Pattern

Concerning Numbered Key Cipher: I see a problem with cipherlenght, largest number in cipher and resulting key-lenght: I read about solving Numbered Key Ciphers: https://sites.google.com/site/bionspot/solving-a-numbered-key-cipher In our code we have 154 digits =77 doublets. The largest number is 93, means the length of the keyed alphabet is 93+1=94 ( 1 for 00). Expected number of blanks: approx. 6 results in estimated keylenght: 94-6=88. The key would likely be longer than our plaintext message consisting of 77 doublets. Does that make sense, or did I misunderstand something?

Good morning everybody - I see, you were busy while I slept. Don't stick to much to abundances. We have a very short sample here, and some epigraphs contain "insane" phrases like "WhereWhereWhere". Letter combination "Wh" could be much more abundant than statistically predicted, if there are many questions in this piece of coded text. who, where, why ... Considering double letters: letters can be double or the ending of one word and the beginning of another. Capitals: Outsch, yes. There are capital letters in the other epigraphs. That gives us the possibility to assign two different numbers to one letter, if needed to make sense. One for minor, one for capital letter. I suspect for the moment our 111s as "wh" - so I will split them up as 1 -11 making 1=w and 11=h. (doing 11-1 would just swap, could be neccessary for isolated 11) Having told that, I play around. Here the link again, for all those of you who don't want to use pen and paper or program by yourself: http://cryptoclub.org/tools/cracksub_topframe.php Edit: http://home.comcast.net/~acabion/numb_pairs_extended.html (from harakeke) - This could also be useful to solve a substitution cipher. Enter a guessed word as crib and rotate it through. I am again stuck with the assumtion above. But I realized how many possibilities there are to split numbers. 1118251011 alone could be 11-18-25-10-11; 1-11-8-25-10-11, 11-1-8-25-10-11,11-1-8-2-5-10-11, and so on. Brute force probably won't help us, so we need somebody with good intuition. First let's look, which numbers must stick together/stand alone and represent a letter. 1118-25-10-1112-7-124-9-15-12-10-10-1114-10-215-117-112-10-111217-13- 4-4-8-3-11-10-7-15-1425-4-14-3-4-10-9-16-14-9-14-9-3-4-121225-4-10-10-125- 12-7-10-15-19-10-11123-4-125-5-115-25-1215-7-5-5-11123-4-10-1112-9-1512-10-6-15-3-4 10, because every 0 is preceded by a 1, so 0 alone does not exist. 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, because concatted with number before or after yields number larger than 25(26) - after 3-9 because doublet would be larger than 25(26) So, lets go on with this...

Ok, it gets late - I will continue puzzeling tomorrow, as long as it is not solved until then. Good luck!!

I keep on working with Latin alphabet, the rest of the epigraphs is written in it (there are c's). Otherwise, the Diagram is not written in Alethi but in an invented language,which is more accurate (see T's interlude). To go there would render it unsolvable. Combination 26 does not occur, diphtongs would be a problem with existing tools.

Thanks for counting the numbers! This distribution hints to substituting doublets with letters. Using latin alphabet (I don't know Alethi) we would get a "natural" table 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 A B C D E F G H I J 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 K L M N O P Q R S T 21 22 23 24 25 26 U V W X Y Z starting with 1 and ending with 26 or 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F G H I J 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 K L M N O P Q R S T 20 21 22 23 24 25 U V W X Y Z starting with 0 and ending with 25. These still can be permutated. But what you see is, that 1 should be abundant, since it appears with 12 letters (of 26), while the other numbers are much rarer. The fact that a 0 is always preceded by a 1 hints to a numbering from 1 to 26 and not from 0 to 25, although one cannot be sure about it. If we take the doublet 10 then, it appeares 12 times, which is not too often for an abundant letter like "e" or "t". Then there are my favourites 111 - are they 1 11 or 11 1 or something else entirely (embedded in numbers)? Another ambiguity: 25 for example can be "25" or "2" - "5" Trying to keep all 10s, I try decomposition: 1 11 8 25 10 1 11 2 7 12 4 9 15 12 10 10 1 11 4 10 21 5 11 7 11 2 10 11 12 17 13 4 4 8 3 11 10 7 15 14 25 4 14 3 4 10 9 16 14 9 14 9 3 4 12 12 25 4 10 10 12 5 12 7 10 15 19 10 1 11 23 4 12 5 5 11 5 2 5 12 15 7 5 5 11 1 23 4 10 11 12 9 15 12 10 6 15 3 4 Mind, i split some numbers up arbitrarily - will have to puzzle a bit...I have found a nice tool (but still no result): http://cryptoclub.org/tools/cracksub_topframe.php

Thanks for this nice compilation. I have copied the part concerning the diagram to http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6398-wor-chapter-84-code/ for further use there

AhbuttheywereleftbehindItisobviousfromthenatureofthebondButwherewherewhereSetoffObviousRealizationlikeapricity TheyarewiththeShinWemustfindoneCanwemaketouseaTruthlessCanwecraftaweapon - From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the first TherehastobeananswerWhatistheanswerStopTheParshendiOneofthemYestheyarethemissingpiecePushfortheAlethi todestroythemoutrightbeforethisoneobtainstheirpowerItwillformabridge - From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: Paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the second These lines would have been mingled in the Diagram like AThhbeurtethhaesytwoebreealneafnts....looks very gibberish, but isn't. Perhaps this has to be applied to decoded 11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713 44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125 1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151 21061534

Well, I have found Compiled epigraphs. Thanks to Tarion. I paste them here, so we have all the stuff together: They will come you cannot stop their oaths look for those who survive when they should not that pattern will be your clue - From the Diagram, Coda of the Northwest Bottom Corner: paragraph 3 One danger in deploying such a potent weapon will be the potential encouragement of those exploring the Nahel bond. Care must be taken to avoid placing these subjects in situtions of powerful stress unless you accept consequences of their potential Investiture. - From the Diagram, Floorboard 27: paragraph 6 AhbuttheywereleftbehindItisobviousfromthenatureofthebondButwherewherewhereSetoffObviousRealizationlikeapricity TheyarewiththeShinWemustfindoneCanwemaketouseaTruthlessCanwecraftaweapon - From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the first Q: For what essential must we strive? A: The essential of preservation, to shelter a seeds of humanity through the coming storm Q: What cost must we bear? A: The cost is irrelevant. Mankind must survive. Our burden is that of the species, and all other considerations are but dust by comparison. - From the Diagram, Catechism of the Back of the Flowered Painting: paragraph 1 You must become king. Of Everything. - From the Diagram, Tenets of Instruction, Back of the Footboard: paragraph 1 The Unmade are a deviation, a flair, a conundrum that may not be worth your time. You cannot help but think of them. They are fascinating. Many are mindless. Like the spren of human emotions, only much more nasty. I do believe a few can think, however. - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 14 There is one you will watch. Though all of them have some relevance to precognition, Moelach is one of the most powerful in this regard. His touch seeps into a soul as it breaks apart from the body, creating manifestations powered by the spark of death itself. But no, this is a distraction. Deviation. Kingship. We must discuss the nature of kingship. - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 15 Obviously they are fools The Desolation needs no usher It can and will sit where it wishes and the signs are obvious that the spren anticipate it doing so soon The Ancient of Stones must finally begin to crack It is a wonder that upon his will rested the prosperity and peace of a world for over four millennia - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Ceiling Rotation: pattern 1 11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713 44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125 1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151 21061534 - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Ceiling Rotation: pattern 15 But who is the wanderer, the wild piece, the one who makes no sense? I glimpse at his implications, and the world opens to me. I shy back. Impossible. Is it? - From the Diagram, West Wall Psalm of Wonders: paragraph 8 (Notew by Adrotagia: Could this refer to Mraize?) One is most certainly a traitor to the others - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 27 Chaos in Alethkar is, of course, inevitable. Watch carefully, and do not let power in the kingdom solidify. The Blackthorn could become an ally or our greatest foe, depending on whether he takes the path of the warlord or not. If he seems likely to sue for peace, assassinate him expeditiously. The risk of competition is too great. - From the Diagram, Writings upon the Bedstand Lamp: paragraph 4 (Adrotagia’s 3rd translation from the original hieroglyphics) 1173090605 1173090801 1173090901 1173091001 1173091004 1173100105 1173100205 1173100401 1173100603 1173100804 - From the Diagram, North Wall Coda, Windowsill region: paragraph 2 (This appears to be a sequence of dates, but their relevance is as yet unknown) TherehastobeananswerWhatistheanswerStopTheParshendiOneofthemYestheyarethemissingpiecePushfortheAlethito destroythemoutrightbeforethisoneobtainstheirpowerItwillformabridge - From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: Paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the second

It is from the diagram - written on Mr. T's day of brilliance. Which leaves us any possibility.

Ok, I've tried substitution quite a while now and got nothing. One problem is the non-unique way I splitted up the sequence to numbers from 01 to 26. One could also take doublets and take the number modulo 26.

I try a statistical approach. I split up the sequence so, that numbers can be identified with a letter - that is numbers between 1 and 26, with 1 represented by 01 once. There I need some help, since English is not my mother tongue - i am not familiar with relative abundance of letters in an English text. 11 18 25 10 11 12 7 12 4 9 15 12 10 10 11 14 10 21 5 11 7 11 21 01 11 21 7 13 4 4 8 3 11 10 7 15 14 25 4 1 4 3 4 10 9 16 14 9 14 9 3 4 12 12 25 4 10 10 12 5 12 7 10 15 19 10 11 12 3 4 12 5 5 11 5 25 12 15 7 5 5 11 12 3 4 10 11 12 9 15 12 10 6 15 3 4

Obviouslytheyarefools (21) TheDesolationneedsnousher(25) Itcanandwillsitwhereitwishesandthesignsareobviousthatthesprenanticipateitdoingsosoon (84) TheAncientofStonesmustfinallybegintocrack (41) Itisawonderthatuponhiswillrestedtheprosperityandpeaceofaworldforoverfourmillennia (83) = 254 letters taking them and the numbers from the code (154 digits) plus the ten given "dates" (another 100 digits) could bring something - i dont know what. Identifying would bring no further information, so that's probably a dead end. dates: 1173090605 1173090801 1173090901 1173091001 1173091004 1173100105 1173100205 1173100401 1173100603 1173100804 perhaps these dates can be used as a key

yeah, but the long 5th block confuses me...

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713 44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125127 10151910111234125511525121575511123410111291512106 1534 154 digits - if you want to build equal blocks - 154=2*7*11 lets look what happens - nothing good

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713 44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125 1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151 21061534 is the actual code - there were one or two digits wrong. Nonetheless i cannot make any sense in this at the moment. I have tried to sort it in date format like 1118251011 - and so on, but that gave nothing... Edit: I made a summary, found in post Nr. 302

I collected the chapter headings of part 4, which seem to make an answering letter to the letter from Way of Kings. So, what do you think of it? Who is right? Hoid oder Mr. X?

Nightblood. That could be an answer...

Probably without Honor, since Honor was killed by Odium and the spren are splinters of him. Otherwise the blood colors of Humans, Parshendi and fauna of Roshar should give a hint. It would have been red, orange and violet, I believe - some rereading is neccessary. Assuming the fauna is aboriginal with violet blood, the Parshendi could have followed to Roshar - or evolved with orange blood. They are called the old people somewhere - I cannot find the source at the moment (ebook would be helpful). So it is quite sure, that the Parshendi were on Roshar before the humans arrived. Humans with their red blood obviously have a different origin than the rest of Roshar. Considering the unroshar nature of Shinovar, there could be the seed of human colonization of Roshar.

Upholding the Oathpact would have meant returning to whereever the Herolds went after a desolation (Braize??). Just taking back the Honorblade wouldn't have done it. None the less, Nalan's Honorblade could have been taken be a Knight Radiant of the Skybreakers before the rest was protected by the shamans of Shinovar.

Windrunner, that looks good. Very good. Where is the rest of the Heralds . Nalan as a Herald has abondoned the Oathpact together with the other 8 Heralds (Prologue Way of Kings) - Why would his Order of Radiants not do the same? Despite these questions I think you are right.

No, I haven't read Brandon's short stories - I am a fan of epic books. Everything that takes less than 6 hours to read is somewhat a "snack" for me. Even novellas leave the feeling of "Oh that's the end, it just began...." Am I excited for Words of Radiance? Well I waited long for it, and waiting was rewarded abundantly. I will reread The Way of Kings and Words of Radiance during the next week, because I am excited to ask questions and to contribute some ideas to theories about all that stuff, thats been revealed. Somehow have to refill my mind with early information and countercheck with all the great stuff from Words of Radiance. For now I will wait, so I won't spoil anything for you. Read and Enjoy! And think of a compensation for you friends/relatives, perhaps you will be unavailable for some time ;-)

Words of Radiance should be available in Australia at the same time - got it in Germany on February 26th - after preordering it half a year ago or so...

Hi everybody, I am new to 17th Shard and looking forward to discuss Cosmere theories, especially concerning Stormlight Archive. I came to Brandon Sanderson books via The Wheel of Time series, after liking his ending the series. Having read WoK afterwards, I was left with a little confusion especially due to the letter in chapter headings, so I bought other Cosmere books. At this point I have read Mistborn-Trilogy, Alloy of Law, Elantris, Warbreaker, The Way of Kings and Words of Radiance - yes, I had early delivery in Germany, the Almighty knows why ;-) Without spoiling anything - I chose Pattern as my account name, since Pattern is my favourite in Stormlight so far - well excepting the main characters. So, thats it for now. Have to reread a little...

Hi Gaz, nice to meet you. I am a new member, too. There is a pattern...