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That's a big IF. We don't know what Szeth feels while drawing Nightblood, there is no POV from Szeth with Nightblood, except in the end of WoR, where Nightblood greets him. No feelings are mentioned there, but an instant bonding when he sees Nightblood for the first time doesn't add up for me. Szeth might also be quite saturated with feelings, namely guilt because of all his murders, so he doesn't realize some influence from Nightblood the first time he takes it. What is some nausea when dead people are screaming to you nearly all the time...

As far as I can remember from Warbreaker, pulling Nightblood partially doesn't make him feed on breath/stormlight. So there would be no danger for Szeth doing that. Between the summoning of the Everstorm and Edgedancer lie only some days, the Everstorm just hit the western part of Roshar after rounding the planet. It would be a really quick evolving spren-bond to grant willing access to the surges, though not impossible if Nale ushered Szeth, for example by telling him the Ideals. I think it is unlikely that Szeth already can use stormlight again, though the comments of the other Skybreaker acolytes do hint at it. Also, I don't remember Nightblood granting abilities or being bonded in a Nahel-bond way.

Can't wait for the rest, too! I also read Nale as "Na-le", heard Brandon pronounce it as "nail", but still keep reading him as "Na-le". Brandon somewhere said, that pronounciation is the reader's freedom and so there is no point in arguing about that. We all get what you mean, even when the pronounciation differs from our own. So, looking forward to the next episode.

Thats possible. Spren seem to coexist in Shadesmar and the Physical Realm. But also Parshendi seem to be closer to the CR, indicated how they percieve approaching spren. So a bond with a voidspren gives a warform to the Parshendi (what's singular form for Parshendi?), brings him/himen/heren/her at least partially under Odium's control and perhaps brings the spren to the physical realm, not necessarily 100%, but more than before. Either way, the spren can affect the physical realm with their bonds to (mainly) physical creatures, so that would be the "jump". Travel in Shadesmar should be easy for spren, at least in the local system. Worldhopping might be hindered by problems with Connection to the System the Shard invested in. So the real obstacle for a jump from Braize(assumed) to Roshar would be entering or partially entering the physical realm. I think, the Parshendi song summoning the Everstorm created some kind of bridge from the CR to the PR, enabling many voidspren to (partially) enter Roshar, where they now seek to bond Parshmen to get even more influence (Parshendi who already have a spren, providing a non-warform, might be more resistant to new bonds, the "right" mindset was required for Eshonai to bond the stormspren after all.)

The "guitar guy"...well, is he mentioned in the prose? Have to read again ;-)

The inner sun is a blue-white super-giant star (lifetime only some 10 million years), so there is a lot of UV on dayside, too. The planet would be gravitationally locked to the inner star with the dominating mass, synchronizing eigenrotation with the orbit around the star. The problem with this model: the smaller outer star - a white dwarf (some billion years old) - would not always be visible from Darkside, because it has a much larger orbital period than the planet. So with the planet locked to the inner star, Dayside would sometimes get radiation from both stars while Darkside would be, well, dark. Gravitationally the white dwarf would have only little influence on Taldain since the mass of a super-giant is multiple times (10-50x) the solar mass while a white dwarf has a maximum of 1.44 solar masses. However, that is not how the system is described in AU. So much to physics. Now we have a shard in that system, that acts somewhat strangely compared to its intent, as discussed in another thread. Here my - a little bit silly - proposition: Autonomy/Bavadin is permanently pushing the outer star, so it keeps up with the planet's orbit time and is visible from darkside all the time. That keeps her quite occupied since it costs LOTS of energy. Of course, Taldain could also sit exactly at the center of mass of the binary system, a point of unstable equilibrium. Stabilization via Shard would be "easier" than pushing the white dwarf on its orbit. Another question is: How could a supermassive star form near an old white dwarf - or more likely near a red giant which became a white dwarf not so long ago? Usual star formation happens in cold, dark regions with accumulated matter. - The particulate ring is probably the outer hull of the star which ultimately became the white dwarf, an event that can not be too far in the past, since the ring is still small (smaller than the Taldain system).

Khriss would like to use skycolors for make-up when they go to the ball. What if skycolors are just a kind of dyes that are fluorescant when exposed to uv-light (which comes from the sky on darkside)? I know, boring idea...

Well, what happens when local fauna bond voidspren? I am really excited about the idea of void-chasmfiends. I am also fairly certain that only the spren make the jump to Roshar. The biggest problem for them would be the transition from the Cognitive to the Physical Realm, plus limitations caused by the Oathpact. After all, we haven't seen conventional spacetravel in the Cosmere, yet.

Oh well, close thread.

You were talking about Investiture in the Cognitive Realm on Sel and some analogies to Roshar. I am really not sure, whether Honor's Investiture wasn't pulled into the Cognitive Realm there, too. After all, we don't know, if Surgebinding is restricted to Roshar or not (Elsecalling perhaps not?). Spren - Splinters of the Shards - are said to have cities and stuff in the CR, the Stormfather, essentially Honor's cognitive shadow roams around, and so on. The Highstorms are probably pre-shardic on Roshar, and very certainly pre "Honor is dead", so the Highstorms and their origin might just have been a carrier for the Investiture in the physical realm. Since Highstorms are said to be represented in the Cognitive realm as well (some WoB, but don't know where anymore), in them Investiture can transcend from the CR into the PR (moving perpendicularity?) or the other way around. We'll have to see how massive Highstorms are in the CR, but it might be that most of Honors Investiture is also located in the CR now. Ok, in your Roshar section, you theorized that most of Honors Investiture is in the Highstorm in the physical realm. Wouldn't that make Surgebinding even more localized than the Aon-Dor, so Elsecalling to other planets would get impossible? I kind of like the idea, that every Herald got his own Damnation but I don't think it is likely. Those planets are said to have minimal representation in Shadesmar. At least Talns planet should have a remarkable signature in Shadesmar during the last 4500 years if he were tortured there (Heralds to take their Honorblades with them, if they die, right?)

While rereading Elantris, I took a look at the Aon dictionary and stumbled over the Aon IRE, meaning "Time, Age". Any thoughts about it being connected to the Ire in SH? (Somehow an obvious similarity, so I searched the forum for it and didn't find anything - if there is something I didn't find, just pull this over there.)

Since the vulnerability would be new, Ishar had no way of knowing about it. Kind of reckless strategy: Kill everyone with surgebinding powers, so something that might happen doesn't happen. Definitely not in line with "Journey before Destination". But Heralds are not bound by that, or are they? I see kind of Odiums influence there, like it manifested in Shallan's father - though no emotions are outlined with Ishar. The letter from [Frost?] to [Hoid?] implies that Odium is bound and an equilibrium is reached. So he is bound to the Greater Rosharan system by the actions of Tanavast, wether intended or not. That probably is not in the shards intent, so breaking free by the True Desolation would be in the interest of Odium/Rayse. Also somewhere it is said, that by letting the Rosharans be for a time, instead of fighting regularly, weakened the resistance against Odium. So some more delaying, while saying there is no Desolation coming and stretching FAR to ignore evidence of an upcoming Desolation, fits to that strategm. Perhaps Ishar is just stupid, you can't be a 100% sure at book 2, but still I would put my spheres on him being a traitor.

Meanwhile I read something similar in the compiled WoB. It is indeed the general idea that matters and not the exact wording. So as soon as the spren realizes that the Surgebinder has internalized the Ideal, it should be enough. For Edgedancers it is the third ideal to make the spren physical, Wyndle whines a bit about not wanting to be stuck into people, more or less as a hint for Lift, while it wasn't possible yet. PS. A happy New Year to y'all!

Yeah, seems like only people are transported. Some things made me think otherwise, but the fact that Shallan leaves Bridge 4 or part of it on the Shattered Plains to wait for Kaladin and returns to Urihiru, shows that the room stays there. After Kaladin is back, he uses the Oathgate himself and activates it with Sylblade. The eleventh lamp wil be a RAFO for Oathbringer then…

just saw that you answered while i was answering and taking my time :-) Another thing coming to my mind: For Lift it seems to be enough to internalize the ideals. Wyndle appears as Shard-stick to block Nales Shardblade before she spoke the third ideal, but she thought it or the meaning of it before. So might it be enough to mean the Ideals, for some orders at least, or is this just Lift with her Nightwatcher-awesomeness?

You are totally right, I forgot about the whole plateau of Stormseat vanishing in WoR. To get it back to its position, it needs the "home-button", so 11 it is.

Spot on. The "lamp" in Kholinar is no anomaly, it's just misinterpreted by Vorin religion. Tranquiline Halls "lamp" = Urithiru "lamp". Actually "lamp" here is something like "fabrial gemstone-holder". The ten other positions stand for each Silver Kingdom, though I'd have to read the passages again, With ten Kingdoms plus Urithiru, each Oathgate just needs ten positions, transportation on "self" would be useless. Or just decorative.

It doesn't only make sense in your mind. Nice explanation! Perhaps we can get the sound of some Alethi after all. If it developed phonetically, what similarities to the Thaylen script with a common origin hint to, someone way more able at linguistics than me could crack it. Harakeke, I have trust in you !

Quite sharp answer, on the point: Rereading Arclos wording is quite ominous and reminded me of the blurb on WoK: "We watch the others. The assassin. The surgeon. The liar. The highprince. But not you." Axies is a Siah Aimian, the ones with blue nails and crystalline deep blue eyes, who can change their appearance (including writings on the skin). Arclo: "I can pass for human almost as well as a Siah can these days,..." - Siah Aimians still cast shadows in the wrong way, see Axies interlude in WoK. Dysian Aimians are mentioned first by Wit to Dalinar in WoK: "I wonder if you could do that to a man. Pull him apart, emoton by emotion, bit by bit, bloody chunk by bloody chunk. Then combine them back together into something else, like a Dysian Aimian." I don't know if there is more about them in WoR, since I have only the hardcover version (e-books are so much easier to search). Until Oathbringer is available, another reread of WoR will be possible, though. Now the question is: Are all sleepless Dysian Aimians, or are there other kinds?

Arclo the sleepless it is. Aimian seems to fit since he speaks of "old Axies". Though it wasn't obvious to me that they are hive beings. Back to the Skybreakers: In the Postscript, Brandon mentions that at least Nalan was working against the return of radiants for centuries: So why surround himself just recently with apprentices and not all the time? There must have been the odd surgebinder once in a while, even if the appearance has multiplied only recently. Otherwise I can not imagine him staying focussed so long on that task. The economic way would have been to take the people attracting Highspren as apprentices to build a network of spies. Even as Herald there is no way he would have found every upcoming surgebinder on Roshar. Together with the other hints, I think we can be fairly certain that the Skybreakers existed all the time in hiding and took up the task on or shortly afte the Day of Recreance. My point in mentioning Helaran was not necessarily the shardblade, but the fact that he went on a quest to find the order of Skybreakers. There must have been rumours or legends in rural Vedenar which had some seed of truth in them. On that quest he found a group mighty enough to provide a shardblade - probably not a dead Highspren. Nalan wouldn't have issues using dead spren of another type. He also gives Nightblood to Szeth who hasn't attracted a spren yet. (perhaps the afterimage in Edgedancer hints to a new spren?) So it wouldn't be out of character to give Helaran a dead shardblade until he found himself a spren. There are enough shardblades not accounted for...

One more fact I wasn't aware of before Edgedancer: There are hive-beings on Roshar. (Lets call it the cremling-man for now, at least until i finish my reread or someone corrects me. Was just foreshadowed by strange behaving, nearly clever cremlings.

Nale recruiting on one hand and killing upcoming Surgebinders for feeble reasons out of fear that they might trigger a desolation on the other hand doesn't add up for me. Also, Helaran goes quite early in Shallans flashbacks on his search for the Skybreakers. This could be just a "fake" organization, or the real thing. So It is most likely that the Skybreakers existed all the time.

Another fact: Skybreakers are the order that did not disband at the Day of Recreance: Initiate of Skybreakers in Edgedancer says: "I mean, shouldn't we want them to return, so we won't be the only order of Knights Radiant?" Being guided by Nalan would imply that the Skybreakers existed all along.

Somewhere in this thread I read about the analogy between Glyphs/Thaylen and Chinese/Korean. On some Youtube-Video I saw Brandon mentioning the invention of Korean script and its advantages of being much easier than Chinese. The essence of it is, that Chinese has a symbol for a syllable/word and cannot be read phonetically, while the Korean script is phonetically and can be learned quickly. I don't remember if that video was of a book signing or one of Brandons BYU lectures and I only have the rough ideas in mind. The "easy" Thaylen script is deciphered, whereas Glyphs might have different symbols for words, which are not phonetical. So the shape of the "bridge" glyph wouldn't give us a hint of the Alethi pronounciation of the Alethi word for "bridge".

Where does that information come from? Until now I haven't seen an indication that physical closeness matters. Perhaps Syl's fear to lose herself while going away from Kaladin in WoK might be a hint, but that was before Kaladin even spoke the First Ideal. Shallan can attach illusions on Pattern and let him move around, without losing the Nahel bond (I think of the scene where Shallan hides in a building and Pattern approaches the tree outside).