. The hallway's walls must be too thick for the Mistborn to destroy, even with Duraluminum powered pushes.

It's stone how thick does it have to be?

4 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

5. The Radiant must have the reaction time to avoid being smashed flat against the wall by or giving an opening due to a Duraluminum powered push against their Shardblade, either directly onto it or onto a few coins that are on it

Even if they get pinned against the wall the Mistborn has the same problem, and they can't heal.

5 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

6. The Radiant must have enough Stormlight to outlast the Mistborn's steel.

Just their pewter, without that the lightweavers body can naturally take more force.

[StanLemon]

13 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Because he is stronger than regals, who are stronger than warforms, who are stronger than Rosharans, who are stronger than Scadrians. Even if pewter put someone on Regal levels of strength(which I doubt) he would still be stronger.

I'm pretty sure you are over stating his strength. The events of the book that I recall do not support such overwhelming strength. Vin on the other hand was able to wield a sword as big as she was and was cutting through Koloss limbs with that same blade even though it was most likely at least partially dull

18 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Kaladin's trained and stormlight enhanced senses weren't enough.

Since when does Stormlight give enhanced senses? 

[Immortal Platypus]

I would say that Mistborn wins for sure if the Lightweaver is bad at soulcasting, the illusions don't matter a whole lot because of bronze and copper might (maybe) neutralize soulcasting (especially if it's weak soulcasting).

[NameIess]

Just now, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

But humans are really bad at perceiving density, now their bad at volume, especially large volumes, but they're worse at density.

Why should it be based on perception? Changing the physical aspect still requires energy.

Just now, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

I'm not sure what you mean here, they always have a chance to summon.

If the Mistborn can get their hands on the Lightweaver while they're distracted with Soulcasting, they won't be able to summon their Blade.

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Hollow spikes work just as well.

Still, that's far bigger than any Blade we've seen summoned.

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It's stone how thick does it have to be?

Lost Metal:

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Duraluminum pushes can shove trucks with ease. If a Mistborn braces themselves in the middle of the room with a bunch of coins pushed against the walls, then duraluminum pushes outwards, they will be able to exert massive amounts of force.

 

7 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Even if they get pinned against the wall the Mistborn has the same problem, and they can't heal.

Duraluminum Pewter allows the Mistborn to resist that, and they can always push against coins on the back wall to prevent that from happening. The Radiant will be smashed into paste while the Mistborn will get some bruises at worst.

9 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Just their pewter, without that the lightweavers body can naturally take more force.

Bracing against the back wall fixes that problem.

[Frustration]

8 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

Since when does Stormlight give enhanced senses? 

Reflexes, sorry.

8 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

I'm pretty sure you are over stating his strength. The events of the book that I recall do not support such overwhelming strength. Vin on the other hand was able to wield a sword as big as she was and was cutting through Koloss limbs with that same blade even though it was most likely at least partially dull

He was able to pound on stone doors loud enough to be heard on the other side.

3 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said:

I would say that Mistborn wins for sure if the Lightweaver is bad at soulcasting, the illusions don't matter a whole lot because of bronze and copper might (maybe) neutralize soulcasting (especially if it's weak soulcasting).

If the mistborn is bad at fighting they lose.  Requiring one side to be unskilled isn't fair.

2 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Why should it be based on perception? Changing the physical aspect still requires energy.

It does, far more energy than stormlight alone seems to have. The only way such transformations are possible is if it draws in more energy.

3 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

If the Mistborn can get their hands on the Lightweaver while they're distracted with Soulcasting, they won't be able to summon their Blade.

They can see the mistborn's soul while viewing the CR, they aren't comatose. 

3 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Still, that's far bigger than any Blade we've seen summoned.

It's also the only time where such a large weapon would prove useful.

4 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Lost Metal

TLM spoilers aren't allowed here.

5 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Duraluminum Pewter allows the Mistborn to resist that, and they can always push against coins on the back wall to prevent that from happening. The Radiant will be smashed into paste while the Mistborn will get some bruises at worst.

They will experience the same amount of force, whether they are pushing on coins behind them or not.

6 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Bracing against the back wall fixes that problem.

How? If the mistborn is pushing on coins lodged against the shield, both of them will have the same amount of force applied to them.

[NameIess]

Just now, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It does, far more energy than stormlight alone seems to have. The only way such transformations are possible is if it draws in more energy.

More energy from where? 

1 minute ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

They can see the mistborn's soul while viewing the CR, they aren't comatose. 

Of course not. but soulcasting something that complex and large will take focus, and focus is hard when you have a Mistborn waiting for an opening.

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It's also the only time where such a large weapon would prove useful.

Radiants have fought in hallways before.

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

TLM spoilers aren't allowed here.

Which is why I put it in a spoiler tag.

5 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

They will experience the same amount of force, whether they are pushing on coins behind them or not.

Pewter allows them to take it, and the Radiant will still be mush if they don't react in time.

8 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

How? If the mistborn is pushing on coins lodged against the shield, both of them will have the same amount of force applied to them.

Maybe it doesn't, but the Mistborn can push with steel hard enough to keep the Lightweaver pinned without actually hurting themselves. 

[Frustration]

7 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

More energy from where? 

The Spiritual realm.

7 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Of course not. but soulcasting something that complex and large will take focus, and focus is hard when you have a Mistborn waiting for an opening.

It seems pretty quick once you know what you are doing. 

7 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Radiants have fought in hallways before. 

In urithiru, where they couldn't summon blades, and the Kholinar palace, which is far too large to block with blades.

7 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Which is why I put it in a spoiler tag.

Even in a spoiler tag it isn't allowed.

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7 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Pewter allows them to take it, and the Radiant will still be mush if they don't react in time.

If pewter can save them so can stormlight. And if it turns them to mush Pewter won't save them.

7 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Maybe it doesn't, but the Mistborn can push with steel hard enough to keep the Lightweaver pinned without actually hurting themselves. 

And then they will run out of steel and be killed.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Ookla the Frustrated.

[NameIess]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

The Spiritual realm.

That doesn't make sense. Why would it need to do that?

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It seems pretty quick once you know what you are doing. 

Source? We've never seen anyone soulcast something that large and complex quickly.

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

In urithiru, where they couldn't summon blades, and the Kholinar palace, which is far too large to block with blades.

Still, the biggest we've seen Syl get is a shield. This is at least several times bigger than that.

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Even in a spoiler tag it isn't allowed.

That doesn't specifically say anything about not allowing new book content with spoiler tags, and in the TLM spoiler policy Chaos specifically states that "This is the place where you can talk about new book stuff with no spoiler tags!"

https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/111233-spoiler-policy-for-lost-metal/

8 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

If pewter can save them so can stormlight. And if it turns them to mush Pewter won't save them.

With duraluminum, Pewter will save them.

10 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

And then they will run out of steel and be killed.

if the Radiant has enough Stormlight to outlast their steel. 

[Frustration]

1 minute ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

That doesn't make sense. Why would it need to do that? 

Because the amount of energy needed is beyond what we see stormlight provide.

2 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Source? We've never seen anyone soulcast something that large and complex quickly.

It's not complex, it's literally a tube.with sealed ends.

3 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Still, the biggest we've seen Syl get is a shield. This is at least several times bigger than that.

1.5 times at most

3 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

That doesn't specifically say anything about not allowing new book content with spoiler tags, and in the TLM spoiler policy Chaos specifically states that "This is the place where you can talk about new book stuff with no spoiler tags!"

https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/111233-spoiler-policy-for-lost-metal/

Right here

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4 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

With duraluminum, Pewter will save them.

And then their out of pewter and duralumin.

4 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

if the Radiant has enough Stormlight to outlast their steel. 

Pewter. They can survive without stormlight more than the Mistborn can without pewter. So if they both experienced the same force the Mistborn would get the worst of it.

[NameIess]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Because the amount of energy needed is beyond what we see stormlight provide.

Why?

1 minute ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It's not complex, it's literally a tube.with sealed ends.

A large tube with sealed ends. You'd at least have to explain that to the air. "I need you to become a large tube with sealed ends, trapping both me and the Mistborn inside."

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

1.5 times at most

1.5 times at most? Assuming Syl became a 6 foot by 3 foot shield, and the hallway is 6 by six, that's still double at least, no including the spikes.

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Right here

Nothing specifically against it, and Chaos' statement implies that it's allowed.

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

And then their out of pewter and duralumin.

Which can easily be replenished, while the Radiant is paste against a wall.

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Pewter. They can survive without stormlight more than the Mistborn can without pewter. So if they both experienced the same force the Mistborn would get the worst of it.

Mistborn doesn't have to burn Pewter until they go in for the finishing blow, after the Radiant's out of stormlight.

[Chaos he/him]

Tagged spoilers are allowed.

[Frustration]

10 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Why?

Do you know how much energy nuclear fusion takes?

10 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

A large tube with sealed ends. You'd at least have to explain that to the air. "I need you to become a large tube with sealed ends, trapping both me and the Mistborn inside."

"Become stone" while holding the correct image in mind would do just as well.

10 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

1.5 times at most? Assuming Syl became a 6 foot by 3 foot shield, and the hallway is 6 by six, that's still double at least, no including the spikes.

Why would you make it 6 feet wide?

10 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Which can easily be replenished, while the Radiant is paste against a wall.

They would never have become paste in the first place.

10 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Mistborn doesn't have to burn Pewter until they go in for the finishing blow, after the Radiant's out of stormlight.

If they aren't burning pewter they aren't pushing hard enough the radiant needs stormlight. The only reason to draw it in at this point would be either their pushed against the wall so hard the mistborn needs pewter, or the oxygen is running out, in which case the Mistborn can't survive.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Ookla the Frustrated.

[NameIess]

8 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Do you know how much energy nuclear fusion takes?

They don't need to use nuclear fusion. Investiture-based methods will be vastly more efficient.

9 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

"Become stone" while holding the correct image in mind would do just as well.

They'd have to be very skilled to do so. Again, we haven't even seen Jasnah do something like that, so why are you assuming an average Lightweaver would be able to do so?

10 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Why would you make it 6 feet wide?

What dimensions were you thinking?

10 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

They would never have become paste in the first place.

Because?

11 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

If they aren't burning pewter they aren't pushing hard enough the radiant needs stormlight. The only reason to draw it in at this point would be either their pushed against the wall so hard the mistborn needs pewter, or the oxygen is running out, in which case the Mistborn can't survive.

If the Radiant doesn't have Stormlight, the Mistborn can sense that and kill them with a Duraluminum push.

And this discussion is useless, because the Mistborn would simply break out of the hallway with a Duraluminum push before the Lightweaver could do any of this.

 

[Frustration]

6 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

They don't need to use nuclear fusion. Investiture-based methods will be vastly more efficient.

How?

6 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

They'd have to be very skilled to do so. Again, we haven't even seen Jasnah do something like that, so why are you assuming an average Lightweaver would be able to do so?

Why would Jasnah need to do that? It is practically a useless gimmick outside of 1 on 1 battles.

7 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

What dimensions were you thinking?

Barely wide enough to walk down.

8 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Because?

Stormlight would absorb the impact.

8 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

If the Radiant doesn't have Stormlight, the Mistborn can sense that and kill them with a Duraluminum push.

They can draw in stormlight reflexively.

9 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

And this discussion is useless, because the Mistborn would simply break out of the hallway with a Duraluminum push before the Lightweaver could do any of this.

Coins aren't big enough to break a hole large enough for them to get out. 

[NameIess]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

How?

No space in the spiritual realm, so it could manipulate the positioning of electrons or something. Seems more reasonable to me than Soulcasters being able to use energy from the spiritual realm without a perpendicularity.

5 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Why would Jasnah need to do that? It is practically a useless gimmick outside of 1 on 1 battles.

We only ever see her soulcast small but detailed things (writing with soulcasting) or large but uniform things (Thaylen city wall, aoe oil attack)

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Barely wide enough to walk down.

So like two-3 feet? Still, with the spikes that's far larger than we've seen a Shardblade go.

8 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Stormlight would absorb the impact.

Stormlight would prevent them from being smashed by their own Shardblade?

9 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

They can draw in stormlight reflexively.

They'd have barely any time to react, and even after that they'd still have to be using up Stormlight.

10 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Coins aren't big enough to break a hole large enough for them to get out. 

It's easy enough to surround a circular area large enough to escape through with coins.

[alder24]

40 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

1.5 times at most

What? What are the shield sizes in your opinion?
Round shields seem to have varied in size from around 45 - 120cm (18" - 48") in diameter but the smaller and more manageable 75 - 90cm (30" - 36") is by far the most common.
A typical kite (triangular shape) shield was at least 90-150cm (3-5 feet) high
The heater shield (triangular shape) is usually approx. 50-90 cm high (depending on period, later it became shorter), and 60cm wide.

Most shields are as wide as a person, often less than that.

So which one of those shields would only needed to be 1.5 times bigger to fill whole corridor? Every one of them needs to be several times bigger.

[Frustration]

15 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

No space in the spiritual realm, so it could manipulate the positioning of electrons or something. Seems more reasonable to me than Soulcasters being able to use energy from the spiritual realm without a perpendicularity.

Breaths draw energy from the SR.

15 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

We only ever see her soulcast small but detailed things (writing with soulcasting) or large but uniform things (Thaylen city wall, aoe oil attack)

It's not that complex, the wall curves, and has stairways and crenelations, the hallway would be much simpler by comparison. 

16 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

So like two-3 feet? Still, with the spikes that's far larger than we've seen a Shardblade go.

And?

17 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Stormlight would prevent them from being smashed by their own Shardblade?

It saved Shallan from falling the hundred feet into the Chasms.

18 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

They'd have barely any time to react, and even after that they'd still have to be using up Stormlight.

It would use less stormlight than the mistborn lost in pewter and steel.

18 minutes ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

It's easy enough to surround a circular area large enough to escape through with coins.

The coins would continue sliding down the wall away from you, and that's assuming the radiant just let them set that up.

8 minutes ago, alder24 said:

What? What are the shield sizes in your opinion?
Round shields seem to have varied in size from around 45 - 120cm (18" - 48") in diameter but the smaller and more manageable 75 - 90cm (30" - 36") is by far the most common.
A typical kite (triangular shape) shield was at least 90-150cm (3-5 feet) high
The heater shield (triangular shape) is usually approx. 50-90 cm high (depending on period, later it became shorter), and 60cm wide.

Most shields are as wide as a person, often less than that.

So which one of those shields would only needed to be 1.5 times bigger to fill whole corridor? Every one of them needs to be several times bigger.

There were kite shields large enough to cover a person. Admittedly they were abnormally large, but shardblades are already over seven feet long.

[NameIess]

16 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

Breaths draw energy from the SR.

Breaths are a very different magic system from soulcasting. And you've given no reasons that my assumption wouldn't work.

17 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It's not that complex, the wall curves, and has stairways and crenelations, the hallway would be much simpler by comparison. 

We didn't see any indication that the wall that Jasnah made was anything other than a solid chunk of Bronze.

20 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

And?

And we have no idea if a Blade can get that large. Also, remember that you have to trap the Mistborn in this room, so it can't be too small on the inside or else it'll be impossible to aim the soulcasting.

21 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It saved Shallan from falling the hundred feet into the Chasms.

Both Shallan and Kaladin blacked out briefly, I believe, and Stormlight only seems to work that way on falls.

27 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

It would use less stormlight than the mistborn lost in pewter and steel.

Not really. They'd have to heal themselves, which has been shown to drain their Stormlight extremely quickly. Mistborn regularly carry 10-20 minutes of metals at least.

28 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said:

The coins would continue sliding down the wall away from you, and that's assuming the radiant just let them set that up.

The Radiant is being pushed away from you with steel. The Mistborn could just throw a ton of coins against the wall behind them, then a bunch onto the Radiant's Shardblade, then Duraluminum push. You both destroy the walls at both ends, and force the Radiant to use an absurd amount of Stormlight all in one move.

[Frustration]

1 hour ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Breaths are a very different magic system from soulcasting. And you've given no reasons that my assumption wouldn't work.

I have no reason your assumption would work, so why should I assume that it is correct?

1 hour ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

We didn't see any indication that the wall that Jasnah made was anything other than a solid chunk of Bronze.

The soulcast I am proposing is nothing other than a hollow chunk of stone.

1 hour ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Both Shallan and Kaladin blacked out briefly, I believe, and Stormlight only seems to work that way on falls.

Kaladin did, I don't think we have anything on Shallan. And what's special about falling?

1 hour ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

Not really. They'd have to heal themselves, which has been shown to drain their Stormlight extremely quickly. Mistborn regularly carry 10-20 minutes of metals at least.

They can heal from multiple leathal wounds on a single pouch, and duralumin would burn that down to single digit minutes fast.

1 hour ago, UnfortunatelyNamed said:

The Radiant is being pushed away from you with steel. The Mistborn could just throw a ton of coins against the wall behind them, then a bunch onto the Radiant's Shardblade, then Duraluminum push. You both destroy the walls at both ends, and force the Radiant to use an absurd amount of Stormlight all in one move.

Even with duralumin pewter their body would give out before the stone did.