Roshar Implications?

[+Oltux72 he/him]

1 hour ago, teknopathetic said:

We are agreeing I think? I assume many people have left Roshar recently (post SA5) based on seeing “choutta” for sale, possible Horneaters in the epilogue, and even just generally the Oathgates and Willshapers making Shadesmaar much more easy to access.

Yes.

1 hour ago, teknopathetic said:

I think some of us thought maybe whatever happened in or after SA5 made moving a spren bond off Roshar possible. That these Skybreakers were a hint that at least one Highspren had gotten off world. However, Brandon says that no one but Hoid has managed this by TLM.

No, I am sorry, but that is just not what he said.

He quite specifically said that nobody bonded to a Spren but Hoid managed that. Nothing what he said rules out an unbonded Spren leaving Roshar.
Now, why would that be easier? I have no idea. In fact, it probably isn't. But we know that by this time the Ghostbloods will have worked for years on getting Investiture off Roshar. Spren are made of Investiture. People are not.

So for all we know the people Steris saw were Scadrians bound to a Highspren, having formed the bond on Scadrial.

1 hour ago, teknopathetic said:

So this is odd. The people we are seeing appear to be Skybreakers in principle and military formation, but don’t use a spren bond. Maybe they are Voidbinding, or Old Magic from Old Ashyn, or Warbinding, honourblades, or something else. Or like you said they are powered in another way. 

The powering is not the issue. The regard of a Skybreaker for legality derives from being bound to a Highspren and the oaths required for that. If you break your oath, your bond will break. You can do so by totally mundane means. It will still break.

 

[lacrossedeamon]

3 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

The regard of a Skybreaker for legality derives from being bound to a Highspren and the oaths required for that.

This seems backwards. You don't suddenly care about legality because you've bonded a highspren, highspren choose to bond to you because the care for legality came first. If a Skybreaker suddenly lost their bond for whatever reason they would still care about legality (or at least following some sort of code) because that is an inherent part of their personality.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

5 hours ago, lacrossedeamon said:

This seems backwards. You don't suddenly care about legality because you've bonded a highspren, highspren choose to bond to you because the care for legality came first.

That is the usual case, as the Spren highly prefer that. But it is not a requirement. The best counterexamples are Design and The Sibling.

Whereas if you break your oath, those will be the consequences.

 

[StormingTexan he/him]

On 11/16/2022 at 7:37 PM, teknopathetic said:

6. There may have been Skybreakers sent to help sink the boats in the bay. 

All the speculation on this and it was debunked in the TLM Spoiler Stream 

Edit: Nvm as usual I am late to the party and someone already posted about this. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by StormingTexan

[teknopathetic he/him]

1 hour ago, StormingTexan said:

All the speculation on this and it was debunked in the TLM Spoiler Stream 

Edit: Nvm as usual I am late to the party and someone already posted about this. 

Not debunked 100%. Brandon did not say they weren't Skybreakers. He said no one had gotten their spren off. Maybe they are Voidbinding Skybreakers or something like that. Whatever it is, it is weird. 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

11 hours ago, StormingTexan said:

All the speculation on this and it was debunked in the TLM Spoiler Stream 

Edit: Nvm as usual I am late to the party and someone already posted about this. 

Brandon was oddly specific. He said that safe for Hoid nobody with a bond to a Spren got off Roshar with his powers intact. That leaves two loopholes

• unbonded Spren
• breaking your powers by leaving

(Secret Project #4)

Spoiler

I would conclude from that that by this time Sigzil has already left Roshar and started jaunting through the Cosmere.

I must also note that an unbonded Spren for some reason leaving Roshar's astral has a much greater incentive to bond. There are no Spren cities on other astrals. You'd be at best an exile among aliens. At worst you'd sit alone on bare rock.

What we saw from Scadrial's astral in Secret History was essentially a desolate wasteland. Granted, 347 years is a long time, but still whoever lives in the presumptive trade posts that must exist for canned food to go over the mists replacing land, it won't be Rosharan Spren.

[Shacharma]

On 11/30/2022 at 6:19 PM, teknopathetic said:

Well, it is the Stormlight leaking out that makes Radiants glow. If the radiants were using a different investiture to make themselves fly, then they likely wouldn't glow. Heck, maybe they are using Lifelight or Voidlight? Maybe things have change and those sources are easier to get off world. Or maybe they had a splash of Purified Dor? 

There was a recent WOB clarifying that they were not stormbreakers, and that at that timepoint Hoid is the only Nahel bond holder to succeed in leaving the Roshar system

[teknopathetic he/him]

3 hours ago, Shacharma said:

There was a recent WOB clarifying that they were not stormbreakers, and that at that timepoint Hoid is the only Nahel bond holder to succeed in leaving the Roshar system

Sort of. He said no one had gotten their spren off Roshar. It is still possible the Skybreakers have hacked the magic system in some way to no longer need the spren around or are Voidbinding Skybreakers or something. 

I agree the wob makes it less likely, but Brandon did not say the group were not Skybreakers. A lot is and can change on Roshar. And heck, we all though Shai couldnt Soulstamp offworld or Soulstamp a new magicsystem, but here we are! Maybe peopel have figured out how to do the old surges from Ashyn ad this group considers themselves culturally still Skybreajers? A lot is possible.