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Haha, well, there may soon be some difficulty binding it into one volume. He's already split into two volumes for longer languages, such as German.

That first one really doesn't imply that the Oathpact wasn't aimed at countering Odium, just that it wasn't the thing that directly achieved trapping him. It could still have been formed with trapping him being one of its aims.

Do we know that by WoB? I was unfamiliar with that fact.

That WoB relates to leeching Metalminds away, not to compounders burning metalminds, so I'm not exactly sure it would apply to modifying the allomantic burn rate, however you've definitely got the rest of the principles right there. There's certainly an argument that metalminds could burn a little slower than uninvested metals based on that, but absent any evidence, it seems reasonable to conclude that the allomantic burn rate would be a base rate that metalminds burn. (That may not necessarily be true, as for instance Connection may burn slower than allomantic duralumin, not being an Enhancement power)

Well, if you're using WoR scenes, they're Stormlight Archive trailers as opposed to WoK trailers. I think your way makes just as much sense, and honestly, there is enough to get started with both visually and script-wise using WoK scenes.

That's also a fair point, and is demonstrated pretty well by him changing his mind about RAFOing some questions even though no books relevant to the subject have been released in the meantime. (eg. when we found out Autonomy's Intent)

OK, after a little searching, I found a WoB that suggests that the pool on First of the Sun isn't a perpendicularity, but doesn't outright confirm either way: That's not to say it can't be used for worldhopping, perhaps with more difficulty, but it sounds like whatever the pool is, he may want to reserve the term Perpendicularity for Shards.

There is some interesting stuff in the Mistborn RPG materials that's possibly non-canon about it being used somewhat analogously to Charisma in D&D- it's a sense of innate will and of what your personality is, so it can be useful to stop yourself from being persuaded out of your values, or even to argue more effectively. They give an example of a trueself politician as one of the characters for the Alloy of Law supplement, iirc. Now, as we saw with the Final Empire, some of their stuff is non-canon and wrong because Brandon didn't want to spoil things and so let them make up a power that seemed reasonable. (for example, Investiture in the Final Empire game is completely different to how it actually functions as of BoM) As such, they could easily be off about Aluminium ferrings, but it's worth looking at to give you an idea of what it could be, anyway.

Yeah, I'm with Goody here that Sazed has probably moved Ruin's perpendicularity, and thus the relevance of Era 2 Book 4's title. The only way to "safely" stash away a part of Ruin is either as Atium or as dark Mists. Either way, you potentially risk someone burning it, which could still end up having some pretty Ruinous effects.

Well I think then we need to chalk this up to irreconcilable differences in philosophy in terms of judging him as he is now, as you're cheerily judging him by his best characteristics and putting the murder aside until we see more, and I'm taking the view that those issues of disposition kinda have to be put to one side until his worst actions are dealt with because they're so serious. His personality doesn't "go away," as a factor, but he has to demonstrate that he's got his mind in a place where future murders are out of the question before I would be willing to start judging him on that basis again, no matter who he was, and even though I admittedly like him. If he had actually broken down or visibly panicked, this might be a different conversation where he had earned some more benefit of the doubt, but right now I would say any reasonable person has right to be skeptical of Adolin's character until said repentance is demonstrated, and thus revoke overly positive labels. Hot blood is a mitigating factor, sure, but not much of one for murder, which you are expected to avoid always, no matter what. It would be more reasonable to talk about that if he had punched someone, because at least that damage will generally heal. At least we agree though that he needs to put in some hard yards to redeem himself before we go around parading him as a paragon of virtue, so I guess we'll stick to that going forward. The thing that really disturbs me here is that this sort of conversation gets dangerously close to the ways that people go around "justifying" or "forgiving" rapists before they've demonstrated any change in their character, which I hope we all agree is wrong, and I don't see how we can fail to treat murder just as seriously.

To be fair to Shallan, I'm pretty sure Kaladin's disposition suggests that his family life was horrible. But yeah, in general I agree they both went way too far and made dumb assumptions about each other. To be honest I really hope their interaction stays similarly fraught, it's a good dynamic for them and demonstrates exactly why their Spren also have so much tension.

The thing is, a "nice guy" doesn't just talk about how pleasant of a person you are to be around. It's also a judge of character, that you will interact with people on a positive basis. You can't apply that to someone willing to commit murder, even if they had good and sufficient reasons for doing so in the moment. It's interesting that you're so focused on what's going on inside his head, as my philosophy on this is that his actions are far more relevant, hence why I find hiding the body to be not a good sign regardless of what his mental state in doing so is. You can rationalise something all you like, but motive isn't really provable in the end, and only matters if it's demonstrated in the context of later actions in my book. I would absolutely say that hiding the body indicates that he isn't yet repentant. I'm not ruling it out in the future, just saying that "this is not the Adolin we have on our hands at the moment." To move on from committing a crime like that you need to take responsibility for it. Like Shallan, Adolin hasn't done that yet. Neither of them are, IMO, nice people if they are lying to themselves this way, because it allows them (mentally allows, I mean) to do some very scary things in the future without admitting responsibility, too. Now, could Adolin repent in the future and make things all rainbows and marshmallows again? Absolutely. But Adolin isn't there yet. He's still the guy who just killed sadeas in a rage, then calmly threw his sword away and cut off his shirt cuffs with no internal or external dialogue to speak of. (Granted, point taken that we may have simply been zoomed out of his head and not seeing it, but regardless, these are the acts of someone who is either calculating, or in some flavour of denial, both of which back up my point) That guy isn't uncomplicatedly "nice," and it really does disturb me that I'm having a conversation in which some of us are defending him before we see where he goes in the future. Right now, he has work to be done before he can ever be nice again. Who he is at the moment is categorically not a "nice guy," regardless of what inherent traits he has, because those aren't what's relevant to judging someone. Rather, it is their actions and how they take responsibility for them in the future.

You need to re-read that quote, Yata, he's pretty clear that there is something going on over time, as he caveats it with "they're not specifically invested" when they're not using their power, and then goes on to compare how invested mistborn are to Knights Radiant. So they definitely are invested, and I didn't really care whether it was when they were actively using their powers or not, because they are still invested some of the time, which is all I claimed. The twisting of the spirit web you talk about sounds exactly like the kinda thing that Brandon was talking about earlier when he mentioned "residual investiture" and "expanding your soul." in terms of Splinters. Oh look, here we are, back on a continuum again, even if you don't want to call them "invested." In Way of Kings Hoid seems very dubious about recombining Adonalsium, and his imagery is pretty similar to Frankenstein's monster, a being reassembled from parts. I mean, it's possible he's trying to talk himself out of it, I suppose, but I would guess he has other long-term goals at this stage. (such as opposing Rayse and/or Bavadin specifically)

It absolutely is established that he is currently unrepentant. You know how I know that? Because people who are disturbed by a murder they committed don't hide the body! He may yet be repentant in the future, that's true. Arguably Sadeas even needed to be murdered, I would agree with that. But it shows you how empty the comment "he's a nice guy" really is when we're sitting here arguing if it applies to someone who murdered a dude then, in cold blood, hid the body. There are many similar instances of people in real life making the same comments in similarly ethically fraught circumstances. I'm sorry, but you don't get to go around claiming you're a "nice guy" if you're in the murder business, that's waaaaaaay too large an asterix. Now, do I think he's wrong for Shallan because of this? Absolutely not. They're both murderers who are actively concealing at least one of their kills now. They can bond over it when they get married and have light-haired kids.

Brandon has RAFOed things before for various reasons. That tells us either it's important or he thinks it serves as a decent misdirection so that we don't go getting too hung up about something being important every time it gets RAFOed. It's important that other evidence like this gets collected to back up why you're reading something into his RAFO.

You do realise that you just called an unrepentant murderer a "nice guy," right? I mean, I agree with you that Shalladin should hit an iceberg or something, but come on. Adolin has more to him than being just a cheery extrovert, it's the reason he's a viewpoint character at all. I mean, sure, he has a sunnier disposition, but Adolin has his own dark side and all. He's not a "nice guy" in anything but the Nice Guy™ branding kind of way.

If so, we'd expect Lift's Spren Wyndle to be easily visible to everyone, given that it's a "Cultivationspren" in the same way that Syl is an Honourspren. Instead, Pattern is easily visible and nobody really notices either Wyndle or Syl. Definitely a good point that Something Might Be Wrong that Rock hangs out with Bridge 4 and didn't notice about Renarin.

I don't think anyone's taking that for a given, but it is the name everyone knows that chart by, lol. The thing I find significant is the border fading to blue the further down the image you go. Yeah, it could mean they're complementary to the Radiant surges, or that they're achieved by different means, or that they're completely opposite. Nobody really has a clue at this stage.

Fine, I'll repeat myself: (emphasis mine) How are Lerasium Mistborn closer to being a sliver than Mistings if having allomantic powers doesn't mean you've been further Invested than people are innately? Brandon isn't just telling us here that being a Sliver is part of a continuum, he's saying that people who are Initiated with magic are more invested than your average human is. As for Secret History, yes, the protagonist can't tell anything special about Mistborn or Feruchemists just by looking at them from the Cognitive Realm. But you'll note that Mistborn and Feruchemists "hang around" longer in a certain situation. (seeing we're trying to stay light on M:SH spoilers) And Slivers hang around even longer still. Hmmm... it's almost like they're both more invested than your average person, huh?

You're technically right in that you need investiture to even be alive in the Cosmere, effectively, but I'm pretty sure Drabs don't have anything beyond that. Go back and read my first post on the thread in regards to having access to a magic system getting you closer to being a Sliver. Brandon compares Mistings with Mistborn. As to how a Splinter can have more Investiture than a Sliver, compare TLR post-ascension to the Stormfather. TLR is a Sliver, but I'd say he's significantly less invested than the Stormfather is. Likewise, you could compare a Seon to Vin before she released the power at the Well, and you'd get the opposite result, so it's kinda iffy where on that scale each of those show up because they cover a wide range of states. And yes, Hoid would have to lose some of his power for the residual effect to be present and for him to be considered a Sliver at that point. (the easiest way would be to spend the Breath in a way that's non-recoverable, but I suppose there might be other ways too) What I was saying is that he might have close to enough power for that already, we really don't know where the goalposts are or how to measure with the information we've got. Please read the WoB I quoted earlier that directly contradicts what you're claiming. A Mistborn is more invested than a Misting, and a Misting is more invested than an innate human.

Brandon implies that being a Sliver is a step on a continuum from being someone like a Drab, with no investiture at all, to someone with innate investiture, to those who are actually Initiated into a magic system, to those with more potent or complicated powers, (ie. a Knight Radiant, who has two surges, or a Lerasium Mistborn, who is closer to being a Sliver) to Slivers/Splinters, (which can each vary in power and could be above or below each other on the spectrum, depending) to Shards themselves, to hybrid Shards like Harmony. Hoid might not even need much more investiture to be considered a permanent Sliver, if he's used the lerasium nugget somehow to gain allomantic and maybe also feruchemical powers in addition to the yolish variant of Lightweaving we know he has from the Liar preview, and he has implied he has perfect pitch, which likely means he holds a fair amount of breaths, too. Remember you're a Sliver of Adonalsium even if you become a Sliver purely by holding Preservation's powers that banked up over millenia in his Perpendicularity, so it doesn't matter how many Shards you sample so much as what your total level of investiture is, and has it "stretched your soul" sufficiently that people like Khriss who study this stuff would deem you a Sliver.

Dominion is absolutely about domination. It's not a weird linguistic coincidence that the words sound similar, they're both based on the same Latin root, but one comes from the verb, and another comes from the noun for "lord." Dominion is a legalised, monarchy-centred system through which domination is expressed. Shu-Dereth's system of unity through heirarchical obediance is a dead-ringer for a religion based on Dominion's philosophy. That said, I think you're misinterpretting @Spoolofwhool, my understanding was that they were claiming that Domi is based on Devotion, and citing the meaning of Aon Omi being a synonym for the Shard's Intent, which I absolutely agree with.

I'm pretty sure Innate Investiture was the term Brandon used for First of the Sun. Let me check. ... Nope, you guys are right in fact, here is the WoB: (Sourced from Theoryland) Let me trawl a bit and find the correct term, I know the WoB I want but it doesn't have easily searchable terms iirc. ... (20 minutes later lol) Here we go! Found it through a dragnet search for "investiture." The term is ambient or inherent investiture. (you can see why I confused it with "innate" I hope!)

I think the difference is that Adolin's friendships are superficial, wheras Kaladin's are real. Adolin is finding out, like Kaladin already knows, that most other lighteyes are superficial and not worth knowing, lol. I think we probably have a pretty similar perspective on this, just that I'm not as bothered by it, knowing there are eight books for Adolin to build deep relationships. He's one of those extraverts that isolates himself with friends that don't really relate to him and needs to "find himself" by making new connections. It's on of the reasons that like you I'm shipping him and Shallan, I want them at minimum to be besties if not actually get married.

Adolin has had a lot of focus on him. I'm not sure that we've been reading the same book, lol. I didn't find him under-developed either. In fact, it felt a lot as if he actually was witholding information despite being an extrovert, but we'll see. He has plenty of potential for interesting character development from here.