What is marsh now?

[bmcclure7]

What exactly is happening to marsh? He says that harmony invests him sometimes. Dose the make him a avatar, sliver or something else entirely?  Also what with the part at the end about someone pourposely spread stories about him off world?

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On 22.11.2022 at 6:55 AM, bmcclure7 said:

What exactly is happening to marsh? He says that harmony invests him sometimes. Dose the make him a avatar, sliver or something else entirely?  Also what with the part at the end about someone pourposely spread stories about him off world?

I understood that not as cosmere invested but us Harmony gives him the responsibility of talking to people before they pass to the beyond. 

About the stories about him: Khriss says that maybe it is just normal rumors and I think it is the likely explanation - There are Scadrian worldhoppers in a lot of other planets and it is likely they bring stories about a guy/demi-god that talks to people before they die.

[alder24]

By that statement I do understand that he is being invested by Harmony, just enough to be physically/spiritually fully present in Cognitive Realm, so he could talk to those who died before going to the Beyond. Harmony have to actively invest him, and then take it away. More than there is in Bands but less in Well of Ascention. Would that make him a Sliver? He would be close to it maybe, but by Coppermind definition:

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Requirements:

1. Slivers must be sapient beings.
2. A human must hold a large portion of a Shard; a single bead of lerasium is not enough. While using the Well of Ascension seems to make one a Sliver, touching the Well of Ascension but not holding and using its power might not.
3. Slivers must have used up that power or released it.

Is point three met? He doesn't use it up, nor release it, it's taken away from him at most. Is there even enough investiture to met point two?

He also doesn't hold that Investiture constantly, so not an avatar as well.
Harmony could just transfer him to CS himself, but then Marsh would have to walk to everyone that he wants to meet - not practical. So Marsh must experience something like Wax did in BoM, but without dieing part.
So it would have to be just to disconnect his soul, without harming the body, and allow it to manifest and move around freely in CR.

I would say his something else, less than a Sliver but close.

About stories that could be just worldhoppers gossiping or purposeful action by someone. That could easily be Harmony, as he likes religions, he likes when they are being spread around and talked about. Or Kelsier, to warn potential enemies, that the old and powerful defener is still active on Scadrial. Or believers of Marsh just talking about Death.

I do have a different question. Does Marsh wants to play death and meet souls, or is it just Harmony pushing him to do it, and Marsh just doesn't want to sadden or insult his only remaining friend?

[bmcclure7]

5 hours ago, alder24 said:

By that statement I do understand that he is being invested by Harmony, just enough to be physically/spiritually fully present in Cognitive Realm, so he could talk to those who died before going to the Beyond. Harmony have to actively invest him, and then take it away. More than there is in Bands but less in Well of Ascention. Would that make him a Sliver? He would be close to it maybe, but by Coppermind definition:

Is point three met? He doesn't use it up, nor release it, it's taken away from him at most. Is there even enough investiture to met point two?

He also doesn't hold that Investiture constantly, so not an avatar as well.
Harmony could just transfer him to CS himself, but then Marsh would have to walk to everyone that he wants to meet - not practical. So Marsh must experience something like Wax did in BoM, but without dieing part.
So it would have to be just to disconnect his soul, without harming the body, and allow it to manifest and move around freely in CR.

I would say his something else, less than a Sliver but close.

About stories that could be just worldhoppers gossiping or purposeful action by someone. That could easily be Harmony, as he likes religions, he likes when they are being spread around and talked about. Or Kelsier, to warn potential enemies, that the old and powerful defener is still active on Scadrial. Or believers of Marsh just talking about Death.

I do have a different question. Does Marsh wants to play death and meet souls, or is it just Harmony pushing him to do it, and Marsh just doesn't want to sadden or insult his only remaining friend?

1.Good point but even if he is not a sliver I can't help but wonder if harmony doing this will do something to marsh spirit web.

 

2 .would be weird if going forward we hear stories of Iron eyes on other planets. 

3.the Last part makes me said I hope he gets some friends in era 3. 

[lacrossedeamon]

7 hours ago, alder24 said:

About stories that could be just worldhoppers gossiping or purposeful action by someone. That could easily be Harmony, as he likes religions, he likes when they are being spread around and talked about. Or Kelsier, to warn potential enemies, that the old and powerful defener is still active on Scadrial. Or believers of Marsh just talking about Death.

We are supposed to be getting a more indepth look at Sliverism as a religion in the later Eras. I think stories about Marsh getting offworld are probably due to worldhoppers that subscribe to that belief. Also it is Khriss that is reporting on the rumors about him. It is possible that before sending MeLaan out into the cognitive realm Harmony first used Marsh.

[Seana she/her]

On 12/10/2022 at 0:26 PM, alder24 said:

I do have a different question. Does Marsh want to play death and meet souls, or is it just Harmony pushing him to do it, and Marsh just doesn't want to sadden or insult his only remaining friend?

I like to think that Marsh gladly accepted that job so he could make sure that idiots like his brother (and eventually himself) would move on.

Marsh is a representation of Old “pure” Ruin and Kelsier of Old “pure” Preservation- Kelsier won’t rusting let go of anything and Marsh will do everything he can to make sure that things change.