Quick Fix Game 62: He Who Arises In Might

[Mat he/him]

25 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Really? I felt like I was pretty standard activity levels for me. 

Being under the radar is more than activity levels being low, at least I think so. It has more to do with other people and their perception of you, and whether they're saying anything about you. Being lower active makes that more likely but you sometimes have games where you're as active as you have been this game, but also the main topic of conversation, and that's not flying under the radar.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

7 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Being under the radar is more than activity levels being low, at least I think so. It has more to do with other people and their perception of you, and whether they're saying anything about you. Being lower active makes that more likely but you sometimes have games where you're as active as you have been this game, but also the main topic of conversation, and that's not flying under the radar.

But, also, quite a few people where talking about me, you were based a read of Araris off of his read of me. Still not sure I came off that way.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

No more detours. Mat. Same reasons + Danex vote. Why did the main elim suspect get a fell sword?

[Mat he/him]

I don't think I'm the main suspect. No one's made an elim read of me, at least, just fallible mech stuff. Mech is helpful to a point, but if there's no behavior reads to back it up it's probably not a good idea. And if you do have a behavior read, that'd be good to know  

Dannex vote as in my 'it's too quiet' vote last turn? I ended on you.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

6 hours ago, Kasimir said:

@Fifth Scholar are you sure you remembered to put Melkor in this game .__.

I’ve checked with Mandos, and he’s not trapped in his dungeons anymore, so yeah, sorry, he’s still around  

Five and a half hours, people! 

[Mat he/him]

I actually won’t be on for rollover today— work— so I’ll vote Devo now so I can respond to things if I need to. Basically this just boils down to Devo fitting into most of the possible teams I can think of (or at least more than everyone else) plus some playstyle points from earlier and some other things— I think this makes the most sense. I’ll be here like ninety minutes before rollover for the last time to consolidate if I need to.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Mat, voting first Dannex and now Devo feels like he's trying to avoid narrowing the no actions pool down, since I'm almost certainly a Sailor, he can't kill Shining or he'll be first up to die if they flip green.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

4 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I don't think I'm the main suspect. No one's made an elim read of me, at least, just fallible mech stuff. Mech is helpful to a point, but if there's no behavior reads to back it up it's probably not a good idea. And if you do have a behavior read, that'd be good to know  

Dannex vote as in my 'it's too quiet' vote last turn? I ended on you.

It does hurt to die for mech but that's just how it is sometimes. + killing Araris for an easily falsifiable reason + defending TUN because you know you'll be next. Someone should confirm getting a shield though. I don't think Danex or Archer had one but I'm not sure.

[Mat he/him]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Mat, voting first Dannex and now Devo feels like he's trying to avoid narrowing the no actions pool down, since I'm almost certainly a Sailor, he can't kill Shining or he'll be first up to die if they flip green.

I don’t get why my Dannex vote is getting any attention whatsoever xD Feels like a scapegoat piece of evidence to use but whatever

‘Almost certainly’ is a strong descriptor when a shield (which we haven’t seen  anyone start with all game, which I find somewhat unlikely) easily explains it.

25 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

It does hurt to die for mech but that's just how it is sometimes. + killing Araris for an easily falsifiable reason + defending TUN because you know you'll be next. Someone should confirm getting a shield though. I don't think Danex or Archer had one but I'm not sure.

If you’re saying my reason for voting Araris was my crack theory I don’t even know what to say at this point.

I’m not defending TUN. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again— my PoE right now is everyone but Kas :P. With you/TUN/Symph as my most likely.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

11 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

If you’re saying my reason for voting Araris was my crack theory I don’t even know what to say at this point.

You acknowledged that it didn't make sense to kill Araris when it was so easy to test his messenger claim and then kept your vote anyway.

[Mat he/him]

6 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

You acknowledged that it didn't make sense to kill Araris when it was so easy to test his messenger claim and then kept your vote anyway.

I acknowledged that was a hole in the crack theory, not a hole in e!Araris in general, and was in the middle of a tunnel :P. Besides, we still have no evidence Melkor doesn’t have a double role, and all the Dannex paranoia was built around that.

[Kasimir he/him]

6 hours ago, The Unknown Novel said:

Really? I felt like I was pretty standard activity levels for me. 

I wasn't present for the time when you all decided to kill me, so I never felt in danger, and when I'm not in danger I could care less what I do.

Yeah, well, it was a joy to watch, thank you

Shining

Mat

I've slept on it. Still not willing to let it go.

JNV still reads Village to me, and I'm still more willing to lean Village on Devo. If I'm wrong about her and she plays me, so be it, best effort basis, but this situation doesn't make sense. Mat's tone is off and I've thought about it, and I think what I can't articulate is a combination of TJ's principle and the fact that there's a consistent undercurrent of "you have to have a solid, zero doubt case about me" running through some of his posts, which I take to be a fundamentally more Elim attitude ("I can't be caught like that") than Village.

Edited to add:

26 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I’m not defending TUN. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again— my PoE right now is everyone but Kas :P. With you/TUN/Symph as my most likely.

I am definitely sympathetic at this point to the idea of nuking everyone else and winning it for the Noldor as the sole survivor -.-

Alas, Finwe has no 1337 airstrike powers.

Edited September 8, 2022 by Kasimir

[Mat he/him]

13 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Mat

I've slept on it. Still not willing to let it go.

JNV still reads Village to me, and I'm still more willing to lean Village on Devo. If I'm wrong about her and she plays me, so be it, best effort basis, but this situation doesn't make sense. Mat's tone is off and I've thought about it, and I think what I can't articulate is a combination of TJ's principle and the fact that there's a consistent undercurrent of "you have to have a solid, zero doubt case about me" running through some of his posts, which I take to be a fundamentally more Elim attitude ("I can't be caught like that") than Village.

What’s ‘it’? Probably could go back and check but eh

TJ’s principle? I don’t remember these things  And I’m sorry if that’s the tone you get from me— it’s just that I feel the majority of the votes cast towards me are because of mech and that’s frustrating since I legitimately have nothing to say in defense of that :P. Devo’s right though, sometimes that’s the way it is.

Edited September 8, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

Hey, just checking in... I've had a crazy(!) day, so I haven't really much time to read through and mull over this thread, but I'll be back before rollover.

16 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Shining claimed Noble and it showed up in the vote count, backed by you because you did not receive a Jewel, so Shining hadn't bribed you.

Odds of a Noble!Melkor?

I know this coming from me probably isn't too meaningful

But fwiw I think that a Noble!Melkor would be a little overpowered. The ability to break ties in addition to always having a vote removed from them makes it so that in order to be exed they'd have to have two votes more than everyone else. I guess that would explain the removal of the C1 melkor exe immunity, but it doesn't seem that fair to me.

 

[Mat he/him]

19 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

I know this coming from me probably isn't too meaningful

I was going to say >>

[SymphonianBookworm she/her]

I’m so tired… today was my first real day of school. Alas. 
Sorry, that’s why I haven’t been active. … What are the reasons people are suspicious of me again?

Also, I’m going to vote Matrim’s Dice because at this point I trust Kas and TUN. That’s pretty much it. My gut tells me it’s not Silhouette, so for me it’s between Matrim and Devo. And I gave Matrim a powerful weapon (my fault, I know) but now that I think about it, in the wrong hands, it could do a lot of damage. I’m sorry. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by SymphonianBookworm

[Mat he/him]

Last post for me, unless I somehow survive. Not much to say, good luck in lylo I guess  

[JNV]

18 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Shining claimed Noble and it showed up in the vote count, backed by you because you did not receive a Jewel, so Shining hadn't bribed you.

Odds of a Noble!Melkor?

....dont know how I missed that but ok 

I dont think I can believe in it even though I kind of want to if that makes sense like its too much 

11 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Son of Feanor, at your service. Nothing else, but I do have the Fell Sword. Probably too close to endgame to risk killing someone with it but at least I can testify Bookworm didn't kill last night. Elim kill, I mean :P.

I mean considering youre up on the chopping block if youre good killing someone in the pool might help in numbers if not in time and if youre evil youd want to get that kill off anyway but could you possibly heir it to me so a son of feanor can make use of it post mortem

But Im voting you now so you dont have to listen to me Matrim

It really comes down to pseudoconfirmed Finwe Kasimir basically confirmed Feanor Symphonium honestly probably not Noble Melkor Shining plus I cant see evil Devotary taking on a fancy tone in C1 and dropping it immediately C2 upon conversion or just as Melkor so if you want to take out The Unknown Novel or Devotary on your way out to save us agonizing confusion and vote manipualtion to tie to loss risk thats up to you

I have a lot of school work tonight so ping me if you need me cause I wont be watching the page

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

Last post for me, unless I somehow survive. Not much to say, good luck in lylo I guess  

So, question for you.

Suppose you are Village. Are you planning to smite your biggest suspicion with a Fell Sword?

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

What’s ‘it’? Probably could go back and check but eh

Just the fact that before I headed off to OT and sleep, I genuinely could not understand why despite your posts, I'm struggling to purely read you as Village, I suppose.

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

TJ’s principle? I don’t remember these things  And I’m sorry if that’s the tone you get from me— it’s just that I feel the majority of the votes cast towards me are because of mech and that’s frustrating since I legitimately have nothing to say in defense of that :P. Devo’s right though, sometimes that’s the way it is.

It's the one about how it is in itself suspicious if you don't have a pure read that falls one way or the other towards a player nearer to endgame. That the best Elims are the best at seeming Village until you look at what they've done and then ask yourself what makes you consider them Village. Devo's defense of Danex was sensible, and it was the one point that kept getting ignored in favour of FUD. I did try to entertain E!Danex worlds but most of them involved E!you or E!Devo. 

TUN is likely more an apathy clear, but I also just read his first post this cycle as being fairly Village. I simply can't get that off you, not even off your progression explanation, and if you're Village, I'm sorry for it, but at this point, I'm just going to vote where my instincts go because I've had it with running in circles over Danex conspiracy theories as happened last cycle.

1 hour ago, Shining Silhouette said:

But fwiw I think that a Noble!Melkor would be a little overpowered. The ability to break ties in addition to always having a vote removed from them makes it so that in order to be exed they'd have to have two votes more than everyone else. I guess that would explain the removal of the C1 melkor exe immunity, but it doesn't seem that fair to me.

In theory balanced with Silmarils and a Village Orator, I suppose. But I'm not sure.

Reasonably, I think Melkor is likely between <Mat, Devo.>

In terms of where I feel I am maybe willing to vote, it would be between <Mat, Shining.>

FYI that since Devo has not fully said it: Devo phrased her Mat over TUN inclination last cycle as being nakedly based over a read of Mat being aggressively neutral and TUN being more or less low-key thought Village by most. 

[SymphonianBookworm she/her]

Okay, I’m going to action-block Devo, just in case. 

[Kasimir he/him]

27 minutes ago, SymphonianBookworm said:

Okay, I’m going to action-block Devo, just in case. 

Thank you.

Oh, and @Devotary of Spontaneity I received a shield. Dunno if that was Archer's, but there you go. If so, I think that's fairly good reason to think JNV didn't put in a kill last cycle. Dannex's sword should've gone somewhere though. IDK what happened to it.

Edited to add:

@SymphonianBookworm - Would suggest giving someone you trust a Fell Sword to actionblock. Both JNV and Devo are Sons of Feanor, and if action blocking Devo doesn't stop the Cprrupted kill, you should be fine if she has one. Alternatively, if you don't mind using two Fell Swords, that's another alternative.

I don't expect to be long for this world - the major threats are down, and killing me releases the Silmarils closer to endgame, which will be a Mess and a Half.

Edited to add 2:

Oh, wonderful, quiet EoC, the one thing everyone distrusts.

Edited September 9, 2022 by Kasimir

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

9 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

In theory balanced with Silmarils and a Village Orator, I suppose. But I'm not sure.

If you add jewels to the mix though that's three votes needed to complete the exe. Especially since you haven't died and so your heir hasn't gotten the Silmarils. Just saying

Okay, now to voting. Well, seeing as everyone (I think?) is voting for Mat, I don't really have much to say here. Might as well try to do some analysis though.

 

This might come as a shock to people, but I'm still vil reading Mat. He was my Warder in the WoT game we played and our interactions this game have felt clean; I'm getting the same energy from that other game- and early on, before all the roleclaims, he gave me good vibes when we theorized together about roles. Vil lean

I've thought a lot about my Devo vote. I liked how she didn't react to my vote with a whole explanation of why she was innocent, and how she's kind of keeping it more carefree. I'm still really paranoid because Devo makes absolutely no sense to me, but after reading all of her posts again, they seem streamlined and cohesive. So more of a neutral at this point, cause I'm not sure what to do with her.

For me, Bookworm reads really earnest and like she's doing best. I can't see her being Melkor, and I really don't see her as a corrupted. Vil lean

JNV, I see as shrewd. At first I thought it was malicious, but now I'm reading it more as analytical and helpful for the village. If the tone is an act that I thought it was earlier, it's consistent. Slight vil lean

Kas, obviously Vil. Established.

So then, TUN, by process of elimination, is Melkor I think. Shields are common, and a 40% chance isn't bad. If he somehow convinced another villager to shield for him, that's up to 64% I think. Not too hard to fake. I think it isn't hard to claim Sailor when you have a shield.

So in summary

 

Kas

Mat, Bookworm

JNV

Devo

TUN

[Kasimir he/him]

57 minutes ago, SymphonianBookworm said:

Also, I’m going to vote Matrim’s Dice because at this point I trust Kas and TUN. That’s pretty much it. My gut tells me it’s not Silhouette, so for me it’s between Matrim and Devo. And I gave Matrim a powerful weapon (my fault, I know) but now that I think about it, in the wrong hands, it could do a lot of damage. I’m sorry. 

He could be Village. I'm not dead sold he's Evil. I just can't really see the others as Evil right now so it's my current read. My resident theory is still that you're deliberately being left as a IKYN but even in that world, someone else had to be putting in the kills.

And even if he's Evil, it happens you know? Is the name of this game, don't sweat it.

5 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

This might come as a shock to people, but I'm still vil reading Mat. He was my Warder in the WoT game we played and our interactions this game have felt clean; I'm getting the same energy from that other game- and early on, before all the roleclaims, he gave me good vibes when we theorized together about roles. Vil lean

I respect this read, although I have to admit I question the timing

It is extremely possible that I am simply not capable of pure Village reading Mat anymore ever since MR53.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

cycle closed! Results in a bit.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

I respect this read, although I have to admit I question the timing

Pretty much since the beginning I've had a slight vil lean on him. Time to test it.