The Rooster Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Chapter 43 has Hoid in the header and i can't figure out who he is or if he's just someone they mention in this chapter. The only person I can think he'd be is the guard who lets Shallan down into the secret basements, but he would need to be well disguised if that's him. Has anyone figured this out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 No, there has been speculation that it might have been one of his hideouts, because there were numerous objects from different worlds there, but no one really knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rooster Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 No, there has been speculation that it might have been one of his hideouts, because there were numerous objects from different worlds there, but no one really knows. I just figured those object suggested that Mraise was a Worldhopper. Maybe one of his objects was Hoids' originally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natans Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Mraise habit of using he "local weapons" his trophies and overall way that acts he indicated him as a Worldhopper =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrina Stormshard Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Woah woah - I missed the 'objects from different worlds' recap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlain Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 "Other curiosities baffled her. A vial of pale sand. A couple of thick hairpins. A lock of golden hair. The branch of a tree with writing on it she couldn’t read. A silver knife. An odd flower preserved in some kind of solution. There were no plaques to explain these mementos. That chunk of pale pink crystal looked like it might be some kind of gemstone, but why was it so delicate? Bits of it had flaked off in its case, as if simply setting it down had almost crushed it." - Sanderson, Brandon (2014-03-04). Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archive, The) (p. 493). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. In addition, Mraize is a foreign name: “Very well. Amaram is a Shardbearer in the court of Highprince Sadeas. He is also my current prey.” Hearing it spoken like that sent a shiver through Shallan. “And what do you wish of me, Mraize ?” She tried, but didn’t get the pronunciation of the title quite right. It wasn’t a Vorin term. Sanderson, Brandon (2014-03-04). Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archive, The) (p. 494). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondMind Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Mraize also refers to the population as the "local species." So he's probably a worldhopper even if he has nothing to do with H.oid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrina Stormshard Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 love love LOVE it. Also: Mraize / Braize ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephemera Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I figured Hoid's icon was indicating one of a few things: 1. He is physically present in the chapter, likely in disguise. Possibly the guard, or some other passerby. If he is, I haven't found a convincing occurrence. 2. The icon indicates a world-hopper, likely Mraize. However, we have seen world-hoppers (notably a sword-master) without this icon appearing. 3. The icon appears because Shallan recalls her first meeting with Hoid. After all, Hoid's icon appeared in the Purelake scene in WoK even though he wasn't physically present. However, this icon does not appear every time Hoid is thought of or mentioned (notably the chapter when Rock recounted meeting his god of mischief). 4. Significant use of lightweaving, although Shallan continues to use lightweaving after this without the icon appearing. So... *shrug* Maybe Brandon just wants to troll us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravytrain Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Can someone clarify what you mean by "Hoid was in the header"? I assume you mean the swirly art in the center also found in the lower left corner of the below illustration. How do we know this image indicates Hoid? Apologies for my ignorance in this. I am primarily an audiobook listener although I do buy the ebooks so I can know how names are spelled. http://brandonsanderson.com/beta/wp-content/gallery/stormlight-2-maps-and-illustrations-2/WoR_SKETCHBOOK-PATTERN_fmt.jpeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 It does not refer to the depiction of Pattern, those central symbols denote the viewpoint character, what they are referring to is the arch above that. The people depicted in the wedges are the Heralds and Wit (the Masked Man), the figures that appear are thematically relevant to the chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterAhlstrom Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 The people depicted in the wedges are the Heralds and Wit While the wedges are representations that have associations, they are not actually portraits. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardlet Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I am pretty sure though that the masked man indicates a worldhopper rather than just Hoid/Wit specifically. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondMind Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Also, who else do we know that has a half-mask that leaves open the mouth? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravytrain Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 While the wedges are representations that have associations, they are not actually portraits. Thanks Peter. This may be straying too far off topic but how did we know which representations relate to each herald? I see in the wikia wiki they are lined up in the table with descriptions. Here in the coppermind wiki entry for Ishar the same wedge displayed. I don't see those descriptions in the ars arcanum for either novel. Anyone know where that info came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Count Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Altrenatively, a masked man is a common symbol for hidden motives and actions so could just as easily be a representation of Shallan as Veil in that chapter. That said. I think I like the Worldhopper indicator as well. I would bet my own boots to a Horneater princess that either Mraize, the masked woman or both are worldhoppers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardbearer Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Thanks Peter. This may be straying too far off topic but how did we know which representations relate to each herald? I see in the wikia wiki they are lined up in the table with descriptions. Here in the coppermind wiki entry for Ishar the same wedge displayed. I don't see those descriptions in the ars arcanum for either novel. Anyone know where that info came from? On the surgebinding chart the heralds are lined up with the icon that represenst the KR order patroned by said herald. IE Jezrien is in the corner above the Windrunner icon. From there you can just go around the circle going in the order listed in the 10 Essences table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravytrain Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 On the surgebinding chart the heralds are lined up with the icon that represenst the KR order patroned by said herald. IE Jezrien is in the corner above the Windrunner icon. From there you can just go around the circle going in the order listed in the 10 Essences table. Very cool thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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