jjreeder Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Whilst pondering who Hoid could be, and what his place in the Cosmere might be, other than being a wanderer and researcher, I came upon an interesting thought that I'm sure has been thought of before, but I wanted to see what everyone else thinks about it. Did Hoid Shatter Adonalsium? Hoid always has been a secretive fellow, popping up at seemingly random moments in the Cosmere, and somehow knowledgeable of facts that even the people of the same world do not know. He was even said to have been offered a Shard after the Shattering. But could he be the villain of the Cosmere, the one no one saw coming, yet was in opposition to and powerful enough to destroy Adonalsium. It sounds ridiculous at first glance, but then, you never can tell with Hoid. Here are my thoughts on the matter... 1. Hoid has been seen gaining one or more spren on Roshar, which could possibly mean he is trying to gain power. 2. He is involved with not just one or two worlds, as some Worldhoppers are, but is involved in pretty much EVERY one. Could he be keeping track of the Cosmere in order to know what he was dealing with if/when he rose back to power? 3. How could he know so much about all of the magic systems, sometimes even aware of things inhabitants of the involved world don't know, and he sometimes mentions the Shards as if he knows them like friends. Is there a reason for this? Anyhow, I just wanted to se what you guys thought, as it was an idea I'd long pondered but finally wanted to put some evidence together just to se what you guys thought. Crush my theory. PLEASE!!! I really don't want Hoid to be evil!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, jjreeder said: 1. Hoid has been seen gaining one or more spren on Roshar, which could possibly mean he is trying to gain power. He's trying to collect Investiture of all kinds, not just powerful ones, just all of them. 39 minutes ago, jjreeder said: 2. He is involved with not just one or two worlds, as some Worldhoppers are, but is involved in pretty much EVERY one. Could he be keeping track of the Cosmere in order to know what he was dealing with if/when he rose back to power? That's just what he does in his quest to collect/access all the Investiture systems. He goes places, does things, guided by Fortune. 40 minutes ago, jjreeder said: 3. How could he know so much about all of the magic systems, sometimes even aware of things inhabitants of the involved world don't know, and he sometimes mentions the Shards as if he knows them like friends. Is there a reason for this? He's the second-oldest being in the cosmere. He's older than the Shards, saw the Shattering, was friends with several of them (Tanavast bought him a drink or two once). Hoid was even offered a Shard, but declined. In short, he didn't do it, but he was aware it was going to happen and couldn't/didn't stop it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) Hoid was present at the Shattering, he thought it was kinda necessary, and he was offered a Shard. Plus his immortality is due to the remnants of the weapon used to Shatter Adonalsium. So he was certainly involved. But the Shattering wasn't by one person, so he's not the one who Shattered Adonalsium, but he was certainly resent and at least partially involved. Supplementary WoBs: Quote Zas678 (paraphrased) How about a confirmation one? We have a secondhand report from Miyabi actually, that says that Hoid was at the Shattering of Adonalsium. Was he there? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes he was. Writing for Charity Conference (March 17, 2012) Quote Wyndlerunner You said that Hoid knows all sixteen of the original Vessels. Was he ever involved in their little, "We're going to Shatter Adonalsium," thing? Brandon Sanderson Involved? Under loose definitions, yes. Legion Release Party (Sept. 19, 2018) Quote Questioner Did Hoid think of the Shattering as necessary? Brandon Sanderson *pause* Kind of. Oathbringer London signing (Nov. 28, 2017) Quote The Only Joe (paraphrased) Was Hoid offered one of the Shards we know about? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You know, I can't remember which Shards I've shown you, Wait, no I haven't shown you that one. Firefight Portland signing (Jan. 16, 2015) Quote Valhalla So, you talked about a weapon made by the enemies of Adonalsium, and you said it doesn't exist in it's original form. Do any remnants of it still exist in the Physical Realm? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Valhalla Have we seen any of those remnants on-screen? Brandon Sanderson *pause* RAFO. In current continuity (and people would know this), Hoid's immortality comes from this. People who have read Dragonsteel know that. Idaho Falls signing (July 21, 2018) Edited June 7, 2019 by RShara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 I believe that Hoid was a member of the diverse group of beings who implemented the shattering. He was even offered one of the shards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, RShara said: Plus his immortality is due to the remnants of the weapon used to Shatter Adonalsium. That is not a detail I have heard before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, ZenBossanova said: That is not a detail I have heard before. Oops, I left that one out. Quote Valhalla So, you talked about a weapon made by the enemies of Adonalsium, and you said it doesn't exist in it's original form. Do any remnants of it still exist in the Physical Realm? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Valhalla Have we seen any of those remnants on-screen? Brandon Sanderson *pause* RAFO. In current continuity (and people would know this), Hoid's immortality comes from this. People who have read Dragonsteel know that. Idaho Falls signing (July 21, 2018) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Now that is interesting! I still wonder if Frost wasn't involved in both of these things. Dragonsteel perhaps? Just have to wait and see, I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjreeder Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Obviously, I'm not well read in the deeper components of the Cosmere. Does anyone know why he's doing all these things? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, jjreeder said: Obviously, I'm not well read in the deeper components of the Cosmere. Does anyone know why he's doing all these things? Theories abound, but we don't concretely know and won't until Dragonsteel releases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wander89 Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 On 07/06/2019 at 2:59 AM, jjreeder said: 1. Hoid has been seen gaining one or more spren on Roshar, which could possibly mean he is trying to gain power. 2. He is involved with not just one or two worlds, as some Worldhoppers are, but is involved in pretty much EVERY one. Could he be keeping track of the Cosmere in order to know what he was dealing with if/when he rose back to power? 3. How could he know so much about all of the magic systems, sometimes even aware of things inhabitants of the involved world don't know, and he sometimes mentions the Shards as if he knows them like friends. Is there a reason for this? I think these are all answered with the same vague response: RAFO. He has a plan that concerns uniting all the magic systems and visiting the individual planets. I've always imagined his conversing with certain individuals akin to Jacob from Lost in that every interaction is not a coincidence and is instead part of a larger plan that we are unaware of at the time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use the Falchion Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Wander89 said: I think these are all answered with the same vague response: RAFO. He has a plan that concerns uniting all the magic systems and visiting the individual planets. I've always imagined his conversing with certain individuals akin to Jacob from Lost in that every interaction is not a coincidence and is instead part of a larger plan that we are unaware of at the time. In the short story The Traveler, wasn't it alluded to that he's trying to bring someone back from the Beyond or something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Use the Falchion said: In the short story The Traveler, wasn't it alluded to that he's trying to bring someone back from the Beyond or something like that? Yep, that's the theory I've been expounding, at least. I should probably finally make a topic on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wander89 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 8 hours ago, Use the Falchion said: In the short story The Traveler, wasn't it alluded to that he's trying to bring someone back from the Beyond or something like that? But why take the Investiture? None of those have been able to bring people back from the dead, have they? I mean, I know there are those that have came back however it's not necessarily the magic systems that do those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 35 minutes ago, Wander89 said: But why take the Investiture? None of those have been able to bring people back from the dead, have they? I mean, I know there are those that have came back however it's not necessarily the magic systems that do those. Well we have no idea what is involved in his theory of how to bring someone back from the Beyond. It might involve Connections to every planet, or a certain baseline of investiture, or he needs them in order to get what he actually needs, or he just really likes to have a variety of powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wander89 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 10 hours ago, RShara said: Well we have no idea what is involved in his theory of how to bring someone back from the Beyond. It might involve Connections to every planet, or a certain baseline of investiture, or he needs them in order to get what he actually needs, or he just really likes to have a variety of powers. Yeah, we definitely have to know more but I'm totally on for the fact that Hoid wants to become some Connection powerhouse machine to fight the enemies of the Cosmere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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