Mailliw73 he/him Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Wyrm, I don't think anyone has used your argument with Meta as evidence since Cycle 2. You and Joe keep mentioning, but that in and of itself isn't why I'm voting for you. It's they way you phrase things that just throw me. Something about what you say seems off, and so does Phatt and I keep switching between which of you I think is most suspicious.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Wow. This game is probably gonna break my brain. I'll vote for Phattemer because, as he mentioned, I didn't agree with his analysis last cycle as it seemed very flawed in its accusations. My list of names is: Raven, Sir Jerric, and Wyrmhero as these three have, in my opinion, contributed the most so far.
phattemer Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Well, seeing as I had planned to save the lynch target it doesn't really matter if I am lynched. However, once I am shown to be innocent I do hope you will try one of my targets.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) I think the Rebels haven't killed Wyrm because a lot of people think he is a rebel. They think they can get a lynch on him easily enough. That's why I'm voting for Phattemer today. Edit: thanks Phattamer. Rp might come later. Anyone want to send someone.over to Sharkbait so Klenimar can try to hide his actions? Edited August 6, 2015 by The Only Joe
phattemer Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) It's just /color inside the second brackets, Joe. Or they haven't because he IS a rebel. Seriously though, after I am lynched or give up my breath, make sure you test my theory, k? On Vauhsoj or Bort if you don't want to kill Wyrm, at least. Edited August 6, 2015 by phattemer
RavenRadient7 she/her Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 At this point, I'm leaving my vote on phattemer. I doubt I will be on again this cycle, but I might show up at the end of this cycle. I will not be on for the first nine or so hours of the next cycle: family thing, and I won't have access to internet.
phattemer Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I would say again that tomorrow you really should lynch at least one of the three, since, in the words of Shai: "It was a Forgery of tone." I think that I can tell when a post is planned rather than when it is spontaneous, and too many of those there's posts seemed planned.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I'll think about it Phattemer, and look over your analysis some more.
Sir Jerric he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Cycle Four Vote Tally:Phattemer - 5: Raven, Wyrm, Lopen, Joe, JerricJain - 1: BortSir Jerric - 0: -Wyrm-Mailliw - 0: -Jerric-Bort - 0: -Phattemer-Wyrm - 2: Mailliw, PhattemerWhile I'd still like more detailed explanations of what elements of Wyrm's behavior he finds unsettling, I will withdraw my vote on Mailliw for this cycle.I will also add my vote to phattemer. As with all my votes, I'm not completely sold on his guilt, but I find him the least innocent-seeming of the options. And a fifth vote will ensure that the only shenanigan available is someone using their breath to bail him out. I despise bandwagoning. Excuse me while I grump at myself for placing this vote. If Phattemer does prove innocent, I am not sold on that implying Wyrm's guilt. But I am going to be very concerned about all surviving players with significant experience. If the eliminators aren't hitting them, there is a greater and greater chance that one or more are on their team. Whether they are advising their companions not to hit more of the experienced players after the comment was made about Meta's death in Cycle One, or if that many are among the eliminators remains to be seen. But I will be expecting greater discussions among Joe, Wyrm, Alvron, and Maill next cycle. Those last two have both said they should have greater availability for the next few cycles, so I want to read some nice analysis and cross-examinations, okay? 1
phattemer Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) You'll have plenty of time once I'm dead! It isn't really a bandwagon since if you and Lopen changed your votes I would be fine. But also why would I be suspicious? I myself say that if Wyrm is innocent then I ought to be lynched. A 1 for 1 trade would be bad for the eliminators; even if it was for Wyrm. Edited August 6, 2015 by phattemer
Alvron Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Though, we now have two votes on Adamir, but I'm not sure I'm following your reasoning, Alvron. Are you suggesting that it's more likely that the eliminators would want to vote off one of their own, if inactive, than it just being pure luck by the villagers? Remember, we also know that Kipper voted for her, and he was a villager. On top of that, Adamir voted for Shallan first, before anyone else did. It seems a bit too early for it to have been due to him suspecting that his eliminator "friend" was going to be inactive the entire round. The last person to vote for her was me, and I voted for her mostly because she was more inactive than Kipper, who I had initially voted for. Frankly, I'm glad I made the change. At this point, I'm not accusing you or Adamir of anything, I'm just pointing out a few thoughts, especially considering the fact that it would make this a lynch for Adamir, if you or Funweaver don't change your votes, and considering Adamir hasn't been on recently, making him less likely to come in and defend himself. I guess I'm just doing it for him, considering how your argument could also be applied to me I didn't know that there was already a vote on Adamir. I didn't bother going through and check RP names with profile names. Even so I still would've voted for him as he was the first to vote for the inactive eliminator. Voting for an inactive comrade is something they would do on the first round as it means they don't have to justify their vote plus they can easily remove it once that person speaks up without raising suspicion. The fact that they ended up lynching one of their own is a bonus for them as they are now considered (by most) to be above suspicion. Sure they are down one number but they brought themselves some 'trust credit'. Of course I could be completely wrong and no eliminators voted for Shallan but that is a risk we all take when we lynch anyone.
Sir Jerric he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Thank you for that informative post, Alvron. Hopefully you will have the time to catch up on events here. If Adamir doesn't use his Breath tonight, he is most certainly going on the lynch list, since that will cost a lot of 'trust credit', as you put it. Phattemer, while I was rather torn earlier, and still am slightly annoyed at lynching an increasingly active player, your rants are not doing you any favors. You posted right after my giant wall-of-text, giving my name as a protection option and speaking moderately positively about me in your analysis list. Yet in that post, I proposed that the best use of a villager's last hours is to share every possible strategic technique and every reason you have both for and against the other players, to make best use of your upcoming alignment verification. (Now, that there is a funny euphemism for 'lynched by a mob'. ) You have instead chosen to rant and protest about being innocent for almost four hours. This seems like a desperate attempt to stay in the game rather than an effort to boost the villagers chances for victory. I have no desire to change my vote. Sorry. (Innocent or guilty, you are losing the chance to participate in the game. I consider that worthy of an apology.)
phattemer Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Oh, didn't realize I came off that way. While I certainly wouldn't mind not being lynched, and would rather that I wasn't (), my posts were mostly meant to try to get you all to consider what I was saying after my lynch. I would only consider it a death, per se, if I was forgotten as well.
Bort he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) so I suggested Bort since he was more linked to the others. Raven: Yes, Wyrm said I was an eliminator. But where is his evidence? I see none. Also, if I'm wrong about this, then I'd be pretty useless to the village, so if we do decide to hit one of the three and they're innocent, feel free to get me next. People left: Orlok: has been pretty active. Assuming my choices are correct, he'll be taken out in a bit. Probably not this cycle because of the implications for the identity of the Rebels. Bort: Been there, analyzed that. Adamir: about to kill himself. Don't do it, it just takes out another villager. In actives still count for outnumbering purposes. Alvron: I don't think he's been on that much, or if he has then I didn't notice. Jerric: seems to be agreeing with the eliminators. Of course, he is pretty logical about it. Jain: he's been poked a lot, and hasn't been posting much. Vauhsoj: surprisingly inactive. Raven: Has a lot of ties with the Eliminators(the RP with Bort, they keep agreeing with Wyrm). They are a likely target for today's kill, probably to deflect attention. Mailliw:I believe he said he had some RL stuff. Joe: he was on a lot earlier, but not so much now. Lopen: Not on a ton, but enough to read through. Didn't agree with me. (Humph) I'm still not with you, Phatt. You seem to imply I'm connected to Wyrm and Vauhsoj, but I don't see where. Because both Wyrm and I had suspicions about the same person (Orlok)? So did other people, but I don't see you trying to call them Eliminators. And what about Vauhsoj? Ah, that must be the RP posts - I do RP, and he does RP. That's the only possible connection I can think of between us. Well, that and I did poke vote him on cycle one (I still think he should be lynched for inflicting those colours on us by the way). So what about everyone else then? I'm pretty sure other people have done all of these things. What made you accuse me from all that? The second line I left in the quote seems a bit hypocritical. Wyrm gives no evidence for you being an Eliminator. You give no evidence for any of the names you've pointed at either, so why is it worse for Wyrm to do that to you when you don't do that for anyone else? Other than your flawed belief that I'm an Eliminator (not speaking for Wyrm or Vauhsoj), I can't really argue with your analysis on the remaining players, although I do have a question. You said Vauhsoj was 'surprisingly inactive'. Isn't this his first game? How would you know if his levels of inactivity are surprising or not? Is he more active in the Eliminator doc? Also, Jain said he was ill in one of his few posts, so I'm willing to guess that is why he hasn't been on. Unlike some people, I haven't seen him lurking in the thread, so it looks like he really hasn't been on, as opposed to just not posting to try to hide. Edit: Adamir, you wanted names... Bort (obviously), Raven, and Jerric. Edited August 6, 2015 by Bort
Wyrmhero he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) I'm still not with you, Phatt. You seem to imply I'm connected to Wyrm and Vauhsoj, but I don't see where. Because both Wyrm and I had suspicions about the same person (Orlok)? ...Except I never did. I poked him for absenteeism and responded to his comments, but I've never expressed suspicions about him being an Eliminator. I understand if you're getting a little confused with regards to that considering I did put a vote on him, but . And now moving on to another point (never too late to discuss!), a couple of people have said something feels 'off' about me this game, but have never actually said what. If the point of this game is to discuss, why haven't you tried articulating your thoughts so they can be picked apart and examined for evidence? Admittedly, it wouldn't be the first time this has happened to me in a game like this, but it is pretty hard to respond to it when I don't know what I'm not being asked to explain. In any case, today's lynch should at least set some of your minds to rest. Edited August 6, 2015 by Wyrmhero
Bort he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 With the whole 'something's off' argument, sometimes it's difficult to put that kind of thing into words. I know I've tried to do so in previous games, but have just ended up sounding like a moron. As for Orlok, you are right, you did vote for him, which is what I was thinking about at the time I said that.
Wyrmhero he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Even a 'moronic' explanation is useful. At the very least, it might make other people speak up who can put this problem into words.
Bort he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Congrats Ven That's your first lynch in how many games though?
RavenRadient7 she/her Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Wyrm, I've tried to explain why a couple things you've said or done make me feel slightly uneasy, but I'm having trouble narrowing down on anything specific. I know part of it has to do with the fact that I had a theory that the eliminators were trying to kill the best players first, and with this latest death I feel like they skipped you in the pattern. Yet, at the same time, the next person they chose was not the person I thought they might chose next after you (honestly, I thought Jerric was the next biggest threat for the eliminators, not somebody who'd barely been on) so I can't be sure that I'm right in that sense. Beyond that, I think it's partially due to have you outright accused phattemer of being an eliminator, (though I'm also suspicious of him) and, honestly, how I sometimes have trouble following what you're trying to save in your posts. Walls of text have always given me trouble, so sometimes I feel as though you're burying something in your words that I'm missing. Like I've said before, nothing that makes me quite ready to vote for you at the moment, but enough to make me want to keep an eye on you. Also, I had a change in plans for the day, so I should be on more today, assuming I make it through the end of the cycle.
Gamma Fiend he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Author Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) The day dragged on once again as the Returned of Halladren once again found themselves mired in debate and treachery. The lavish luxuries abandoned, servants waiting nervously out of the way, the gods took once again to the court to find the traitors and murderers hidden amongst them. Heavenlypest the Massive had long grown wary of the endless arguments, winding themselves in more circles than an awakened clock, as the tropical sun beat down upon them for hours, he had begun to sweat through his outrageous garments, clad in his colors of dark green and neon brown.Kalad's Phantoms!, he thought, snapping the attention of a nearby servant to fan him, why in the God King's name would we hold these debates out in the literal court, underneath the harsh sun? Sweat stains did not show up well on neon brown. Why should a God ever need to sweat for? Perhaps that was why they had all thought he was guilty. It wasn't long after the sun had reached it's peak in the sky when the court all looked at him. He already knew what came next. He went to take a deep breath, keeping everyone waiting in anticipation, then just closed his mouth and blew a raspberry at them before laughing. He was still laughing when they brought him to the God King's Priests. ** Braveheart, God of War was deeply unsettled by yet another death of an innocent, more divine blood spilled, staining the ground even more, deep, dark red, almost as if in a mocking compliment to one of his colors. He was deeply unsettled by what had become of the courts. He was supposed to be the God of War, and all of the Lifeless commands and pomp and protection that came with his status and title did little to ease his sense of uneasy anticipation that had gripped him for most of the night. He strolled about his palace uneasily, the comforts that were supposed to come with being a god doing little to distract him. He turned about to call for his head priest when a shadow fell across him, causing him to jump in surprise and spin about. It was his high priest, standing in the door way who opened his mouth to say something and stepped forward before collapsing to the ground. In Braveheart's heightened aura, the dark, rich reds and royal purples of his priests robes popped out even more, and then it was he saw the spreading pool of a brighter, more visceral red color leaking from multiple stab wounds. He looked up, speechless, as another shadow entered into the room. All instincts of his past life flooded back into him and he charged the assailant, all fear and doubt abandoned, courage and bravery swelling up inside him. He was the God of War, and he wouldn't die to shadows and cowards in the dark. He was more than surprised when the Rebel simply stepped to the side and tripped him with one foot, following it up with a punch to the back. It was only when he felt the sharp pain, and spreading hotness did he realized he was stabbed instead, his breaths becoming ragged and hurting as he coughed up blood, and he took his last breath as the darkness overcame him. ------------Heavenlypest the Massive was a Returned God! Braveheart, God of War was a Returned God! Day 5 begins! 24hours, same deal, 9AM EST the cycle will end. I might not be able to post the cycle at the turnover, but the cycle will still end at the same time. We shall see. Edited October 26, 2016 by Alvron 7
Adamir he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) I forgot the day was ending that quickly - sorry about that. I would get back into the game, since I think I'll get enough suspicion to be the next lynch, and therefore make the regular Returned waste another day. I've picked someone at random from those lists to save, and sent it in the PM. Edited August 6, 2015 by Adamir
RavenRadient7 she/her Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) Honestly, I have no idea who to vote for at the moment. I am a bit concerned about Wyrm's call out on phattemer, when we now see that he's innocent, but I also remember thinking that he had a point when he submitted the post, so... Frankly, Adamir, I have a feeling that you're going to get lynched, no matter what you've said. This is going to annoy a few people, I think. At this point, I'm not placing my vote on you, but that might change depending on what happens I am worried that we're slowly losing more and more active players to this game so I'm going to try and poke someone who's still in, but I haven't seen much of. As far as I can remember, Orlok wasn't on the last cycle. What's your explanation for why? Edit: Removing Orlok's vote. Or I would, if the color changer would work. So, anyway, Orlok, since I can't get this to change my initial vote. Edited August 6, 2015 by RavenRadient7
Wyrmhero he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) Heavenlypest the Massive was a Returned God! ...Oh Storms Kalad's Phantoms. I guess I was just being a bit self-centered, thinking the Eliminators were trying to get me lynched through phattemer. They must have been very pleased that we started looking at each other like that, doing their work for them. I'm going to have to take a step back and think about this quite a bit. In truth, I'm considering giving up my Breath to someone who might get killed tonight (even if it is out-of-character for Redcross), since I'm so off the mark here and they'll be of more use... Though I guess that this late on, it's dangerous to do that. As I say, I'll have a think and come back to you when I've found something that might be useful. I suppose that before then, I'd like to hear from Alvron about things? I know you're always rather busy, but you've only voted once so far on the four days - and one was a vote you apparently didn't think would have an effect. I'd just like to know why you haven't done anything which has been intended to have a game effect, other than a small amount of discussion. Edited August 7, 2015 by Wyrmhero
Bort he/him Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) I say we give Adamir the benefit of the doubt. For this cycle at least. The rollover for this game is at an odd time (usually ran to US times), so I can see how he may miss it. Also, his post kinda gave the impression that he possibly wouldn't be back, so I say we wait and see what happens. If he is still alive next cycle, we can lynch him then. So it turns out Phattemer was innocent. I can't decide if I'm surprised by that or not. It looked like an Eliminator tactic to sow discontent, but when everyone is discussing the same stuff, and that being our main source of information, I can understand how connections could be seen between players. I have no idea who I'm going to vote for this cycle. For now I'll go with Vauhsoj. He's only voted once (that has counted at least), and that turned out to be the deciding vote that got Smart lynched, and saved Lopen and Phattemer from being randomly rolled for the lynch. The rest of the time, he has been skirting through. Edit: Forgot to colour my vote. Edited August 6, 2015 by Bort
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