Void plate?

[bmcclure7]

After Amaram’s bonds a unmade amethysts starts growing out of is body covering him  and acting like some form of protection.

 Could this be the void equivalent to shared plate?  In rhythm of war it's mentioned That void Spren   Do not become fabrils,  It's highly likely then that they don't become plate or blades either as this seems to be a similar mechanic. 

 

If there will be or has been at some time 10 orders of void binding, as The void binding chart implies,  Could this be what they substitute for plate and maybe blade as well?

 

[That1Cellist he/him]

38 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said:

After Amaram’s bonds a unmade amethysts starts growing out of is body covering him  and acting like some form of protection.

 Could this be the void equivalent to shared plate?  In rhythm of war it's mentioned That void Spren   Do not become fabrils,  It's highly likely then that they don't become plate or blades either as this seems to be a similar mechanic. 

 

If there will be or has been at some time 10 orders of void binding, as The void binding chart implies,  Could this be what they substitute for plate and maybe blade as well?

 

Amaram was under the influence of an Unmade, Yelig-nar. You should read the coppermind article about it. 

Edited September 25, 2022 by That1Cellist

[bmcclure7]

Just now, That1Cellist said:

Amaram was under the influence of an Unmade, Yelig-nar. You should read the coppermind article about it. 

 Yes exactly that's why I think this could be connected to voidbinding. 

[That1Cellist he/him]

Just now, bmcclure7 said:

 Yes exactly that's why I think this could be connected to voidbinding. 

I mean, probably? We don't really know that much about how Voidbinding works, so it's safe to assume the Unmade are somehow related.

[Rabbit Unmade she/her]

19 minutes ago, That1Cellist said:

I mean, probably? We don't really know that much about how Voidbinding works, so it's safe to assume the Unmade are somehow related.

I thought Yelig–Nar was corrupting Amaram so he became really weird and creepy. Also, if that was voidplate, wouldn‘t he have a voidblade? Wouldn‘t he have to swear ideals? I‘m pretty sure it was just a creepy side effect.

[That1Cellist he/him]

1 minute ago, Rabbit Unmade said:

I thought Yelig–Nar was corrupting Amaram so he became really weird and creepy. Also, if that was voidplate, wouldn‘t he have a voidblade? Wouldn‘t he have to swear ideals? I‘m pretty sure it was just a creepy side effect.

Voidbinding is separate from Surgebinding, in way we do not know. The changes you see happening to Amaram are a result of him ingesting the gemstone thing of Yelig-nar.

[Rabbit Unmade she/her]

2 minutes ago, That1Cellist said:

Voidbinding is separate from Surgebinding, in way we do not know. The changes you see happening to Amaram are a result of him ingesting the gemstone thing of Yelig-nar.

Yeah. That‘s what I meant.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Rabbit Unmade

[bmcclure7]

26 minutes ago, Rabbit Unmade said:

I thought Yelig–Nar was corrupting Amaram so he became really weird and creepy. Also, if that was voidplate, wouldn‘t he have a voidblade? Wouldn‘t he have to swear ideals? I‘m pretty sure it was just a creepy side effect.

We have no reason to believe that voidbinder need to swear ideals even the original surgebinders didn't.  

[bmcclure7]

26 minutes ago, That1Cellist said:

Voidbinding is separate from Surgebinding, in way we do not know. The changes you see happening to Amaram are a result of him ingesting the gemstone thing of Yelig-nar.

The chart suggests that they are very similar. 

[Rabbit Unmade she/her]

Just now, bmcclure7 said:

We have no reason to believe that voidbinder need to swear ideals even the original surgebinders didn't.  

I agree with the Cellist it was simply a side effect of eating the gem with Yelig–Nar in it.

[bmcclure7]

3 minutes ago, Rabbit Unmade said:

I agree with the Cellist it was simply a side effect of eating the gem with Yelig–Nar in it.

But we know he swallowed the gem to bond the unmade so I don't see how that changes anything.  

[Rabbit Unmade she/her]

Just now, bmcclure7 said:

But we know he swallowed the gem to bond the unmade so I don't see how that changes anything.  

I guess you‘re right. But we know very little about voidbinding so I don‘t feel safe saying Amaram was voidbinding.

[bmcclure7]

8 minutes ago, Rabbit Unmade said:

I guess you‘re right. But we know very little about voidbinding so I don‘t feel safe saying Amaram was voidbinding.

Fair point 

[Treamayne]

7 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

But we know he swallowed the gem to bond the unmade so I don't see how that changes anything.  

It changes things because Yelig–Nar grants access to Surgebinding (all surges - with the possible exception of Adhesion) as mentioned in the OB Ch 95 Epigraph (possibly modified by the RoW discussion that Odium's forces don't have access to "Honor's Truest Surge").

Surgebinging =/= Voidbinding, but the Amethyst growing from Amaram in that scene is very reminiscent of the way the Magnified Ones use the Surge of Progression. Since a bonded human would not have a Carapace to use in this fashion, I think the crystal growth serves a similar function (but that's just a guess).

Edited September 26, 2022 by Treamayne
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[SpinningSky he/him]

My guess was that the carapace growing out of Amaram was comparable to how Singers grow armor with certain aspects, I would expect Yelig-Nar to think of its host as a Listener rather than human, given he inhabits them via a gemheart, if that makes sense.
This instinct towards acquiring a "stronger aspect" could be enabled by Progression as Tremayne suggested.

But if it is indeed tied to corrupted spren and unmade, I don't see it likely that you can easily get the proper "cousin spren" to make the plate like for Kaladin, I'd expect the different set of powers to handle defence differently

 

[Mr. Misting he/him]

I like Treamayne's idea, it makes sense for Amaram's crystal stuff to be linked to progression.

Also I don't think Voidbinders would even necessary have Shardblades and Plates. Those are related to the knight radiants and their relationship with spren in the physical realm, not to surgebinding in general. At this point I don't think Voidbinders will be an Odium parallel of the Knight Radiants.

[Rg2045]

Yelig-Nar originally being singer origin I like for the cristal coming out. 
we know that the unmade are related to voidbinding in some compacity so instead of looking at the surges we can look at the abilities. That is, after eating a gem the “soul” of the person seems to be used to do all 10 surges. But if you don’t control it properly it will consume the soul completely. 
so perhaps we are seeing a form of voidbinding that mimics surgebinding and uses a different power source. 
im using Renarins visions for reference as it seems they get tired after seeing them 

[bmcclure7]

7 hours ago, Mr. Misting said:

I like Treamayne's idea, it makes sense for Amaram's crystal stuff to be linked to progression.

Also I don't think Voidbinders would even necessary have Shardblades and Plates. Those are related to the knight radiants and their relationship with spren in the physical realm, not to surgebinding in general. At this point I don't think Voidbinders will be an Odium parallel of the Knight Radiants.

 The chart suggests otherwise

[Mr. Misting he/him]

1 hour ago, bmcclure7 said:

 The chart suggests otherwise

Yes but I doubt there are ten different types of spren that give the voidbinders Shardblade and Plate (unless of course they are on Braize and Asyn). I think the voidbinders might have similarities to the Knight Radiants but not in the fact that they get spren. I think it will more be about the connection to the individual and Fused/Odium, and if that is the case probably no cool Shards.

[bmcclure7]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Misting said:

Yes but I doubt there are ten different types of spren that give the voidbinders Shardblade and Plate (unless of course they are on Braize and Asyn). I think the voidbinders might have similarities to the Knight Radiants but not in the fact that they get spren. I think it will more be about the connection to the individual and Fused/Odium, and if that is the case probably no cool Shards.

 It's at least possible,  At the moment it appears that voidbinding  Mainly comes from the unmade.   But there's no reason to believe that voidspren Couldn't figure out how to form bonds that gives someone voidbinding.   That said it doesn't seem from what is spoken of in RoW  Like the voidspren  Would be Willing  To become a blade. 

 

Personally I think it likely no very likely,  That the 10 void binding orders will have 10 void Spren  With Bio da mishram  Acting as the version of the storm father.   The chart clearly makes it seem like Each order has its a void equivalent,  So why not  Each high Spren have their own void Spren equivalent?  We already know that there are intelligent void spen  And at least 2 different types. So I don't see why you think this is so far fetched?