dannnex male Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 alright now devo votes me and aman votes TUN and the circle will be complete
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 Was waiting for that to maintain the pristineness of my one word/name post. What are we thinking for elim team size? Does the wincon effect it? If not it would probably be 4, with an edge case of three and a very low likelihood of five. Do we even want to theorize on Inner circle size?
dannnex male Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ookla the Unknown said: Was waiting for that to maintain the pristineness of my one word/name post. What are we thinking for elim team size? Does the wincon effect it? If not it would probably be 4, with an edge case of three and a very low likelihood of five. Do we even want to theorize on Inner circle size? I think this game is very elim-leaning, so I'd hope for a smaller sized team. I think sizes of 3 and 4 have about an equal probability of being true. Depends on how mean our lovely GM was feeling. Hoefully we can learn how big the inner circle is eventually. Like if someone knows they're gonna get elim-killed they can tell the rest of us before they die. I have no idea how to even approach guessing how many there might be.
Stick. she/her Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ookla the Unknown said: Was waiting for that to maintain the pristineness of my one word/name post. What are we thinking for elim team size? Does the wincon effect it? If not it would probably be 4, with an edge case of three and a very low likelihood of five. Do we even want to theorize on Inner circle size? Does answering this question not indirectly involve postulations regarding the inner circle size? I would guess the elim team size would be somewhat reflective of it, at least to some extent. But for the sake of discussion I’d say that an elim team with the standard outnumbering wincon would probably have four players here yeah cuz the village gets an extra vote and while everybody on the elim team is roleless. edit: 3 minutes ago, ookla the gastrointestinal said: Hoefully we can learn how big the inner circle is eventually. Like if someone knows they're gonna get elim-killed they can tell the rest of us before they die. I have no idea how to even approach guessing how many there might be. What would this accomplish? Edited December 18, 2022 by _Stick_
dannnex male Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: What would this accomplish? Not entirely sure but more info never hurts the village the elim team can spectate the inner circle so they already know no reason we shouldn't know too it would help us figure out when exlo actually is
Kasimir he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ookla the Unknown said: What are we thinking for elim team size? Does the wincon effect it? If not it would probably be 4, with an edge case of three and a very low likelihood of five. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Three to four players likely. Here's the thing: killing normal players doesn't directly affect their wincon, but it does help them gain vote supremacy. If it's too easy for Elims to get vote supremacy, then we have a problem because the lynch effectively becomes a secondary kill for them, which is still bad given their wincon. I can see some leeway here but I don't see too much room to be exotic. Similar considerations when I was looking at possible distros for MR61. Other issue is: their wincon means they can win prior to outnumbering, but if we're in a world where they outnumber us, we are in trouble anyway because there is nothing we can do if we can't control the lynch! So I am not really sure the wincon affects it too much. 13 minutes ago, Ookla the Unknown said: Do we even want to theorize on Inner circle size? No because if someone is blatantly wrong about it, the Elims get to draw inferences I'm not interested in helping them. 2 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Does answering this question not indirectly involve postulations regarding the inner circle size? I would guess the elim team size would be somewhat reflective of it, at least to some extent. Eh. Not sure it really matters either way. I'm not down for lynching Aman or Fifth today. 1
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Does answering this question not indirectly involve postulations regarding the inner circle size? I don't particularly see the correlation, although it is kinda likely for some inexplicable reason. I wonder how valid of a strategy just not talking in the inner circle doc would be. I think most people would talk because that’s what Szeth wants us to do, but also I don't think there's much benefit in doing so.
Kasimir he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 Just now, Ookla the Unknown said: I wonder how valid of a strategy just not talking in the inner circle doc would be. I think most people would talk because that’s what Szeth wants us to do, but also I don't think there's much benefit in doing so. It would be but I can think of one or two scenarios where it's worthwhile to do so, e.g. Hal. 2 minutes ago, ookla the gastrointestinal said: it would help us figure out when exlo actually is Danex.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kasimir said: e.g. Hal. What do you mean by this? If bad, don't tell me.
Kasimir he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Ookla the Unknown said: What do you mean by this? If bad, don't tell me. Wow, you only want to know good things? I'm going to hold on to that for the moment. I expect to see it play out eventually but don't feel much is gained from pre-empting it. Probably the opposite in fact.
Stick. she/her Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, ookla the gastrointestinal said: Not entirely sure but more info never hurts the village the elim team can spectate the inner circle so they already know no reason we shouldn't know too it would help us figure out when exlo actually is You’re right that the elim team’s aware of the size of the inner circle due to the doc access, but the inner circle is also aware of the size of the inner circle They’ll know when the village situ is dire. Also how would someone know if they’re about to get elim killed anyway? xD Additionally I don’t know if exlo is really a thing in this game - we don’t ‘exe an elim or lose’ in any scenario except where the elims are certain of the identity of the last inner circle member and can easily night kill them.
dannnex male Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 1 minute ago, _Stick_ said: You’re right that the elim team’s aware of the size of the inner circle due to the doc access, but the inner circle is also aware of the size of the inner circle They’ll know when the village situ is dire. Ah but some of us aren't in the inner circle. I will always operate under the following principle as a villager: If a piece of information does not help the Elim team, it should be shared with the Village. I believe I have expressed this maaaaaany times, so should be no surprise. 2 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Also how would someone know if they’re about to get elim killed anyway? xD If they realize they've revealed themselves in the IC doc.
Kasimir he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 1 minute ago, _Stick_ said: You’re right that the elim team’s aware of the size of the inner circle due to the doc access, but the inner circle is also aware of the size of the inner circle They’ll know when the village situ is dire. Also how would someone know if they’re about to get elim killed anyway? xD Additionally I don’t know if exlo is really a thing in this game - we don’t ‘exe an elim or lose’ in any scenario except where the elims are certain of the identity of the last inner circle member and can easily night kill them. It's really only exlo if we're about to lynch the last inner circle member, and arguably that's just zugzwang for the Village either way - if they claim, they get NKed so nothing is gained by claiming. Not claiming probably damns them to death, but is the better path to try to negotiate. Of course, on the IKYK layer, this might mean the Elim team just ends up NKing them anyway thinking they're IC trying to pretend not to be IC since theoretically losing a regular Villager is not as directly awful as in a regular game. Either way, we have no way of really knowing how close we are to exlo for that very obvious reason and I'm not ready to begin to contemplate that situation on C1. It's a distraction from the task at hand. ...Anyone interested in more pazaak?
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: Additionally I don’t know if exlo is really a thing in this game - we don’t ‘exe an elim or lose’ in any scenario except where the elims are certain of the identity of the last inner circle member and can easily night kill them. Normal exlo is still exlo, once the elims have a majority, everyone will be exed. But that's like 14/3, 12/3, 10/3, 8/3, 6/3, 4/3, 2/3. Seven cycles away with #threelims. Even then if Winzik is still alive it's tied votewise.
Kasimir he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) p1 C1: Bad: [Danex] IDK/DGAF: [Stick, Hael, TUN] No: [Aman, Fifth, Almond] Edited to add: TUN should really be italicised. Edited December 18, 2022 by Kasimir
Mat he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 I claim Winzik Aight goodnight see you all tomorrow
dannnex male Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Ookla the Tall said: I claim Winzik Aight goodnight see you all tomorrow I counterclaim Winzik
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) Hael. Mat. I second this sleeping notion. You too Kas, noon isn't to late to go to sleep. Edit: Ninja’d by the One of Many Ms, now I'm confused. Which one do I vote? Edited December 18, 2022 by Ookla the Unknown
Stick. she/her Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ookla the Unknown said: Normal exlo is still exlo, once the elims have a majority, everyone will be exed. But that's like 14/3, 12/3, 10/3, 8/3, 6/3, 4/3, 2/3. Seven cycles away with #threelims. Even then if Winzik is still alive it's tied votewise. Yeah hopefully it doesn’t get to that lol 4 minutes ago, Kasimir said: p1 C1: Bad: [Danex] IDK/DGAF: [Stick, Hael, TUN] No: [Aman, Fifth, Almond] Edited to add: TUN should really be italicised. why is Danex bad?
Kasimir he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 1 minute ago, _Stick_ said: Yeah hopefully it doesn’t get to that lol why is Danex bad? I'm interested in your read of Danex
dannnex male Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 Just now, Kasimir said: I'm interested in your read of Danex said the person who hasn't posted a dannex read yet. i think we're all more interested in yours.
Kasimir he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ookla the Tall said: I claim Winzik Aight goodnight see you all tomorrow 10 minutes ago, ookla the gastrointestinal said: I counterclaim Winzik 9 minutes ago, Ookla the Unknown said: Hael. Mat. I second this sleeping notion. You too Kas, noon isn't to late to go to sleep. Edit: Ninja’d by the One of Many Ms, now I'm confused. Which one do I vote? Spoiler I'm already voting Danex but will be happy to swap to Mat.
Stick. she/her Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I'm interested in your read of Danex I think their takes rub me the wrong way, even if they are probably alright in theory. 3 minutes ago, ookla the gastrointestinal said: said the person who hasn't posted a dannex read yet. i think we're all more interested in yours. Huh? xD Is this directed at me or Kas? Kas did provide a read on you
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