Making a Forgery Permanent

[Trusk'our]

When you use a Forgery on someone, you overlay their Spiritweb, causing temporary changes to their being. However, we know from a Wob that you can Hemalurgically take the overlay.

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Questioner

If you Stamp yourself, to have another, overwritten spiritweb, and you get Spiked-- *laughter* What would happen?

Brandon Sanderson

We actually worked this out. *laughter*

Questioner

Well, you'd die, or very close to it, but would it revert when the Stamp reverts?

Brandon Sanderson

So what’s probably going to happen here is that you’re going to rip off the Investiture you’ve put on your soul, and your own soul will have less damage. Now, the spike is only gonna get the-- the spike, you're like "What will it do?" It will do what you've been overwritten with, but again remember, becoming an Allomancer takes so much energy, and things like-- But it is theoretically possible in the cosmere to rewrite yourself "You're an allomancer", someone spikes you to get this. The Investiture doesn't care that it was fake on you, you have managed to get that Investiture to work. Uhh, this is really tough. And really, like, you need Connection, and you need, like, the right kind of Investiture, but then it rips off and yes you have made a spike that makes you an Allomancer, even though the person was a Forger. So yes, okay? But this is the kind of stuff that is like the thought experiments for physicists in the cosmere as opposed to, y'know--

And then, if you were to Allomanticlly burn the spike, it would splice the changes into your Spiritweb rather than just overlaying them, making them permanent.

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Maru Nui

What happens when you burn a Hemalurgic spike?

Brandon Sanderson

Burning a Hemalurgic spike would have the effect of splicing your spiritual DNA to that of the person's that is in the spike, which would have some very strange consequences.

If you want to take it a step further, you could stamp and spike yourself multiple times, then either burn the spikes individually or smelt them into a single spike and then burn them to possibly get an enhanced result that would normally require more Investiture to create, such as turning yourself into an Allomancer.

This is only a theory, obviously, but I think that there is enough evidence that it should be possible.

[EmulatonStromenkiin]

You'd have to figure out the non-lethal way of spiking, though. Preferably one that does not leave you a twisted mess. I'm thinking those chimeras in SoS had one spike in, but were nonlethaly spiked to remove some stuff. you don't want to end up like that.

[mathiau]

1 hour ago, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

You'd have to figure out the non-lethal way of spiking, though. Preferably one that does not leave you a twisted mess. I'm thinking those chimeras in SoS had one spike in, but were nonlethaly spiked to remove some stuff. you don't want to end up like that.

Just use some C-gold

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Kurkistan

Could Miles heal back his Allomancy if it was spiked out of him?

Brandon Sanderson

No, he could not. He would no longer be an Allomancer. Also, he'd probably be dead.

Kurkistan

Thanks!

I'd thought maybe he could just do some super-tapping from his existing Health in his goldminds (since he'd still have his Feruchemy)...

Brandon Sanderson

Oh, I see what you're asking. Using Feruchemy to heal the removed portion of soul. That's actually plausible, not so different from healing other kinds of soul-wounds. If he survived, then yes, this actually might work. (That's why I get for reading the questions so quickly.)

Goodreads: Ask the Author Q&A (Aug. 13, 2014)

[Duxredux]

Well... an easy and terrible solution to making permanent Forgery spikes for yourself is to craft a soul stamp to grant yourself Allomancy, then find a close associate and stamp them and spike them in the time before the stamp decays. Similar to how Shai used Gaotona as a reference for Ashravan, people near you will accept the stamp for a short time because of the familiarity of your soul if enough of the stamp's history is accurate to yourself, and you only need a few seconds to do the deed. Take the spike, use the same stamp to make yourself into an Allomancer, then burn the spike, grafting the forged version of your own soul to your soul.

Caution, if you undertake this course no one will want to be your friend.

[teknopathetic]

I wonder if a Gold Misting would be able to make a stamp that is "correct" so to speak. Gold seems to show you a Gold-shadow that somehow "exists", so if a Forger were to create that perfectly, what would happen? 

 

And the Gold Shadow is even weirder. A stamped person would have a different Gold Shadow
 

Dirigible (paraphrased)

If Shai had a gold shadow, and she used one of her Essence Stamps, would her gold shadow change to reflect her new self?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes, because she is changing her soul so the gold shadow changes.

Edited May 26, 2022 by teknopathetic

[Onironte]

I think that's the best question I've read in a long time.

I have tree teories about this:

 1.- The first alteration will be nullified when entering your Spiritweb the second.

 2.- Hemalurgy will have preference in terms of Investiture (use that Ruin gives it) and Forgery will have preference in terms of Connection and Identity.

 3.- Your Spiritweb will be forked.

Another variable to keep in mind is that Forgery needs a partial knowledge of the subject, so either you are Hoid or similar, or you will never be able to understand something as complex as Allomancy.